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UKIP - Send in the 'clowns' 03 May 2013 19:55 #1

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www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-22394617
This is the day when those dubbed "clowns, loonies, fruitcakes and closet racists" may find it hard to resist the temptation to laugh in the face of their detractors in the established political parties.

It is the day UKIP emerged as a real political force in the land.


The leaders of all other political parties will now be considering how to respond, what to say and what to do in the face of the party's rise.

UKIP has evolved over the two decades since it was created from an anti-EU pressure group into a fully fledged party which has now proved that it can succeed beyond European elections.

This is a more profound change than you might think. Before today a party created because of one issue and dominated by one man could, in theory, have simply wound up after a referendum on the UK's membership of the EU.

Many of its early backers might have concluded at that point - "job done".

Now, however, there will be UKIP councillors all over the country (there may even be some with a slice of power once all the results are in) who will insist they exist for other purposes. UKIP is not going the way of the Referendum Party.

For now their impact will be on other parties.

Tories on the right will claim that if only David Cameron had listened to them none of this would have happened. They will demand political red meat to woo back their former supporters.

To some extent it's already been offered - David Cameron has talked of a parliamentary vote on an EU referendum, he's announced a crackdown on immigration and a tougher prison regime has been heralded. So, what now?

Blairites will reheat their warnings that Ed Miliband has not extended Labour's support enough.

Some in his party will angst about their appeal in the South, some about their failure to convince their traditional white working class voters. He will respond, I suspect, with an attempt to forge a much clearer economic alternative.

The Lib Dems will be relieved that the spotlight is on someone else's problems whilst having to live with the fact that their party's problems are very far from over.

Nigel Farage has already proved that he is one of those politicians like Ken and Boris and Alex Salmond who can make his country smile. Now the clowns are bringing tears to their opponents' eyes. He's sure to see the joke in that.

PS: Having said all of this this let's not forget that UKIP did not win the elections. They look set to end the night with tens of councillors not many hundreds, unlike their opponents. It is extremely unlikely to run any council alone.

They have no MPs and, under our first-past-the-post system, it would be a major achievement to elect just one. Labour still won last night's by-election and the Conservatives look set to have the most councillors and run the most councils.

UKIP are putting down political roots. They are not about to challenge for power.
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UKIP - Send in the 'clowns' 03 May 2013 20:08 #2

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^ Some good comments on the BBC site there btw...
''The EU is a socialist monstrosity which is destroying British society with its dangerous utopian ideals....
Far from being bigots many UKIP voters are hard working intelligent tax payers who are not listened to by the three main parties.
The name calling and insults from some people will not detract from the fact that it was a good day for democracy.''

''Here in Germany there is a massive amount of electronic stuff from China and the Far East on the shelves.

There is a lot of foreign fruit and veg in the shops as well.

You do not have to be in the "EU" to trade with the "EU". ''
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UKIP - Send in the 'clowns' 03 May 2013 23:25 #3

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The name calling and insults from some people

Smear tactics perpetuated by the globalists and their lackeys who do not want their agenda interrupted perhaps?

I found this insteresting, this is how ukip describe themselves,(from their website)...

Libertarian, non-racist party seeking Britain's withdrawal from the European Union.

We believe in the right of the people of the UK to govern ourselves, rather than be governed by unelected bureaucrats in Brussels (and, increasingly, in London and even your local town hall).

We believe in the minimum necessary government which defends individual freedom, supports those in real need, takes as little of our money as possible and doesn’t interfere in our lives.

We believe in democracy devolved to the people, through national and local referendums on key issues, so that laws are made by the people’s will, not the fads of the political class.

We believe that the government of Britain should be for the people, by the people – all the people, regardless or their creed or colour – of Britain.

UKIP says… Listen to the people. What do you say?


and this is wikipedia...

The UK Independence Party is a Eurosceptic right-wing populist political party in the United Kingdom.
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UKIP - Send in the 'clowns' 04 May 2013 22:32 #4

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Right wing.... Left wing.... Meh.

I just might vote Ukip in the next General Election. I can't even consider voting Labour, would cut my hands off before I voted Tory; and, last time - trying to be "strategic" - I like a fool, voted LibDem thinking they would "temper" whoever got into power. Um, no. They didn't. They immediately became completely Tory. Sorry, folks. :emb:

But I might just vote Ukip. Just to get us the fek out of Europe would be a good start.

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UKIP - Send in the 'clowns' 05 May 2013 16:38 #5

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The LibDems are finished basically....it'll take them decades to regain any real credibility after this 'coalition' fiasco with the Conservatives, if ever.

Its over for them in my opinion....they'll never come back from this.

The UK is now a two-party state. And lets face it.... since 'New Labour' was born, the lines have become so blurred that its really a one-party state isn't it.

The pretence of it being anything other than that has almost been discarded now.
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UKIP - Send in the 'clowns' 16 May 2013 00:59 #6

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I voted tory in the last election :emb: :emb: :emb: :emb: :P

I will vote UKIP in the next election.

EDIT. :D ...I voted tory in the hopes of having an IN/OUT referendum on the EU :roll: ...fool me once.......
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UKIP - Send in the 'clowns' 16 May 2013 20:07 #7

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Well, I was considering voting Ukip in the next election, but then Nigel Farage indicated that he was prepared to join forces with the Tories, if they dumped Cameron.

ANYONE who would join the Tories will never get my vote, with or without Cameron in tow. :mad: So that's Ukip written off my "Vote For" list.

Which leaves me...... who :conf:

Dammit! I suppose I'll have to stand myself. :D
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UKIP - Send in the 'clowns' 16 May 2013 21:04 #8

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Yes indeedy cantata.

The main issue I have with UKIP is that, when you look past their laudable anti-EU stance (thats the one they're now dining out regally on), they suspiciously appear to be nothing more than a bunch of pissed-off closet tories.

Have you heard of the English Democrats? They look more interesting than UKIP to me... ;)

www.englishdemocrats.org.uk/the-english-democrats-democratics-policies-policy.html
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UKIP - Send in the 'clowns' 16 May 2013 21:43 #9

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I don't see them saying much about how they are going to help the poor, unemployed, ill and disabled... let me read through it.

But I am looking for a party to vote for who is NOT Tory, LibDem (I agree: they're finite forever - I hope!), Labour, "Green" or, now, Ukip. All suggestions are very welcome.

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UKIP - Send in the 'clowns' 16 May 2013 21:56 #10

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Re Farage.... Arnie he ain't! :D He had to hide in an Edinburgh pub to escape Scottish protesters yelling, "Scum. Scum", and later managed to get away in an armoured police car:

news.uk.msn.com/trending-blog/nigel-farage-takes-refuge-inside-pub-to-escape-protesters-361544/

I like the way the report finishes: "It is not known whether Mr Farage intends to spend the night in Scotland".

:D I'm taking bets on "No. He won't". :D
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UKIP - Send in the 'clowns' 16 May 2013 22:01 #11

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But I am looking for a party to vote for who is NOT Tory

^ & there's the rub.

We want a party that is properly anti-EU....one that will take us out of this federal undemocratic 'united states of europe' nightmare, but that isn't effing right-wing with it!

& there doesn't seem to be one. Why? Why? Why.....?
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UKIP - Send in the 'clowns' 16 May 2013 22:26 #12

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I think the British people are "slow to anger", to be honest. I think it needs to get so baaaaad for them (again) that it forces the emergence of a new political party/way of governing. Once, the Liberals were the "master party" with the little Tories trying for a bit of power; now that's the other way around (Labour are Tory too, so it's back to being just two parties).

In some ways, although I'm loathe to wish ill on the population out there (myself included) the more of them feel the suffering those in less fortunate positions are already going through, the better really. That should give the impetus for change, innovation, maybe even giving a damn again.

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UKIP - Send in the 'clowns' 16 May 2013 22:28 #13

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The trouble seems to be that most people can't see past Labour and Conservative. People vote for what they know, and it comes down to their perspective, who they think are the good guys and who they think are the bad guys kind of thing. They vote for whoever seems to represent them, not realising both parties represent themselves and corporate military industrial interests.
If there is a party out there that truly represents the people nobody will have heard of them, and they would get a fraction of the votes the "big two" would get, imo.
I doubt most people who vote are political, or have the first clue about politics... probably comes down to where they live and what rag they read.
Politics isn't my thing :chuckle: I've never voted, it seems to be a pointless exercise.
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UKIP - Send in the 'clowns' 16 May 2013 22:36 #14

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Well, at the moment voting is a pointless exercise ire because.... vote for whoever you like, but you'll get what you're given! And they're all the same so it doesn't really matter.

But not voting just hands it back to the busterds that hold it already.

We need that emergence of the new (party/way), and if that has to come through some degree of "suffering and loss", so be it. There's nothing wakes a sleepwalker like a bit of hardship - especially when it comes to losing all the things they've grown up with as their "rights".

Personally, I'm not of the opinion that , "they just want us all to riot so they can get rid of us all". I think they're peeing themselves in case we do actually get up and do something, riot or otherwise; which is why they seem intend on sending out all these veiled threats about armed police and longer sentences. None of their lying and posturing will work if they push the population too far.

And then they'll have to face us. :twisted: :norty:

I think they fear that, not seek it.
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UKIP - Send in the 'clowns' 16 May 2013 23:00 #15

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Just to add: I wouldn't be surprised to find out that Icke and his ilk are actually working for "them". Heaven knows he (and his son) are overtly breaking their necks to break into their ranks and mingle with them at every opportunity.

But what makes me suspect Icke and his ilk is how they almost warn people against doing anything, and promote the idea that that's all "they" are waiting for - any action to be taken - so that they can kill the people. It almost seems designed to stop people doing anything to seize power (which always worked in the past, funnily enough).

Power is never given or shared. Power is always taken, and then it's got to be held onto. Which of these Truthers are saying that right now? None of them. They are all saying the exact opposite!

We need a new party (minimum) and a new system of governing (much more important) starting NOW.
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UKIP - Send in the 'clowns' 16 May 2013 23:05 #16

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Right, lets start our own party....right here & right now!

We're old enough. The Truth-zone party....anti-EU, anti-mass immigration, anti-racism, anti-Cameron/Osbourne/Clegg/Milliband. Anti-lies...

Pro-people, pro humanity, pro the kids, pro everything that is right & proper.

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YaaaaaaY. I'll vote for Us. :thumbup:

But really - enough of the yakkety-yak... we should DO IT. :O


ETA: How DOES a political party "start" anyway? :conf: It must be a group of like minded people getting together to "do something" in the very beginning, mustn't it? Or am I just naïve?
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UKIP - Send in the 'clowns' 16 May 2013 23:37 #18

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YaaaaaaY. I'll vote for Us. :thumbup:

But really - enough of the yakkety-yak... we should DO IT. :O


ETA: How DOES a political party "start" anyway? :conf: It must be a group of like minded people getting together to "do something" in the very beginning, mustn't it? Or am I just naïve?

I think that's exactly how it 'starts'... ;)

& the internet is a completely new (& dangerous) medium as far these people's control over us is concerned.....they really didn't see it coming. Or realise the power it has....they are only beginning to see that now... ;)

Here's me, running an internet forum with all my personal details out there available for everyone who wants to see them to see.So, sue me if you like Mr Cameron, for stating online that you're a CUNT.

lol :D
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UKIP - Send in the 'clowns' 16 May 2013 23:40 #19

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:D

Well, I prefer the use of male genitilia. :roll:

A Prick.

:D
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UKIP - Send in the 'clowns' 17 May 2013 00:09 #20

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cantata wrote:
:D

Well, I prefer the use of male genitilia. :roll:

A Prick.

:D

Lets just call him an arsehole, then everyone's happy...

:D
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