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TOPIC: A recipe for sleepless nights: Vote to throw out 'bedroom tax' fails in Parliament

A recipe for sleepless nights: Vote to throw out 'bedroom tax' fails in Parliament 13 Nov 2013 11:58 #1

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The result leaves thousands of poorer families and disabled people facing more financial hardship. Here we outline 10 reasons why the policy is unjust and unworkable

Of all the Government’s welfare reforms, the so-called bedroom tax is rapidly becoming its most controversial.

Liberal Democrat president Tim Farron was among Coalition politicians who voted for the immediate termination of the policy following a Parliamentary debate on its flaws. Senior Liberal Democrat MP, Andrew George voted with him, saying it would create the ghettos of the future and is Dickensian in its social divisiveness. The Deputy Leader of the Liberal Democrats, Simon Hughes, argued that the Government should exempt anyone who had applied to live in a smaller property.

The vote on its abolition was lost by 26 votes and came after Shadow Work and Pensions Secretary Rachel Reeves launched an attack on the housing benefit change in Parliament. She said: “Let me be very clear – if I am Secretary of State in 2015, this will be the first thing that I will do, reverse this unfair and pernicious tax.”

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/a-recipe-for-sleepless-nights-vote-to-throw-out-bedroom-tax-fails-in-parliament-8935741.html

This is so awful for those that this tax will affect. Where do they expect these poor people to live?..Not that they care.
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A recipe for sleepless nights: Vote to throw out 'bedroom tax' fails in Parliament 13 Nov 2013 18:10 #2

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I'm seeing/hearing echoes of the infamous Poll Tax.

That tax was the downfall of Thatcher.....hopefully this one will have the same result for this lot.
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A recipe for sleepless nights: Vote to throw out 'bedroom tax' fails in Parliament 13 Nov 2013 18:52 #3

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So lemme get this straight and ask for a summary, being a non UK person.

You are supposed to pay a tax if there is an empty bedroom in your place? Like it is supposed to be filled?
I remember the good old days, when 90+ year olds in nursing homes lived forever. Darn this pesky virus.

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1.1365 = 1,283,305,580,313,352
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A recipe for sleepless nights: Vote to throw out 'bedroom tax' fails in Parliament 13 Nov 2013 19:14 #4

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novum wrote:
So lemme get this straight and ask for a summary, being a non UK person.

You are supposed to pay a tax if there is an empty bedroom in your place? Like it is supposed to be filled?

england.shelter.org.uk/get_advice/housing_benefit_and_local_housing_allowance/changes_to_housing_benefit/bedroom_tax
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A recipe for sleepless nights: Vote to throw out 'bedroom tax' fails in Parliament 13 Nov 2013 19:17 #5

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novum wrote:
So lemme get this straight and ask for a summary, being a non UK person.

You are supposed to pay a tax if there is an empty bedroom in your place? Like it is supposed to be filled?

It works like this basically.

If someone is in receipt of some sort of state benefit (JSA, income support, disability etc) and they have what the govt deems to be more rooms in their house than they actually need, then those said benefits are now being cut accordingly.

Bear in mind that said benefits are (were) already set at what the law says is ''the minimum amount required for a person to live on'' in the first place, then the problems with this 'tax' are clearly problematic to the most poor and disadvantaged in UK society.

Its just one more factor in the ongoing trend of what's going on generally now.
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A recipe for sleepless nights: Vote to throw out 'bedroom tax' fails in Parliament 13 Nov 2013 19:29 #6

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diamondgeezer wrote:
I'm seeing/hearing echoes of the infamous Poll Tax.

Not the same thing...the bedroom tax only affects certain individuals.

Tax per head

The Community Charge was a poll tax to fund local government in the United Kingdom, instituted in 1989 by the government of Margaret Thatcher. It replaced the rates that were based on the notional rental value of a house. The abolition of rates was in the manifesto of Thatcher's Conservative Party in the 1979 general election, and the replacement was proposed in the Green Paper of 1986, Paying for Local Government based on ideas developed by Dr Madsen Pirie and Douglas Mason of the Adam Smith Institute. It was a fixed tax per adult resident, but there was a reduction for those with lower household income. Each person was to pay for the services provided in their community. This proposal was contained in the Conservative Manifesto for the 1987 General Election. The new tax replaced the rates in Scotland from the start of the 1989/90 financial year, and in England and Wales from the start of the 1990/91 financial year.
The system was deeply unpopular. It was perceived to shift the tax burden from rich to poor, as it was based on the number of people living in a house rather than its estimated price. Many tax rates set by local councils proved to be much higher than earlier predictions, leading to resentment even among people who had supported it. The tax in different boroughs differed dramatically because local taxes paid by businesses varied and grants by central government to local authorities sometimes varied capriciously.
Mass protests were called by the All-Britain Anti-Poll Tax Federation, with which the vast majority of local Anti Poll Tax Unions (APTUs) were affiliated. In Scotland the APTUs called for mass non-payment and these calls rapidly gathered widespread support which spread to England and Wales, even though non-payment meant that people could be prosecuted. In some areas, 30% of former ratepayers defaulted. While owner-occupiers were easy to tax, those who regularly changed accommodation were almost impossible to pursue if they chose not to pay. The cost of collecting the tax rose steeply while the returns from it fell. Enforcement measures became increasingly draconian, and unrest grew and culminated in a number of Poll Tax Riots. The most serious was in a protest at Trafalgar Square, London, on 31 March 1990, of more than 200,000 protesters. A Labour MP, Terry Fields, was jailed for 60 days for refusing to pay his poll tax.
This unrest was instrumental in toppling Margaret Thatcher in 1990. Her replacement, John Major, replaced the Community Charge with the Council Tax, similar to the rating system that preceded the Poll Tax. The main differences were that it was levied on capital value rather than notional rental value of a property, and that it had a 25% discount for single-occupancy dwellings.

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A recipe for sleepless nights: Vote to throw out 'bedroom tax' fails in Parliament 13 Nov 2013 19:34 #7

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"When asked what they planned to do about helping those hit hardest by the new bedroom-tax, this is what they had to say:






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"The plastic face forced to portray, all the insides left cold and gray...."
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A recipe for sleepless nights: Vote to throw out 'bedroom tax' fails in Parliament 13 Nov 2013 19:38 #8

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Meaning that there are people that will go hungry and possibly become homeless/destitute over this bullshit while these low-life cocksuckers go play fairy-tale dress-up at the magic castle.
"The plastic face forced to portray, all the insides left cold and gray...."
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A recipe for sleepless nights: Vote to throw out 'bedroom tax' fails in Parliament 13 Nov 2013 19:44 #9

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phemohilia wrote:
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They have the trained monkeys to protect them and all their gold, and that little crown on that womans head.

:bacon:
I remember the good old days, when 90+ year olds in nursing homes lived forever. Darn this pesky virus.

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A recipe for sleepless nights: Vote to throw out 'bedroom tax' fails in Parliament 13 Nov 2013 19:56 #10

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novum wrote:

They have the trained monkeys to protect them and all their gold, and that little crown on that womans head.

:bacon:

Their own slave-race of ManBearPigs. :D
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A recipe for sleepless nights: Vote to throw out 'bedroom tax' fails in Parliament 13 Nov 2013 20:21 #11

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pheony wrote:
diamondgeezer wrote:
I'm seeing/hearing echoes of the infamous Poll Tax.

Not the same thing...the bedroom tax only affects certain individuals.

Yes I know.

Its a 'benefit tax', exclusively. Which makes it even worse than the poll tax really doesn't it.
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