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The Ukraine 27 Jan 2014 19:06 #1

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We need to emulate the Ukraine worldwide... Its time for a global revolution to defeat the false left right capitalist system... :killinme:
Ukraine justice minister in state of emergency warning

The BBC's Matthew Price reports from inside the occupied Ukrainian justice ministry in Kiev
Ukraine's justice minister has warned anti-government protesters occupying her ministry she will call for a state of emergency if they do not leave.

Olena Lukash told local media she would ask the National Security and Defence Council to introduce the measures.

The ministry became the latest government building to be occupied on Sunday, with protesters setting up bags of snow as barricades outside.

Unrest and occupations of municipal buildings are spreading across Ukraine.
Buildings have come under attack even in eastern areas, which have traditionally had closer ties with Russia and where President Viktor Yanukovych has enjoyed strong support.

The crisis was sparked by the president's decision not to sign a deal with the European Union, and has escalated with the deaths of four activists in recent days.

Correspondents say protesters entered the justice ministry building in the capital without resistance.

"The seizure of the Ministry of Justice is a symbolic act of the people of the uprising. Now, these authorities are stripped of justice," one protester told reporters.

One of the organisers of the occupation, who gave his name as Oleg, told the Associated Press news agency: "We are not going to do any hooliganism, or have anyone hurt. We are peaceful people, we are for justice."

But Ms Lukash told Inter TV channel: "If the protesters do not leave the justice ministry building... I will ask the National Security and Defence Council of Ukraine to impose the state of emergency."

The minister is an ally of President Yanukovych and involved in the ongoing negotiations between the government and protest leaders.
Ukraine Justice Minister Olena Lukash Olena Lukash has been closely involved in talks between the government and the protesters

She said she would be "forced to turn to the Ukrainian president with a request to stop the negotiations unless the justice ministry building is vacated without delay and the negotiators are given a chance to find a peaceful solution to the conflict".

Last week, the parliament of the Crimean Autonomous Republic - seen as a staunch supporter of Mr Yanukovych - also urged the president to declare a state of emergency.

The BBC's David Stern in Kiev says it is not clear what such a measure would involve, but could entail the army being deployed.

The government has previously insisted it would not resort to the army, a measure our correspondent says would likely further antagonise the protesters and worsen the violence.

The parliament is due to meet for an extraordinary session on Tuesday, but the speaker has previously said a state of emergency will not be under discussion.

The EU delegation to Ukraine has called for the government to abide by promises it makes to protesters, and to revoke the protest laws.

In a statement, it expressed concern over reports of human rights abuses, and called on protesters to remain peaceful and distance themselves from violence.

The EU's enlargement commissioner Stefan Fule is returning to Kiev on Monday for talks with both sides on ending the crisis.
Spreading east

Street protests began in Kiev in November, after President Yanukovych announced he would not sign the long-awaited EU free trade agreement.

The protesters were further angered by the introduction of new laws last week aimed at cracking down on unrest by banning tents being put up in public places and the wearing of helmets and masks.

The opposition is demanding that the EU deal be signed, political prisoners - including former Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko - freed and the new laws repealed.

The fresh unrest comes after opposition leader Arseniy Yatsenyuk rejected President Yanukovych's offer to appoint him prime minister, saying the key demands must be met.

Although the protest movement - the EuroMaidan - is largely peaceful, a hardcore of radicals have been fighting battles with police away from the main protest camp in Kiev's Maidan, or Independence Square.

The unrest is now spreading further into the country's east, which is seen as Mr Yanukovych's support base.

Unrest was also reported across the country, with protests and at least a dozen attempts - some successful - to seize government buildings.

Towns and cities affected include: Zaporizhzhya and Dnipropetrovsk in the south-east, Cherkasy, south of Kiev: the main western city of Lviv: Chernihiv and Sumy in the north and Odessa on the Black Sea coast.

Key dates

21 Nov 2013: Ukraine announces it will not sign a deal aimed at strengthening ties with the EU

30 Nov: Riot police detain dozens of anti-government protesters in a violent crackdown in Kiev

17 Dec: Russia agrees to buy $15bn of Ukrainian government bonds and slash the price of gas it sells to the country

22 Jan 2014: Two protesters die from bullet wounds during clashes with police in Kiev; protests spread across many cities

25 Jan: President Yanukovych offers senior jobs to the opposition, including that of prime minister, but these are rejected

Analysis
David Stern BBC News, Kiev

At the moment, Ukrainian officials are only discussing the possibility of introducing a state of emergency.

The question at the heart of the debate is whether the government can count on the loyalty of enough troops to first clear the streets of Ukraine's cities, and then deal with the inevitable violent backlash.

Nobody knows where the sympathies lie of each and every one of the country's soldiers, interior troops, riot police and other forces at the government's disposal.

But it is safe to say that a large number of those who come from the country's centre and west, where the protest movement is strongest, would refuse to follow orders from President Viktor Yanukovych - just as their neighbours, friends and family members are refusing to relinquish central squares in Kiev and elsewhere in the country.

If authorities do choose to crack down, and they don't have enough forces on their side, then, instead of restoring order to the country, it would very likely spell the end of Mr Yanukovych.
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The Ukraine 27 Jan 2014 22:29 #2

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The BBC are establishment patsies for a start ;) But what we have going on here is another Soros money backed overthrow attempt. Did you see the pictures of those very well equipped rioters... more like fully trained agitators specially trained for the event.
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The Ukraine 29 Jan 2014 13:33 #3

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Were Femen there with their tits out?
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The Ukraine 08 Mar 2014 13:34 #4

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Jamie wrote:
Were Femen there with their tits out?


No. The boobies were busy exposing their prepubescent boobies in Dresden.

FEMEN DRESDEN MEMORIAL DAY
BOMBER HARRIS DO IT AGAIN!
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News you won't read or hear in the msm

FACTS ABOUT "PEACEFUL DEMONSTRATORS"

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“Arseniy Petrovych Yatsenyuk was born on May 22, 1974 in Chernivtsi, Ukraine (then part of the Soviet Union). He was born to in a family of ethnic Jewish-Ukrainian[6] [7] [8] professors ….” (wiki)

“Yatsenyuk’s Jewish heritage could make him vulnerable …. ” www.taraskuzio.net/media18_files/105.pdf

With some of his female handlers and
Kazmierczak's aka Merkel's toyboy Klitschko






“Nuland is the daughter of Yale bioethics and medicine professor Sherwin B. Nuland, the family’s original surname being Nudelman. One of Victoria’s grandfathers was Meyer Nudelman from a family of Jewish immigrants who came to New York City from the Russian Empire.” (wiki)
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People getting shot by snipers in Kiev
not by Berkut!
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Check out this video. Specially the old man in the end, now there's some guts! :) I wish those kids in uniforms would be like that...
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US paramilitary mercenaries for hire, Blackwater, aggressively "protesting" in eastern ukraine
Amateur videos have been circulated over the internet alleging that armed forces from the infamous U.S. private security service formerly known as Blackwater roam around in eastern Ukrainian city of Donetsk.

In the footage, unidentified armed men in military outfits equipped with Russian AK assault rifles and American M4A1 carbines are securing the protection of some pro-Kiev activists amidst anti-government protests, RT reported. 

The authenticity of videos allegedly made in downtown Donetsk on March 5 is hard to verify.

The protesters in the footage, after several moments of shock, start shouting, “Blackwater!,” and “Mercenaries!,” as well as “Faggots!,” and “Who are you going to shoot at?!” But the armed men drive off in the blink of an eye without saying a word.

Blackwater does not exist anymore. It has changed its name twice in recent years and is now called Academi.

 At the beginning of the week, Russian state TV reported that several hundred armed men with military-looking bags arrived to the international airport of Kiev.

Meanwhile, Russia's Foreign Ministry said on Monday it was outraged by lawlessness in eastern Ukraine, blaming the far-right paramilitary movement Right Sector for "conniving" with the new government in Kiev.

According to Reuters, Russia accused the West of being silent over violence and detentions taking place there against Russian compatriots.

The ministry said in a statement masked men had opened fire on peaceful demonstrators in the eastern city of Kharkiv on March 8, wounding some.

It also said seven Russian journalists had been detained in the eastern city of Dnipropetrovsk, suggesting the new leaders and their Western allies were not committed to media freedoms.

"The shamefaced silence of our Western partners, human rights organizations and foreign media is surprising. It raises the question - where is the notorious objectivity and commitment to democracy?" it said.

In another development, Crimea's pro-Russian prime minister will give people living there the choice of taking Russian or Ukrainian passports if the Ukrainian territory becomes part of Russia in a March 16 referendum, RIA news agency reported on Monday.

Sergei Aksyonov, who declared himself provincial leader almost two weeks ago after Russians seized the parliament building, told the Russian news agency that Crimea would also encourage the use of two languages - Russian and Crimean Tatar.

Crimea's 2 million population, the focus of an increasingly bitter struggle for influence in Ukraine between East and West, has a narrow ethnic Russian majority but also includes more than 250,000 indigenous Tatars, who have returned since the 1980s after being deported by Stalin. They oppose Russian annexation.

"We will not insist on the necessity of returning Ukrainian passports," Aksyonov said.

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And you have jewish owned western media sources like the Guardian, shilling away urging readers to not believe "Russian Propaganda" that the West has supported a neo-nazi into office in Kiev!!!! LOL

Papers like the Guardian shill western propaganda on a daily basis and expect it to be believed and then turn around and assert readers to not listen to Russia's statements as they are propaganda!!

Hilarious

The key protesting figure is a disclosed neo-nazi isn't he?
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McCain: 'Russia is a gas station masquerading as a country'

Sen. John McCain returned from a trip to Ukraine on Sunday, calling for "a fundamental re-assessment" of the United States' relationship with Russian Vladimir Putin.

“No more reset buttons," McCain told Candy Crowley on CNN's "State of the Union." “No more reset buttons, no more ‘Tell Vladimir I’ll be more flexible.’ Treat him for what he is. That does not mean re-ignition of the Cold War. But it does mean treating him in the way that we understand an individual who believes in restoring the old Russian empire.”

McCain, who has been critical of the Obama administration's response to the crisis in Crimea, said the White House should target Russia's oil exports.

"Russia is a gas station masquerading as a country,” McCain said. “It’s kleptocracy, it’s corruption. It’s a nation that’s really only dependent upon oil and gas for their economy. And so economic sanctions are important. Get some military assistance to Ukrainians, at least so they can defend themselves. Resume the missile defense system in Poland and the Czech Republic. Look at Moldova and Georgia, both of whom are occupied by Russian troops as we speak, a path toward membership in NATO.”

Speaking in Kiev with a delegation of fellow U.S. senators on Saturday, McCain called for the United States to provide long-term military support — both "lethal and non-lethal" equipment — to Ukraine. "[It is] the right and decent thing to do," McCain said.

In a New York Times op-ed published Saturday, the Republican senator sharpened his criticism of the president.

"Crimea has exposed the disturbing lack of realism that has characterized our foreign policy under President Obama," McCain wrote. "It is this worldview, or lack of one, that must change."

McCain added: "Crimea must be the place where President Obama recognizes this reality and begins to restore the credibility of the United States as a world leader."

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Russian Broadcaster Warns of Turning US Into 'Radioactive Dust'

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A prominent Russian TV presenter is getting a lot of attention in foreign media for warning that Russia could nuke the US into oblivion.

Dmitry Kiselyov hosts an influential Sunday evening program on the main state-owned channel and last night he posed in front of a mushroom cloud graphic and ranted about how Russia is the only country in the world still capable of turning the US into "radioactive dust." He also suggested Obama's hair is graying due to fears about Russia's nuclear arsenal.

Kiselyov is known as a firebrand and last year his diatribe about gays also generated headlines in the west.

He's also essentially the Kremlin's propaganda chief, the head of a new state-owned media group aimed at improving Russia’s message at home and abroad. It's important to see his latest comments in that light: propaganda, not necessarily policy.

His comments seem intended to reassure the public here that Russia - a day after being isolated at the UN and on the cusp of being isolated economically from the world - is still a mighty nation capable of standing tall on its own.

It's the distillation of Putin's nationalistic swing in recent years. Who cares about foreign criticism and sanctions? Russia is an exceptional nation with superior values that are lost in the morally decaying West that is clawing to maintain its edge.

Kiselyov is selling Putin's dream of the return of Russian might - the return of glory and empire lost - as the Kremlin flexes its muscles and reasserts itself on the world stage.

Is Russia really prepared to nuke the US? Extremely unlikely. But Kiselyov - and Putin - want to remind the Russian people that they can.

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Ukraine crisis: Russia warns West over Crimea sanction.

Russia has told the US that Western sanctions over the Crimea dispute are unacceptable, and has threatened "consequences".

Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov issued the warning in a telephone call to US Secretary of State John Kerry.

It came hours after Russian and Crimean leaders signed a treaty absorbing the peninsula into the Russian Federation following a disputed referendum.

On Wednesday there were reports of an incident at a naval base in Sevastopol.

An Associated Press reporter at the scene said pro-Russian self-defence forces had broken into the building - the headquarters of the Ukrainian navy - and raised the Russian flag.

But the Ukrainian navy told the BBC a group of civilians who said the base was now on Russian territory had gone into the building to persuade the Ukrainian troops to leave.

'Democratic choice'
A spokesman for Russian President Vladimir Putin told the BBC the treaty signed on Tuesday was already in effect, and Crimea was now part of Russia.

The BBC's Richard Galpin in Moscow says that although it must be approved by Russia's constitutional court and ratified by parliament, there is no doubt MPs will give their full backing when they vote on Friday.

On Monday, the US and the EU imposed sanctions on several officials from Russia and Ukraine accused of involvement in Moscow's actions in the Black Sea peninsula......

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Latest video from Crimea on Vicenews:

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I don't know what to think about Vice anyway... How biased are they? Some times it feels they're giving a one sided view of things. Can't be sure. I hate this, trying to know what's going on in the world and you go and listen to both sides of the story and never know who's lying.
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Putin signs treaty to add Crimea to map of Russia

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Russia's President Vladimir Putin addresses the Federation Council in Moscow's Kremlin on Tuesday, March 18, 2014. Putin defended Russia?s move to annex Crimea, saying that the rights of ethnic Russians have been abused by the Ukrainian government. He pointed at the example of Kosovo?s independence bid supported by the West, and said that Crimea?s secession from Ukraine repeated Ukraine?s own secession from the Soviet Union in 1991. (AP Photo/Alexander Zemlianichenko)

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You know what's funny little thing to think about... There's 80k ethnic Russians living in Finland at the moment. When will a need arise to "defend their rights?" Luckily there's no Russian military bases in here. And we're not on strategically important spot... And Finland is not part of NATO :roll:
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You know what's funny little thing to think about... There's 80k ethnic Russians living in Finland at the moment. When will a need arise to "defend their rights?" Luckily there's no Russian military bases in here. And we're not on strategically important spot... And Finland is not part of NATO :roll:

Former General: "They wouldn’t dare come here"

Former Defence Forces Commander, retired General Gustav Hägglund, said that Finland should look to its defence, however, he does not believe that that the country has reason for concern. He was one of three experts in an Yle discussion Wednesday morning on Russia's latest moves and their impact on great-power politics and on Finland.

During the discussion, which touched upon the political and security issues around recent events in Crimea, General Hägglund said that he doesn't believe that Finland has reason to worry.

"They wouldn’t dare come here. They know that they'd get a bloody nose. We stand by our historic achievements. We have a different background than Eastern European countries that were conquered and occupied," Hägglund stated. "This is a tough nut to crack, this Finland"......

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Hägglund is just spweing the good old Winterwar '39 myths here, they wouldn't dare.... I call bullshit, they do dare if there would be a reason to do so. They wouldn't dare to attack was the idea whichFinnish politicians had just before Winterwar started.

But there's one thing, Finns fight like animals when they're cornered. Its the Finnish psyche, everybody's all calm and diplomatic, but if SHTF, they stand up and fight and usually don't give up until they're dead.

Russia has used this same type of ideology before, this "defending Russian(speaking) peoples rights" in other countries... They used this in Estonia, but that was only about an argument over a placement of Soviet made war monument. The whole crimea thing is much different. Of course they need a 'justification' for what ever they do to make them look great.. What's more righteous thing for Putin to do than to "defend" the fellow Russian(skeaping) people.

I'm just wondering, would they militarily or otherwise violate Finnish sovereingty(Or the ruins of it!) if their interests or interests of ethnic Russians living here were somehow compromized? I seriously think they would, but a military confrontation with Finland, they wouldn't do that in haste, they know the history, they know the wins and losses of WWll and wars before that. Finns have fought many wars with Russia, both won and lost and Russia knows how stubborn Finnish defense might be.

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Of course Hägglund says that kind of stuff... Finnish army has had a lot of talk going on about 'maintaining a credible defense' in last couple of years. That's meant to show the world that 'yea, we can defend against Russia'. In reality Finnish army is a insignificantly small compared to what Russia has. Yea, they have old tech and so on, but Russian army outnumbers its Finnish counterpart so badly, I don't think our guys would stand much of a chance. Well, hard to tell any fact about this, I didn't go to the army, so I don't know so much about their defensive capabilities. Only thing Finnish army has a lot is reservists...
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