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UKIP - Send in the 'clowns' 09 Jun 2013 23:19 #61

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They have got a lot of national pride though, things are done a certain way over here. they won't accept meddling from outside.

Way it should be in my opinion.

Take away a peoples national identity & pride, destroy them economically, and what do you get? Extremism, that's what.

Look at Greece as an example.....the rise of Golden Dawn party there. None of this is an 'accident', its all part of the plan.

It's happening in Scandinavia. A right bunch of numpties are probably going to get in next Danish election. They're gaining popularity in Sweden too. Both these countires were on the whole socialist before joining the socialist EU. Go figure
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UKIP - Send in the 'clowns' 09 Jun 2013 23:22 #62

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Ultimate Seeker, i need bed now. i have people I can't let down at work tomorrow with a grumpy tired me. I'll look in when I can to continue :D
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UKIP - Send in the 'clowns' 09 Jun 2013 23:55 #63

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Yeah it was me calling you naive.

Not once has a political union provided a situation where everyone is happy. You make people happy by letting them control their own destiny. You do that by devolution.
Strange the UK hasn't thought of that till now, there is nothing in the Bill of Rights or acts of settlement, about letting the people be happy or letting them have control over their own destiny, nothing at all ;)
Our species has proliferated through cooperation mixed with chaotic offshoots becoming the norm. If everything was the same then we would become stagnant. Every time common politics has been attempted it has failed due to this because when that idea doesn't work then the machinery isn't in place to try another way.
you discount the advent of slave religious agricultural systems in Mesopotamia symbolized by the Victory of the patriarchal religious system conceived by the "Annunaki"...one might suggest an alternative interpretation might read, "our species proliferated through cooperative social systems, developing knowledge of cultivation, mathematics, morality, selective breeding and so on, until this knowledge was used in the agricultural revolution to form a garden in Eden, where human beings were forced to labour under a totalitarian dictatorship called God :norty:
At this point a deranged and crazy offshoot became the norm (Patriarchal Religions) giving rise to our beloved monarch and the Divine Right of Kings. It's inevitable such a fixed human construct of a state, reflecting religious ideology rather than the material constituent parts of the state, ie the "demos" should stagnate and eventually be consigned to the Museum of History.
regarding your hate for england;
Yeah thats right, getting rid of the monarchy would solve all the problems because it's always someones elses fault. Like I said dude, i remember 80 hr weeks, £2.50 an hour, no overtime. that was my first job. It took some years but I changed that, on my own. Self sufficiency, or you could just waste your life blaming someone else ;)
I;m not saying it would solve all problems, you'd still have the bloody offspring to deal with, but you'd immediately free up a lot of land for development by removing those elaborate travesties known as Stately Houses, Ugh.
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UKIP - Send in the 'clowns' 10 Jun 2013 00:01 #64

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Ultimate Seeker, i need bed now. i have people I can't let down at work tomorrow with a grumpy tired me. I'll look in when I can to continue :D

Ultimate Seeker does not require sleep therefore you are an inferior model of seeker and not as efficient as the Ultimate Seeker™ :rofl:

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UKIP - Send in the 'clowns' 10 Jun 2013 00:42 #65

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That's what I've been saying, why should the insincerity of individual member states, specifically the UK and US globalist bankers be covered up when they are the real cause of the problem, not the EU treaties, by your own words: "member states were failing" to adhere to.

So you're saying the sovereign debt crisis, (which you believe people blame on the EU) started in 92 with the signing of laws to limit deficit spending (which countries subsequently flaunted anyway).

It's an interesting theory others trace the origin of the financial crash and irregularities back further to at least Thatcherism and the Neo-Liberal reforms in China.

Im saying i can see why people blame the EU. I do think that in the example of greece that Goldman Sachs and politicians in greece escaped blame to a certain extent.

Speaking of Goldman Sachs...
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Username we'll never agree on this, you believe the EU is one homogenous entity controlled by business, (though I don't see why businesses are taxing themselves, trying to regulate their profit making abilities or lobbying to make the EU pro-Climate Change legislation so they can spend money to oppose Climate change legislation?) I think it is a diverse and changing entity that ultimately reflects the popular democratic values of Europe.

Anyone who has looked into how governments propose to tackle emissions knows that Goldman Sachs is in there. Along with NM Rothschild bank. Goldman Sachs has also been a large contributor to the Democrats in the USA, for example the Clinton Administration, when clinton and gore were in office. GS was also a founding member of Al Gores Chicago climate exchange (CCX) . And we know both Gore and now clinton through his clinton foundation are outspoken about having carbon markets. Not to mention Bill and Hilary are seemingly good friends with some rothschild bankers, who co-incidentally stand to benefit from carbon trading through NM Rothschild bank.

As i have said before, these are some of the reasons why people doubt the intentions of carbon markets. I think we all can acknowledge that pollution is a problem, but there is much disagreement on how to go about tackling these issues.

Will the EU contribute to changes on the ground so to speak, fund solar installations and so on, or will it support Goldman Sachs and other banks endeavours to have a successful and profitable carbon trading market run by the bankers?

I have posted this video before but here it is again since this came up



For me, debate about AGW is becoming irrelevant imho anyway as governments are just going to put these regulations in place, despite opposition. Australians for example are already paying carbon taxes despite most not wanting it. Australia has a carbon tax, there is not much point debating it anymore. And the goal is to eventually move to carbon trading markets run by private corporations. Cant say im suprised as thats what governements tend to do these days.

Despite the oppositon party heavily criticising it, i would wager that it will never be reversed when they return to power,, especially since the opposition leader Tony Abbotts wife just happens to be a former NM rothschild banker, not to mention party power guy Malcolm Turnbull, former head of Goldman Sachs Australia, and whos son now works for GS in NY i believe and is now well known enough in financial circles to make it onto the @GSElevator twitter parody.

One result is making food production much less viable, and growers are walking away. Again it seems rather convenient for corporations such as Field Fresh, Del Monte and so on who mass produce in third world countries and export. And when i look at some of the names that have funded those corporations, well, call me a cynic but. :umm: (see above)

I know i have gone off into food production again, and am talking about a place outside the EU, but lets face it, these things are a part of the EU also, the same corporations will be involved in carbon markets, and who could argue that food production is important for us as a species, some european countries are the largest producers in the world of certain fruits and so on, and i do know producers there, and they do talk about EU regulations and so on.
1365 = 1

1.1365 = 1,283,305,580,313,352
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UKIP - Send in the 'clowns' 10 Jun 2013 01:04 #66

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Ultimate Seeker ™ wrote:
I don't see why businesses are taxing themselves, trying to regulate their profit making abilities or lobbying to make the EU pro-Climate Change legislation so they can spend money to oppose Climate change legislation?

Corporations tend to pass on any financial burdens placed on them do they not?

George Mason University Professor Walter Williams explains the reality of Taxation.


1365 = 1

1.1365 = 1,283,305,580,313,352
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UKIP - Send in the 'clowns' 10 Jun 2013 09:03 #67

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Ultimate Seeker ™ wrote:
Strange the UK hasn't thought of that till now, there is nothing in the Bill of Rights or acts of settlement, about letting the people be happy or letting them have control over their own destiny, nothing at all ;)

You're confusing my opposition to a federal EU with agreement for how things are done in the UK.
Our species has proliferated through cooperation mixed with chaotic offshoots becoming the norm. If everything was the same then we would become stagnant. Every time common politics has been attempted it has failed due to this because when that idea doesn't work then the machinery isn't in place to try another way.
you discount the advent of slave religious agricultural systems in Mesopotamia symbolized by the Victory of the patriarchal religious system conceived by the "Annunaki"...one might suggest an alternative interpretation might read, "our species proliferated through cooperative social systems, developing knowledge of cultivation, mathematics, morality, selective breeding and so on, until this knowledge was used in the agricultural revolution to form a garden in Eden, where human beings were forced to labour under a totalitarian dictatorship called God :norty:
At this point a deranged and crazy offshoot became the norm (Patriarchal Religions) giving rise to our beloved monarch and the Divine Right of Kings. It's inevitable such a fixed human construct of a state, reflecting religious ideology rather than the material constituent parts of the state, ie the "demos" should stagnate and eventually be consigned to the Museum of History.
I was talking more about how the offshoots go against the norm creating the the solutions which a dictatorial society would never allow. If everyone thought the same or was forced to think the same then when a new problem everyone dies unless it changes. It's allowing differences that ensure survival, allowing quick adaptation.
regarding your hate for england;
Yeah thats right, getting rid of the monarchy would solve all the problems because it's always someones elses fault. Like I said dude, i remember 80 hr weeks, £2.50 an hour, no overtime. that was my first job. It took some years but I changed that, on my own. Self sufficiency, or you could just waste your life blaming someone else ;)
I;m not saying it would solve all problems, you'd still have the bloody offspring to deal with, but you'd immediately free up a lot of land for development by removing those elaborate travesties known as Stately Houses, Ugh.

The longer you blame someone else for your situation the longer you'll remain a victim
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UKIP - Send in the 'clowns' 10 Jun 2013 10:40 #68

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Ultimate Seeker, i need bed now. i have people I can't let down at work tomorrow with a grumpy tired me. I'll look in when I can to continue :D

Ultimate Seeker does not require sleep therefore you are an inferior model of seeker and not as efficient as the Ultimate Seeker™ :rofl:



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UKIP - Send in the 'clowns' 10 Jun 2013 13:23 #69

lolz fair play :D
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UKIP - Send in the 'clowns' 10 Jun 2013 13:33 #70

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lolz fair play :D

:D . I don't wanna do the meme thing though mate, we could turn the forum in to a farce.

catch you later
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UKIP - Send in the 'clowns' 21 Jun 2013 10:46 #71

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Nigel Farage could turn out to be as big a liability for Ukip as Clegg turned out to be for the LibDems:

news.uk.msn.com/uk/farage-admits-tax-haven-mistake-1

Plays the game he speaks out against (to get what he wants).

Someone take him to the pub for a nice blokey pint..... :roll: He's "just like me and you".
"...Wyrde saves oft the man undoomed
if he undaunted be....". (Beowulf).

"The most beautiful people we have known are those who have known defeat, known suffering, known struggle, known loss, and have found their way out of the depths... Beautiful people do not just happen". (Elisabeth Kubler-Ross).


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