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TOPIC: Putin 'attacks free speech'

Putin 'attacks free speech' 04 Dec 2013 04:32 #1

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The response came when Putin was meeting law students at the Moscow State University and one of them asked about the president’s attitude to the suggestion to criminalize public calls for the breakup of the country.

“It is stated directly [in the Constitution] that the state must provide the territorial integrity of the country and thus, any talk about dividing any territories from the Russian Federation are anti-constitutional,” Putin said.

“These are jaw flappers, not serious people. Or they are people who serve the interests of other states,” the Russian leader said, adding that the state must protect any part of Russia – the Arctic, the north, the south or the east of Russia.

The President emphasized that the authorities would always react to separatist statements. “We cannot just pass by without noticing such things. We must always react to the words and even more so to the deeds,” he told the students, adding that the response must be proportionate.

The exact form of responsibility must be determined by professional lawyers and approved by the parliament, Vladimir Putin concluded.

In October this year the leader of the Russian Communists, Gennadiy Zyuganov told a party plenum that calls for a breakup of the Russian Federation are inspired by the ‘Imperial West’ and should be punished by a jail term. According to Zyuganov, Russia is facing a new wave of colonization and the attempts to cause strife between Russia’s numerous peoples and ethnic groups were a part of that major plan.
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Putin 'attacks free speech' 05 Dec 2013 08:56 #2

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Well... After Soviet Union crumbled, nothing much changed but the name. That's what I've been told by quite a few Russians. Same things are still fucked up, more or less. And it seems that Russia is going towards a medieval police state style these days with all sorts of crazy laws. Like the "gay propaganda" thing. It makes absolutely no sense, other than its also an attack on individual freedom, the kind of freedom which is very much about freedom of speech, ideas and so on. Those beautiful words are just that, words, I'm yet to see a place where people would really be free to express their opinions and stuff. On the internet maybe.

What Putin is saying here seems to be that the state is above everything and people should just blindly follow what ever the state wants them to do, say, think etc. The ideal state would be the one which exist not for them selves, but for the people who they represent, unfortunately that does not exist. And in most countries the "state", fucking nonentity, goes against its idea and people still think they're there for "us".

I think people should have the freedom to talk about separating from their "state" if they want to... But no, no no, it's anti-constitutional to even speak about it... Sounds quite Soviet doesn't it?
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Putin 'attacks free speech' 05 Dec 2013 13:13 #3

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Russian pathology. There is deep in Russian culture the belief in the strong man, the leader, who has the right over life and death. If you look through history the leaders they esteem the most are also the most autocratic, the ones that stamp hardest on the opposition.Also along with this is the view that the individual should right or wrong sacrifice themselves to the state. It is this aspect of their culture, and it may be this aspect alone that places them outside European culture.
This may seem an odd thing to say about a people who's culture especially through writers has given Europe so much, but I find them very foreign. I have often been told but actually never checked it, that Marx was very disparaging about the Russians, and said they would not be ready for a socialist state for hundreds of years.
What we are hearing from both Putin and the communist leader who is on the other extreme of Russian politics is the same Russian view, the state is all, and if you are not part of it you are its enemy.
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Putin 'attacks free speech' 05 Dec 2013 13:22 #4

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If you look through history the leaders they esteem the most are also the most autocratic, the ones that stamp hardest on the opposition.Also along with this is the view that the individual should right or wrong sacrifice themselves to the state.

Yes, and we know what that is known as don't we. Fascism.

Far left, far right, same thing.
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Putin 'attacks free speech' 05 Dec 2013 19:50 #5

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I think this "leader worship" thing has something to do with Russian psyche, although not everybody are like that in there... I also find Russians often hard to understand. Many times how they think about things and what they do goes way over my comprehension. Like Russian party culture. Its totally different from ours. Many other things are also... But this is going off the rails atm.
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