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Young people 'feel they have nothing to live for' 02 Jan 2014 14:16 #1

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As many as three quarters of a million young people in the UK may feel that they have nothing to live for, a study for the Prince's Trust charity claims.

The trust says almost a third of long-term unemployed young people have contemplated taking their own lives.

Urgent action must be taken to prevent the young jobless becoming the young hopeless, it says.

The government commented that it was doing "everything possible" to help young people find work.

Last month, figures from the Office for National Statistics showed the UK unemployment rate had fallen to its lowest level since 2009, with the number of people out of work falling by 99,000 to 2.39 million in the three months to October.

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The Prince's Trust Macquarie Youth Index was based on interviews with 2,161 16 to 25-year-olds. Of these, 281 were classified as Neet (not in employment, education or training) and 166 of these Neets had been unemployed for over six months.

The report found 9% of all respondents agreed with the statement: "I have nothing to live for" and said if 9% of all youngsters felt the same, it would equate to some 751,230 young people feeling they had nothing to live for.

Among those respondents classified as Neet, the percentage of those agreeing with the statement rose to 21%.

The research found that long-term unemployed young people were more than twice as likely as their peers to have been prescribed anti-depressants.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-25559089

Does anyone know if the comment below is true, regarding pay?

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"Government doing all they can, how can you ask young people to do apprenticeships when they only get paid £2.68 a hour that is a disgrace especially the price of travel, then they have to pay for there lunches, and even a apprenticeship is guaranteed"
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Young people 'feel they have nothing to live for' 02 Jan 2014 14:43 #2

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I would have thought if this risible pay rate were true it would have been splashed all over the tabloids by now, they may like to side with tptb but they love a good shit stir scandal too.
I'm calling bluff on this.
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Young people 'feel they have nothing to live for' 02 Jan 2014 14:47 #3

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vambo wrote:
I would have thought if this risible pay rate were true it would have been splashed all over the tabloids by now, they may like to side with tptb but they love a good shit stir scandal too.
I'm calling bluff on this.

Looks like it's true.....

The current minimum wage rate for an apprentice is £2.68 per hour. This rate applies to apprentices aged 16 to 18 and those aged 19 or over who are in their first year.

www.gov.uk/apprenticeships-guide/pay-and-holidays

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Young people 'feel they have nothing to live for' 02 Jan 2014 15:39 #4

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The government commented that it was doing "everything possible" to help young people find work.


Yes of course it is. :roll:

Last month, figures from the Office for National Statistics showed the UK unemployment rate had fallen to its lowest level since 2009, with the number of people out of work falling by 99,000 to 2.39 million in the three months to October.


Another outright lie.

They're doctoring the figures all over the place. If a youngster is on Workfare....not on the stats. etc etc.
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Young people 'feel they have nothing to live for' 02 Jan 2014 15:54 #5

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pheony wrote:
vambo wrote:
I would have thought if this risible pay rate were true it would have been splashed all over the tabloids by now, they may like to side with tptb but they love a good shit stir scandal too.
I'm calling bluff on this.

Looks like it's true.....

The current minimum wage rate for an apprentice is £2.68 per hour. This rate applies to apprentices aged 16 to 18 and those aged 19 or over who are in their first year.

www.gov.uk/apprenticeships-guide/pay-and-holidays

Welcome to TZ, vambo. :)

Crikey, I'm speechless, just speechless. WTF is the incentive?
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Young people 'feel they have nothing to live for' 02 Jan 2014 16:04 #6

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Sad, but then again what do people in the 3rd world who have nothing live for?
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Young people 'feel they have nothing to live for' 02 Jan 2014 16:05 #7

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If they are living with a parent then the wage isn't too bad. And after their apprenticeship they will be qualified in whatever they've been training in..You can't expect the government to pay youngsters £200 plus a week on a apprenticeship...that would be insane. I think the problem is that there are not enough apprentice schemes that are distributed evenly around the country.
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Young people 'feel they have nothing to live for' 02 Jan 2014 16:11 #8

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.......... wrote:
Sad, but then again what do people in the 3rd world who have nothing live for?

I grew up in the " 3rd world " most of them(africa,asia,latin america) are just happy as long as they have a roof over their head and food in their bellies, Everything else is a bonus....sounds patronising :D ....but I've seen it and lived it.
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Young people 'feel they have nothing to live for' 02 Jan 2014 20:10 #9

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A lot of these apprenticeships being advertised on the job sites recently.
Apparently the employer can get a £1500 grant (up to ten times) plus any training costs etc.
www.gov.uk/apprenticeships-guide/employers-taking-on-an-apprentice
Seems like a rehash of the YTS with a better political spin on it.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Youth_Training_Scheme
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Young people 'feel they have nothing to live for' 02 Jan 2014 20:34 #10

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Some people think it used to be worse than this in the recent past....under Thatcher's government back in the 80's for example.

Well I can tell you for a fact that its grimmer now, because I was there as a teenager in the 1980's, and things weren't like this.
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Young people 'feel they have nothing to live for' 02 Jan 2014 20:41 #11

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diamondgeezer wrote:
Some people think it used to be worse than this in the recent past....under Thatcher's government back in the 80's for example.

Well I can tell you for a fact that its grimmer now, because I was there as a teenager in the 1980's, and things weren't like this.

Elaborate on that some DG.

I think its fair to say things in America are no worse than the 80's but...idk
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Young people 'feel they have nothing to live for' 02 Jan 2014 20:52 #12

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Elaborate on that some DG.

ok

When I was 16 (in 1981) you could walk into some sort of job anytime, no problem. I've walked out of one in the morning and got another one by teatime more than once..

ok they weren't great jobs with great money...but at least the employer knew you had that option.

Not like that for kids now here in the UK.
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Young people 'feel they have nothing to live for' 02 Jan 2014 21:15 #13

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diamondgeezer wrote:
Elaborate on that some DG.

ok

When I was 16 (in 1981) you could walk into some sort of job anytime, no problem. I've walked out of one in the morning and got another one by teatime more than once..

ok they weren't great jobs with great money...but at least the employer knew you had that option.

Not like that for kids now here in the UK.

Why are there no jobs now?
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Young people 'feel they have nothing to live for' 02 Jan 2014 21:54 #14

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Why are there no jobs now?

A combination of factors/causes, including (in my opinion)

UK government policies over the last few decades, especially this present one, and the previous one.

The European Union (mass uncontrolled immigration and even more to come as of yesterday) in an already overpopulated country.

And the fact that we're all generally more economically fucked because the UK doesn't actually produce anything any more.

Made in China....it's cheaper.
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Young people 'feel they have nothing to live for' 02 Jan 2014 22:16 #15

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diamondgeezer wrote:
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Why are there no jobs now?

A combination of factors/causes, including (in my opinion)

UK government policies over the last few decades, especially this present one, and the previous one.

The European Union (mass uncontrolled immigration and even more to come as of yesterday) in an already overpopulated country.

And the fact that we're all generally more economically fucked because the UK doesn't actually produce anything any more.

Made in China....it's cheaper.

If the UK is so bad why is it an overpopulated country? And why is immigration there so popular?

Same could be said about the US not producing anything anymore.

Yet people still shop at Walmart knowing it's all made in China so there will be no sympathy.

If people cared they would boycott Walmart but they don't.
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Young people 'feel they have nothing to live for' 02 Jan 2014 22:29 #16

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If the UK is so bad why is it an overpopulated country? And why is immigration there so popular?

More recently because of being in the EU - but it's a deeper rooted & older problem, just the numbers weren't so bad.
It's such a popular destination because of it's wonderful benefits system - meaning an immigrant takes priority over someone who's worked & paid taxes all their life - they get to be front of the queue for housing e.g.
And that's mostly because of euro political correctness.

The country is screwed dots, way to late to undo the damage that has been done.
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Young people 'feel they have nothing to live for' 02 Jan 2014 22:32 #17

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If the UK is so bad why is it an overpopulated country? And why is immigration there so popular?

Its been overpopulated for a long time. The industrial revolution started here. England has got massive cities/conurbations for such a small country.

Why is immigration to here so popular? Because we're seen as a soft touch compared to most of the rest of western europe welfare state-wise.
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Young people 'feel they have nothing to live for' 02 Jan 2014 22:38 #18

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Why is immigration to here so popular? Because we're seen as a soft touch compared to most of the rest of western europe welfare state-wise.

How long do people have to live in the UK before they can get money via welfare?
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^If our country would reside in a central location like UK, we too would have crazy mass immigration here.^

Our fine little government is handing money for immigrants by truckloads.
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Young people 'feel they have nothing to live for' 02 Jan 2014 22:40 #20

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.......... wrote:
diamondgeezer wrote:

Why is immigration to here so popular? Because we're seen as a soft touch compared to most of the rest of western europe welfare state-wise.

How long do people have to live in the UK before they can get money via welfare?

I think the length of time someone has to be in the UK to receive benefits, has recently changed. It would also depend on circumstances.

www.nidirect.gov.uk/benefits-for-non-uk-nationals
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