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Someone Has Been Hiding Our True History 21 Dec 2018 19:21 #161

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I think youve mention this before to me Gan, Damascus Steel..seems obvious the ancients knew how to make steel, just as good as today.
Again comes from India, Syria & China. Europeans were lagging behind & the Indians made far superior Iron as well.

:arowup: Ok, so now at least we have it clear that porridge is not from European descent.

Huh?
How the fuck did you reason that?
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Someone Has Been Hiding Our True History 21 Dec 2018 23:34 #162

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It's not done with folk peddling spinning wheels
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Someone Has Been Hiding Our True History 22 Dec 2018 05:59 #163

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Advanced Machining in Ancient Egypt
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By Christopher P. Dunn
Petrie also studied the sawing methods of the pyramid builders. He concluded that their saws must have been at least 9 feet long. Again, there are indications of modern methods of sawing on the artifacts Petrie was studying. The sarcophagus in the King’s Chamber inside the Great Pyramid has saw marks on the north end that are identical to saw marks I have seen on granite surface plates.

Today, these saw marks would reflect either the differences in the aggregate dimensions of a wire band-saw with the abrasive the wire entraps to do the cutting, or the side-to-side movement of the wire or the wheels that drive the wire. The result of either of these conditions is a series of slight grooves. The distance between the grooves is determined by the feed-rate and either the distance between the variation in diameter of the saw, or the diameter of the wheels. The distance between the grooves on the coffer inside the King’s Chamber is approximately .050 inch.



Egyptian artifacts representing tubular drilling are the most clearly astounding and conclusive evidence yet presented to identify the knowledge and technology existing in pre-history. The ancient pyramid builders used a technique for drilling holes that is commonly known as "trepanning." This technique leaves a central core and is an efficient means of hole making. For holes that didn’t go all the way through the material, they reached a desired depth and then broke the core out of the hole. It was not only evident in the holes that Petrie was studying, but on the cores cast aside by the masons who had done the trepanning. Regarding tool marks which left a spiral groove on a core taken out of a hole drilled into a piece of granite, he wrote:

"The spiral of the cut sinks .100 inch in the circumference of 6 inches, or 1 in 60, a rate of ploughing out of the quartz and feldspar which is astonishing."

After reading this, I had to agree with Petrie. This was an incredible feed-rate for drilling into any material, let alone granite. I was completely confounded as to how a drill could achieve this feedrate. Petrie was so astounded by these artifacts that he attempted to explain them at three different points in one chapter. To an engineer in the 1880’s, what Petrie was looking at was an anomaly. The characteristics of the holes, the cores that came out of them, and the tool marks indicated an impossibility. Three distinct characteristics of the hole and core make the artifacts extremely remarkable. They are...


1. A taper on both the hole and the core.

2. A symmetrical helical groove following these tapers which showed that the drill advanced into the granite at a feed rate of .100 inch per revolution of the drill.

3. The confounding fact that the spiral groove cut deeper through the quartz than through the softer feldspar. In conventional machining the reverse would be the case.

Mr. Donald Rahn of Rahn Granite Surface Plate Co., Dayton, Ohio, told me, in 1983, that in drilling granite, diamond drills, rotating at 900 revolutions per minute, penetrate at the rate of 1 inch in 5 minutes. This works out to be .0002 inch per revolution, meaning that the ancient Egyptians were able to cut their granite with a feed rate that was 500 times greater.
www.theglobaleducationproject.org/egypt/articles/cdunn-3.php

Btw due to the precipitation erosion on the enclosure to the Sphinx it's known that it's older than the Dynastic Egyptians. There was a former and skilled civilisation.

Dates
Egyptologists, archaeologists, and scholars from the 19th century have proposed different dates for the era of Menes, or the date of the first dynasty:[14]

John Gardner Wilkinson (1835) – 2320 BC
Jean-François Champollion (1840)[contradictory] – 5867 BC
August Böckh (1845) – 5702 BC
Christian Charles Josias Bunsen (1848) – 3623 BC
Reginald Stuart Poole (1851) – 2717 BC
Karl Richard Lepsius (1856) – 3892 BC
Heinrich Karl Brugsch (1859) – 4455 BC
Franz Joseph Lauth (1869) – 4157 BC
Auguste Mariette (1871) – 5004 BC
James Strong (1878) – 2515 BC
Flinders Petrie (1887) – 4777 BC
Modern consensus dates the era of Menes or the start of the first dynasty between c. 3200–3030 BC; some academic literature uses c. 3000 BC.[15]
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menes

Sahara Went from Green to Desert in a Flash
The wet period, called the African Humid Period, started and ended suddenly, confirming previous studies by other groups, the sediments revealed. However, toward the Humid Period's end about 6,000 years ago, the dust was at about 20 percent of today's level, far less dusty than previous estimates, the study found..”
today.tamu.edu/2016/11/29/6000-years-ago-the-sahara-desert-was-tropical-so-what-happened/

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Someone Has Been Hiding Our True History 22 Dec 2018 11:02 #164

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exilium wrote:
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y'all wanna talk about drilling?


Have you got any specs on that dril Roc, speed, top pressure etc, material and so on.
I just pulled that pic of Google Images. It's just a Drill Bit. Speed and Pressure would depend on Top Drive, Draw Works, BOP, etc.
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Someone Has Been Hiding Our True History 22 Dec 2018 12:05 #165

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There is still lost more to this subject,

What I think we are dealing with here, is two distinct periods of history and the artefacts that are available to examine today, it is clear that the quality of these items wheather they be metals or stones are not all of the same quality, or time period, this is blatantly obvious when you closely examine them.

Many leading authors mention high tech machinery or engineering in Egypt and other places where this advanced technology was used but not when, and herein is the human problem, one cannot compartmetalized different periods of history into one genre.

I also think that there was advanced engineering that was taken around the world and used to create many of the artefacts, but not left behind afterwards, this is why we see a distinctive pattern the world over, IE, the people living in and around these monoliths simply went back to how they were afterwards, IE, the complexes fell into ruin and they never kept up their maintainance, this indicates a removal of the tech itself when those who used it took it with them when they left.

My part in this debate is to try and recreate the same quality of work with what the experts say they ancient Egyptians had vailable to them, IE, copper/bronze alloys and other aggregates and that is what I will attempt to do to the best of my ability as an engineer.

But even in traditionally excepted Egyptology the earlier tombs/containers are of better quality than the later. So history can be misleading. We know the sphinx is older than suggested at least by about 2000 years but probably more. So premise is that the ancient lost civilisation/technology was better than the Dynastic stuff. This is because the Dynastic stuff is often poorer quality, as has been shown.

There is an official cove up about the age of the sphinx, whoever built it first time around did so at least 6000 years ago, and are probably responsible for other items that ave been attributed to the Dynastic Egyptians. It doesn't follow that Egyptian technology would regress over time, so it appears that some of the better structures from earlier times in their periods were actually not build by them at all, and their later attempts were crude copies. Somehow the know how, knowledge, technology etc etc had been lost when the area suddenly dried out and they perished.

Kind of what you're on about with saving skills, but the manipulators of our history have written them off and put it all down to Egyptian dynastic technology

As seen here

again.
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Someone Has Been Hiding Our True History 22 Dec 2018 12:58 #166

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Maybe they are just in it for the money but Robert Schoch is a proper scientist. Foerester et al are pointing stuff out all the same, insomuch that the earlier coffins were better made and better finished, more skilfully done in general.

Nobody really knows how the drilling and cutting was done but by judging by the information in my earlier post this morning, they had some better methods/equipment than we have now. I don't think you'll be able to make low technology equipment that can do it.

Modern civilisation has only been able to bore holes in hard rock quite recently, the question is, did these ancient people have a hard metal drill and how did they power it. Peddle wheels won't be able to drill holes with the feed-rate into granite as described.
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Someone Has Been Hiding Our True History 22 Dec 2018 13:42 #167

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Did you see the post I submitted this morning, it wasn't from Brien Foerester, they were drilling 500 x faster than a granite drilling engineer said he could in 1983.They can judge by the drill bit feed-rate marks and the removed inner core. how much is bored per revolution is greater than could be done in 1983 by the granite engineer, like 500 times greater, didn't you read it?

Foereseter doesn't say you can't drill holes fast today. But whats's needed for that he says is modern power tools, not peddling machines.
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Someone Has Been Hiding Our True History 22 Dec 2018 13:55 #168

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Someone Has Been Hiding Our True History 24 Dec 2018 07:56 #169

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exilium wrote:
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Did you see the post I submitted this morning, it wasn't from Brien Foerester, they were drilling 500 x faster than a granite drilling engineer said he could in 1983.They can judge by the drill bit feed-rate marks and the removed inner core. how much is bored per revolution is greater than could be done in 1983 by the granite engineer, like 500 times greater, didn't you read it?

Foereseter doesn't say you can't drill holes fast today. But whats's needed for that he says is modern power tools, not peddling machines.

I already knew they can drill holes faster before reading the article we need to keep in perspective, keep the alien rhetoric out of the running.

Forester is being sellective with the reality of the subject, he never comes out and explain things properly as that would spoil his method of making money out of the mystery.

There are so many others on the same band wagon, giving only half of the information and leaving the rest to imagination, I don't work like that.

What my experiments will endeavor to show is, there are other ways to swing an Egyptian Cat, using the old school tech, which he never does, the experiments he has been a part of are a complete joke to any other than the trained eye.

Lets see what I can achieve and gain from using my own brain instead of following his and his stories of old.

it doesn't matter to me if Foerester doesn't go into every detail, the point is he's highlighting things that are otherwise being covered up by the mainstream paradigm.

There isn't an explanation for this drilling, cutting, or finishing the polished hard stone. As I keep saying old school peddle wheels etc, won't do that. Foerester's conclusion is that there was a more advanced civilisation before the Dynastic Egyptians.

Whether or not he's in it for the money or if he doesn't explain in enough detail for your liking, is neither here nor there, what he has shown in his presentations is interesting. it's not a matter of following, it's a matter of considering, You appear to be dismissive but have nothing to add on the topic that would account for the processes yourself. You tried to explain it all with a copper staff with diamonds attached at the end, powered by a potters wheel like mechanism. But as I keep saying, civilisations haven't used diamond enhanced cutting tools for very long, and potters wheels can't spin the drill bit fast enough, and the tubular drilling feed-rate is not going to occur using such a method even for softer stone.

I have't mentioned aliens, I don't know why you've brought that into it?
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Someone Has Been Hiding Our True History 25 Dec 2018 19:00 #170

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What do you think about this sonic drilling using sort of tuning fork contraptions Gan?



No spinning needed at all.... :dunno:
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Someone Has Been Hiding Our True History 28 Dec 2018 03:07 #171

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Seems here copper and sand did it.

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Someone Has Been Hiding Our True History 28 Dec 2018 03:20 #172

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exilium wrote:
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Great crane driving too, my best freind was one, see how little gap he left between the joints and boom in it goes.
That's a Topdrive with the Driller on the brake. No Cranes involved here, just a Derrick with a rotating system. Topdrive in the Derrick and a Turning Table on the Drilling Floor
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