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King Edward VIII and Hitler could have been a dream-team. 13 Jun 2018 05:12 #181

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Well why did the German's ( not DuPont) invent synthetic oil ?

Out of necessity. The Axis was notoriously lean in oil. Only Italian-occupied Libya produced a decent amount, but the majority was under Allied and Commie control. It was one of the main reasons behind the "Anschluss"; access to the Vienna Basin fields and also behind the move southeast; Pannonian Basin and especially Romania and southwest; Paris and Aquitaine Basins.

To circumvent the dependence slightly, the engineers had to come up with an alternative.

And yes, German engineering doesn't need any more feathers up the Loch; they were and are great.
Hitler wasn't anti ( honest ) capitalism - he was anti communist - it was German brain power in those companies , not American .

The Nazi/Third Reich project indeed wasn't "anti-""""capitalist""""" at all. The Axis powers were even the inventors of what we have today; cRapitalism, aka corporatism.

Of course the Commie commanders were no less of a fan of that. Their horrible communism was just for the 99% commoners, the apparatchiks were living "The American Dream" to the max.

That is the whole point; once you can discern propaganda (empty words, no or even contrary actions) from the real actions the whole puppet show falls flat on its face.

On a minor level exactly what """your""" president has displayed in his first 1.5 years "in office". Posing as the anti-establishment guy, tricking millions of people in believing him and then dropping them like a bag of heavy stones not needed anymore.

In the Third Reich you even had a Minister for that task, the shameless student of Eddy Bernays, Jewseph Goebbels, married to ex-"BMW"-(((Quandt))) Magda...

It has never been, isn't today and will not be in the foreseeable future "ideology X versus ideology Y", yet the propagandists of Ideology Whatever versus us, the common people. All the rest is just theater.
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King Edward VIII and Hitler could have been a dream-team. 13 Jun 2018 14:38 #182

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Hitler wasn't anti ( honest ) capitalism - he was anti communist - it was German brain power in those companies , not American .

Lizzy... could you look something up before you make certain remarks pls?



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King Edward VIII and Hitler could have been a dream-team. 13 Jun 2018 15:12 #183

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I think this is telling about the Duke of Windsor's character.

The Archbishop of Canterbury, Cosmo Gordon Lang, the head of the Protestant Church at the time of the abdication::

"Lang believed that, as Prince of Wales, Edward had not always been wise in his choice of friends and acquaintances, whose standards Lang was later to condemn as "alien to all the best instincts and traditions of his people" The Duke of Windsor wasn't a friend of Hitler afaik at that time, but the Duke was surrounded by Jews.

The archbishop had been aware for some time of the king's relationship with the American Wallis Simpson, then married to her second husband Ernest Simpson (Jewish). In mid-1936 it became clear that the king intended to marry Simpson either before or shortly after his impending coronation, depending on the timing of her divorce from her husband. Lang agonised over whether he could, with good conscience, administer the Coronation Oath to the king in such circumstances, bearing in mind the Church's teaching on marriage. He confided to his diary his hopes that circumstances might change, or that he might be able to persuade the king to reconsider his actions, but the king refused to meet him Lockhart, pp. 396–401

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King Edward VIII and Hitler could have been a dream-team. 13 Jun 2018 15:45 #184

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Hitler wasn't anti ( honest ) capitalism - he was anti communist - it was German brain power in those companies , not American .

Lizzy... could you look something up before you make certain remarks pls?




H. meant big monopolistic CAPITALISM and the BANKS not the local butcher, baker ,that's what I meant . perhaps the brewery and brick-works went under the State but in Russia you couldn;t even run a corner store .
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King Edward VIII and Hitler could have been a dream-team. 13 Jun 2018 21:54 #185

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Big monopolistic capitalism is corporatism..a fascist ideology from Mussolini "oops" doesnt quite fit the script does it?
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King Edward VIII and Hitler could have been a dream-team. 13 Jun 2018 21:59 #186

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Yes Nazi Germany was the originator of the EU idea Zorro.

Oswald Mosley was big into this idea also.

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King Edward VIII and Hitler could have been a dream-team. 13 Jun 2018 22:09 #187

You're talking rubbish, porridge, I'm afraid. You may well get away with peddling and repeating that kind of shallow rubbish to the ill researched, but not on anybody who's well researched on these topics. Not a chance. The word corporation also meant something entirely different in Benito Mussolini's fascist Italy, to it's meaning today. There's also a translation issue there. Though I wouldn't expect the ignorant to understand that.
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King Edward VIII and Hitler could have been a dream-team. 13 Jun 2018 22:31 #188

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Corporate statism aka Corporatism is the merger of corporations & state...spin that however you like. :joker:
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King Edward VIII and Hitler could have been a dream-team. 13 Jun 2018 22:32 #189

Fascism is not the merger of government and corporations, at least not in the sense that the less educated misunderstand it.

Benito Mussolini, is quoted as saying, “Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power.” However, The Italian word Mussolini used was corporazione, which means guild, not corporation.

Fascism according to the man who defined the concept, Mussolini, means that members of guilds had full liability, whereas modern 'too big to fail' corporations have limited liability. whereby the private assets and actions of Bankers and CEO's are almost immune from civil suits or prosecution for immoral business practices or ethics,.Which is infarct in direct contrast to guilds (which Benito Mussolini,was referring to) whereby members were personally responsible and liable to prosecution for immoral business practices or ethics. That's basically fascism in a nutshell. Not the utter horse shit the likes of Gerald Celente et al try and tell you it is.
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King Edward VIII and Hitler could have been a dream-team. 13 Jun 2018 22:44 #190

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However, The Italian word Mussolini used was corporazione, which means guild, not corporation.
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A guild is a corporation.
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King Edward VIII and Hitler could have been a dream-team. 13 Jun 2018 23:01 #191

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check this translation of fascist doctrine out - www.worldfuturefund.org/wffmaster/reading/germany/mussolini.htm - objectively.

mention of guild:

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No individuals or groups (political parties, cultural associations, economic unions, social classes) outside the State (15). Fascism is therefore opposed to Socialism to which unity within the State (which amalgamates classes into a single economic and ethical reality) is unknown, and which sees in history nothing but the class struggle. Fascism is likewise opposed to trade unionism as a class weapon. But when brought within the orbit of the State, Fascism recognizes the real needs which gave rise to socialism and trade unionism, giving them due weight in the guild or corporative system in which divergent interests are coordinated and harmonized in the unity of the State (16).

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If the bourgeoisie - I then said - believe that they have found in us their lightening-conductors, they arc mistaken. We must go towards the people... We wish the working classes to accustom themselves to the responsibilities of management so that they may realize that it is no easy matter to run a business... We will fight both technical and spiritual rear-guirdism... Now that the succession of the re­gime is open we must not be fainthearted. We must rush forward; if the present regime is to be superseded we must take its place. The right of succession is ours, for we urged the country to enter the war and we led it to victory... The existing forms of political representation cannot satisfy us; we want direst representation of the several interests... It may be objected that this program implies a return to the guilds (corporazioni). No matter!. I therefore hope this assembly will accept the economic claims advanced by national syndicalism …

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Is it not strange that from the very first day, at Piazza San Sepolcro, the word "guild" (corporazione) was pronounced, a word which, as the Revolution developed, was to express one of the basic legislative and social creations of the regime?
a bit vaque to me tbh tho i previously understood the word to mean guild.

Probably needs further research.


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King Edward VIII and Hitler could have been a dream-team. 13 Jun 2018 23:25 #192

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Zorro wrote:
However, The Italian word Mussolini used was corporazione, which means guild, not corporation.
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A guild is a corporation.

Not in the modern day sense of the meaning of the word corporation, it isn't. You weren't listening were you. The word corporation meant something completely different back in Mussolini's day. Back in Mussolini's day a guild meant a medieval bond, that the ownership and the workers are inextricably linked. Fascism therefore is anti-capitalist, especially in the sense of international capital, Where as what we all know as the modern day corporation is actually international Global capitalism.

You're all mixed up porridge on this subject , i'm afraid. You should thank me for giving you the correct definition, and in it;'s correct historical context. Just because you heard the likes of Gerald Celente repeating the same old rubbish about fascism supposedly being the modern day corporation a thousand times over, doesn't make them right.

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King Edward VIII and Hitler could have been a dream-team. 13 Jun 2018 23:53 #193

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Ive never listened to Gerald Celente, its common knowledge corporatism is the merger of state & business.
In Mussolini's corporatism there was more checks from workers or unionist I'll give you that. So the Guilds aka corporations would be more liable yes. (in theory yes.) ($) U ($)
It was still a top down model.

Plus a guild is a corporation.
Fascism recognises the real needs which gave rise to socialism and trade-unionism, giving them due weight in the guild or corporative system in which diverent interests are coordinated and harmonised in the unity of the State.

The Fascist State lays claim to rule in the economic field no less than in others; it makes its action felt throughout the length and breadth of the country by means of its corporate, social, and educational institutions, and all the political, economic, and spiritual forces of the nation, organised in their respective associations, circulate within the State.

The corporate State considers that private enterprise in the sphere of production is the most effective and usefu instrument in the interest of the nation. In view of the fact that private organisation of production is a function of national concern, the organiser of the enterprise is responsible to the State for the direction given to production.

State intervention in economic production arises only when private initiative is lacking or insufficient, or when the political interests of the State are involved. This intervention may take the form of control, assistance or direct management. (pp. 135-136)

~Benito Mussolini, 1935, The Doctrine of Fascism

See the part highlighted.
Translation a state for the corps by the corps.
Not the people.
Root to what we are seeing today, not international communism.

And if you think im still wrong, then explain why the fuck this guy is sitting in Parliament?

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King Edward VIII and Hitler could have been a dream-team. 14 Jun 2018 00:06 #194

You're just trying to twist it back to what you think it means, or rather what you would like it to mean. If fascism was really the ideology the so called ''elites'' follow, and if it really meant International corporations, then why do the ''Elite'' universally condemn fascism, and why do they try and ban it everywhere? Rhetorical question on my part btw. It's obvious why they seek to ban it everywhere at all costs, because it means their rampant out of control capitalism, Usury, and other unethical business practices, will swiftly come to an end, and the worst offenders would likely also find a rope around their necks.
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King Edward VIII and Hitler could have been a dream-team. 14 Jun 2018 00:35 #195

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You're just trying to twist it back to what you think it means, or rather what you would like it to mean. If fascism was really the ideology the so called ''elites'' follow, and if it really meant International corporations, then why do the ''Elite'' universally condemn fascism, and why do they try and ban it everywhere? Rhetorical question on my part btw. It's obvious why they seek to ban it everywhere at all costs, because it means their rampant out of control capitalism, Usury, and other unethical business practices, will swiftly come to an end, and the worst offenders would likely also find a rope around their necks.

Obviously coz they dont want anyone taking over their manor doh...just like they destroy true socialist countries like Libya & Venezuela.

I mean all these countries they let refugees in are now turning to the fascist.. a repeat of history, surely? Problem, reaction, solution.

Trump & Putin the bad guys always making the globalist looks stupid.
When its all obvious theatre...
Koshner nationalism is fascist to the core btw.
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King Edward VIII and Hitler could have been a dream-team. 14 Jun 2018 02:57 #196

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You're just trying to twist it back to what you think it means, or rather what you would like it to mean. If fascism was really the ideology the so called ''elites'' follow, and if it really meant International corporations, then why do the ''Elite'' universally condemn fascism, and why do they try and ban it everywhere? Rhetorical question on my part btw. It's obvious why they seek to ban it everywhere at all costs, because it means their rampant out of control capitalism, Usury, and other unethical business practices, will swiftly come to an end, and the worst offenders would likely also find a rope around their necks.

Obviously coz they dont want anyone taking over their manor doh...just like they destroy true socialist countries like Libya & Venezuela.

I mean all these countries they let refugees in are now turning to the fascist.. a repeat of history, surely? Problem, reaction, solution.

Trump & Putin the bad guys always making the globalist looks stupid.
When its all obvious theatre...
Koshner nationalism is fascist to the core btw.

Talk all you want, but you just got your sorry ass kicked all over the place by Zorro. :chuckle:
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King Edward VIII and Hitler could have been a dream-team. 14 Jun 2018 07:17 #197

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Flare wrote:
porridge wrote:
Zorro wrote:
You're just trying to twist it back to what you think it means, or rather what you would like it to mean. If fascism was really the ideology the so called ''elites'' follow, and if it really meant International corporations, then why do the ''Elite'' universally condemn fascism, and why do they try and ban it everywhere? Rhetorical question on my part btw. It's obvious why they seek to ban it everywhere at all costs, because it means their rampant out of control capitalism, Usury, and other unethical business practices, will swiftly come to an end, and the worst offenders would likely also find a rope around their necks.

Obviously coz they dont want anyone taking over their manor doh...just like they destroy true socialist countries like Libya & Venezuela.

I mean all these countries they let refugees in are now turning to the fascist.. a repeat of history, surely? Problem, reaction, solution.

Trump & Putin the bad guys always making the globalist looks stupid.
When its all obvious theatre...
Koshner nationalism is fascist to the core btw.

Talk all you want, but you just got your sorry ass kicked all over the place by Zorro. :chuckle:

In your tiny gang stalking mind maybe Spock.. ;)

You wish to debate the roots of the term corporation for semantics?
In feudal Europe, a corporation (from the Latin corpus, corporis a body) was an aggregation of business interests into a single legal body, entity or compact, usually with an explicit license from city, church, or national leaders. These functioned as effective monopolies for a particular good or labor.

The term "corporation" was used as late as the 18th century in England to refer to such ventures as the East India Company or the Hudson's Bay Company: commercial organizations that operated under royal patent to have exclusive rights to a particular area of trade. In the medieval town, however, corporations were a conglomeration of interests that existed either as a development from, or in competition with, guilds. The most notable corporations were in trade and banking.

The effects of a corporation were similar to a monopoly. On the one hand, the ability to have sole access to markets meant that the business was encouraged (e.g., the ability to be an exclusive trader provided an incentive to the East India Company to accept financial risks in exploration) and the negative effects of competition were avoided (to take the same example, exclusive patents cut down on merchants sponsoring piracy). Innovation was stifled, however, and prices were unregulated. (In the case of patent corporations, the town or monarch was ostensibly able to regulate prices by revoking the patent, but this rarely occurred.)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporation_(feudal_Europe)
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King Edward VIII and Hitler could have been a dream-team. 14 Jun 2018 10:21 #198

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Fascism recognises the real needs which gave rise to socialism and trade-unionism, giving them due weight in the guild or corporative system in which divergent interests are coordinated and harmonised in the unity of the State.

The Fascist State lays claim to rule in the economic field no less than in others; it makes its action felt throughout the length and breadth of the country by means of its corporate, social, and educational institutions, and all the political, economic, and spiritual forces of the nation, organised in their respective associations, circulate within the State.

The corporate State considers that private enterprise in the sphere of production is the most effective and usefu instrument in the interest of the nation. In view of the fact that private organisation of production is a function of national concern, the organiser of the enterprise is responsible to the State for the direction given to production.

State intervention in economic production arises only when private initiative is lacking or insufficient, or when the political interests of the State are involved. This intervention may take the form of control, assistance or direct management. (pp. 135-136)

~Benito Mussolini, 1935, The Doctrine of Fascism

It seems clear to me that under the doctrine of fascism a corporation, whether interpreted as guild or in how we understand it today, is subservient to the state. The state is intended to benefit the people. Today many western states serve the corporations and pass laws and initiate policies which benefit them, often to the detriment of the people in that state.


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King Edward VIII and Hitler could have been a dream-team. 14 Jun 2018 10:37 #199

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The guild system of Mussolini sounds very similar to guild socialism. In reality Its just statism.

Interesting read on guilds & corporatism in the Napoleonic era after the revolution.

quod.lib.umich.edu/w/wsfh/0642292.0036.010/--debate-on-guilds-under-napoleon?rgn=main;view=fulltext
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King Edward VIII and Hitler could have been a dream-team. 14 Jun 2018 13:26 #200

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Just heard Richard Spencer on an old Ralph Retort show recommend Pat Buchanan's book, The Unnecessary War.

I'm going to read it over the summer, but in the meantime, I'm watching this, fits my thinking on this thread rather well:

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