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Chinese Spring comes late this year... 29 Sep 2014 19:20 #1

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Top billing BBC News...


China's leaders must be sitting uncomfortably in Beijing.
As long as the protests continue, there is a chance they will spread to the mainland, where many are unhappy with one-party rule.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-29418179

So let's see, Russia has Ukraine, China has Hong Kong, and Israel has ISIS attacking its enemies

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oh, and EM is in overdrive, no doubt a mission
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Chinese Spring comes late this year... 29 Sep 2014 20:01 #2

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Top billing BBC News...


China's leaders must be sitting uncomfortably in Beijing.
As long as the protests continue, there is a chance they will spread to the mainland, where many are unhappy with one-party rule.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-29418179

So let's see, Russia has Ukraine, China has Hong Kong, and Israel has ISIS attacking its enemies

edit

oh, and EM is in overdrive, no doubt a mission

China has its own huge muslim problem which is developing at a fast rate in the Xinjiang region, do keep up :umm:
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Chinese Spring comes late this year... 29 Sep 2014 20:16 #3

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See what I mean.? On a mission...
To understand who rules over you look to whom you tube can't criticise

The media isn't there to cover the news
It's there to cover the news up

All establishment lies pass through three stages
First, they are accepted as being self evident
Second, they are exposed by diligent research
Third, they are enforced

"Communism is the bloodiest, most difficult and the most terrible way from capitalism to capitalism" from Under the Sign of the Scorpion by Juri Lina
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Chinese Spring comes late this year... 29 Sep 2014 23:32 #4

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The protests in Hong Kong have occurred as people are angry about restrictions Beijing has imposed on the process of the elections of the city’s leader.

People of the "Hong Kong Special Administrative Region" want to elect its chief executive by universal suffrage starting from 2017. But the Standing Committee of the National People’s Congress ruled that candidates for the vote would have to be first approved by a nominating committee controlled by Beijing. Protesters argue that the measure contradicts true democracy.

HK citizens have always strongly fought for democratic rights and "freedoms". They have no army to tackle China ... they're part of China ... but they know how to protest.
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Chinese Spring comes late this year... 30 Sep 2014 03:36 #5

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Kick over a rock....
The face of Hong Kong’s student democracy movement came under furious attack by a pro-Beijing newspaper today, upping the ante in the fight over the former British colony’s political future.

On Thursday, Wen Wei Po published an “expose” into what it described as the U.S. connections of Joshua Wong, the 17 year-old leader of student group Scholarism.

wakeupfromyourslumber.com/news/pro-beijing-media-accuses-hong-kong-student-leader-us-government-ties
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Chinese Spring comes late this year... 30 Sep 2014 10:37 #6

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See what I mean.? On a mission...

:larf:

What do you mean?

Fact is China has a much greater problem in the Xinjiang region, which has steadily become more volatile over the last few years.
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Chinese Spring comes late this year... 30 Sep 2014 11:04 #7

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rodin wrote:
Kick over a rock....
The face of Hong Kong’s student democracy movement came under furious attack by a pro-Beijing newspaper today, upping the ante in the fight over the former British colony’s political future.

On Thursday, Wen Wei Po published an “expose” into what it described as the U.S. connections of Joshua Wong, the 17 year-old leader of student group Scholarism.

wakeupfromyourslumber.com/news/pro-beijing-media-accuses-hong-kong-student-leader-us-government-ties
Doesn't surprise me at all Rodin.

I was listening to our BBC equivalent today and heard them shill the story of Chinese fear of democracy on the mainland.

The Chinese population by and large is very happy with their government and how things are for them in life. This generation has a far better life than the one before, and so will the next.

It doesn't surprise me at all that the US is behind this to try and start to destabilize China politically. I can't see that happening at all ... though the BS that gets spewed out by our MSM obviously wants to make us feel otherwise.
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Chinese Spring comes late this year... 06 Oct 2014 12:21 #8

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rodin wrote:
See what I mean.? On a mission...

... hyping the CIA sponsored "muslim problem" in Xinjiang province. Border region to Russia.

A picture, no more words needed...




You know, their online brigades are the cockroaches of imperial loyal idiots.
Xinjiang is a muslim province. :facepalm:
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please make my profile inactive, I no longer want to have any connection to this forum.

yet he is trolling further. :facepalm:

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the lice are only going to jump onto other typhus victim

Prime example of holocaustianity mental issues, clinically insane, and utterly ill informed, a danger to public health if this dude was working for CDC.
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Chinese Spring comes late this year... 15 Oct 2014 06:46 #9

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Why is the US Navy practising for war with China?


The US prefers to talk about engaging with China, but it is clear its navy is now also practising for a potential conflict, reports the BBC's Rupert Wingfield-Hayes.

You don't get invited out on a US nuclear aircraft carrier all that often, and after writing this I might not get invited back for a while.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-29547621

Hong Kong protests: Clashes as police clear road

Umbrella schtick



This story has top billing BBC right now, above ISIS, Ebola etc

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-29623396
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Chinese Spring comes late this year... 15 Oct 2014 09:17 #10

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Australia is getting the same type of coverage ... to reinforce the rhetoric "communism is evil ... people want democracy".

Chinese communism is nothing like Soviet (Jewish) communism. Though the MSM brainwashing doesn't fill the sheep in on that.

The vast majority of Chinese people are happy with their life in China.

HK is different as it was a British colony ... but it's now part of China and no doubt anti-China sentiment is being whipped up by US shit stirring and payments to the young naive and idealistic ... which of course the MSM cover to show "unrest under the communist controlling government"

I think Britain is still butt hurt at losing HK ... and I'm sure that comes through in the BBC coverage at least.
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Chinese Spring comes late this year... 15 Oct 2014 10:01 #11

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CHINA’S MOST DANGEROUS MISSILE (SO FAR)

Robert Haddick

July 2, 2014 

Buried on page 40 of the Pentagon’s latest annual reporton China’s military power is a brief mention of the YJ-12, a recent addition to China’s portfolio of anti-ship cruise missiles (ASCM). The report notes that, “The new missile provides an increased threat to naval assets, due to its long range and supersonic speeds.” True, but in an understated way. In fact, the YJ-12 is the most dangerous anti-ship missile China has produced thus far, posing an even greater risk to the U.S. Navy’s surface forces in the Western Pacific than the much-discussed DF-21D anti-ship ballistic missile. The arrival of the YJ-12 is one more indication of how the U.S. Navy is falling further behind in the missile competition against China, exposing flaws in operating concepts that U.S. and allied commanders and policymakers have relied on for years.

According to a 2011 study that appeared inNaval War College Review, the YJ-12 ASCM has a range of 400 kilometers, making it one of the longest-ranged ASCMs ever fielded (and much longer than the 124 kilometer limit of the U.S. Navy Harpoon). Crucially, at 400 kilometers, Chinese attack aircraft will be able to launch the YJ-12 beyond the engagement range of the Navy’s Aegis Combat System and the SM-2 surface-to-air missiles that protect U.S. aircraft carrier strike groups. In the past, when adversary ASCMs were limited to 100 kilometers or less, a carrier strike group had more time to react with its own aircraft and defensive missiles. It also had the option of engaging enemy aircraft before they launched their ASCMs, and more redundancy to cope with such attacks. With its 400 kilometer range, the YJ-12 will greatly erode these previous advantages.

A realistic future scenario is an attack on two or more axes by two Chinese Flanker regiments (totaling 48 Su-30 MKK or J-11B Flanker fighter-bomber variants). These Flankers (roughly corresponding to U.S. Air Force F-15E fighter-bombers, capable of supersonic speeds, and possessing a combat radius of 1,500 kilometers) could each be armed with two to four YJ-12 ASCMs. Although the carrier strike group’s combat air patrol could shoot down a few of the Flankers before they launched their missiles, the strike group would still face the prospect of defending against over a hundred supersonic ASCMs approaching from several directions at a wave-top height. The group’s close-in air defenses would have less than 45 seconds to engage the missiles after they appeared on the horizon. The YJ-12s would employ a variety of sensor types to find their targets and execute dramatic cork-screw turns to evade final defenses. A study from the Naval Postgraduate School concluded that in past engagements of anti-ship missiles against alerted surface warships, 32 percent of the attacking missiles scored hits. If only five percent of such a saturation YJ-12 attack impacted targets, it would still be a bad day for the carrier strike group.

The prospective Flanker/YJ-12 combination, eventually capable of reaching targets up to 1,900 kilometers from China, is an even more serious problem for the U.S. Pacific Fleet than is China’s DF-21D anti-ship ballistic missile. That missile, still apparently not tested against a moving target at sea, relies on a fragile network of space-based observation and communication links that will be prime targets for the U.S. during a potential conflict. By contrast, an attack by China’s land-based Flanker regiments would be comparatively straightforward and would rely on overwhelming mass and brute force rather than an exquisite and likely fragile networked communication architecture for success.

Officials in the U.S. Navy are well aware of the missile threat their surface forces face. The Navy plans to win the future “outer air” battle well over the horizon from the carrier strike group by introducing new long-range air and missile defense capabilities to its surface forces. It also plans to network these sensors and weapons into a shared, cooperative “common engagement capability.” Components of this longer-range capability will include the new carrier-based E-2D early warning and control aircraft, the long-range SM-6 surface-to-air missile, the F-35C aircraft, and software that will share information among the various platforms. The Navy’s intent is to restore the status quo prior to the arrival of missiles like the YJ-12, namely the ability to shoot down enemy missile-carrying aircraft at longer ranges and well before they can launch their ASCMs.

We should hope that the Navy’s long-range network engagement plans succeed. But they seem susceptible to the same fragilities the Navy is counting on to thwart the DF-21D anti-ship ballistic missile and its required network architecture. Meanwhile, the simple brute force approach employing saturation ASCM attacks will benefit in the future from even longer-ranged ASCMs equipped with even better target seekers, a trend that has been in place for many years. In this competition, China’s land-based aircraft and missiles seem to possess the competitive cost and technology advantages.

The result is increasing doubts about the U.S. military’s long-standing operating concepts in the Western Pacific. And from those doubts could come increasing confidence by China’s military commanders and policymakers that they and not the U.S. will benefit from escalation during a potential future crisis. If that becomes the case, comparisons between 2014 and 1914 would be right on target.

Robert Haddick is an independent contractor at U.S. Special Operations Command. He writes here in a personal capacity. In September 2014, Naval Institute Press will publish “Fire on the Water: China, America, and the Future of the Pacific,” Haddick’s book on the rise of China’s military power and U.S. strategy in East Asia.
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Chinese Spring comes late this year... 15 Oct 2014 21:43 #12

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Jewish Faces in the Chinese Government
In days past, Jews were more careful to hide themselves in the political arena, preferring to work behind the scenes. But today, Jewish politicians increasingly fill government posts through the power of ethnic networking, the power of media control, and the power of money which can control the outcome of elections by image-crafting.



jewishfaces.com/china.html

The Jewish Origins of Mao’s Communist Regime in China
Another revelation that U.S.A. and western journalists and historians are prohibited from writing about concerns the Jewish origins of Mao Tse Tung’s Red Chinese revolution. In fact, Mao was a stupid and inept Chinese peasant who was schooled by Skull and Bonesmen and initiated into the internationalist Masonic Lodge by socialist Jews from the United States. This was done with the tacit permission of President Franklin D. Roosevelt, a 32nd degree Mason and, later, President Harry S. Truman a 33rd degree Mason.

Mao all along has been a closely-controlled puppet of Jewish revolutionaries—men like Israel Epstein and Sidney Shapiro, who lived in China and had the reins of power over two key areas of Beijing’s Communist Government—the treasury (money) and the media (propaganda).

www.texemarrs.com/092010/triad_of_evil.htm
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Chinese Spring comes late this year... 19 Oct 2014 22:34 #13

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Hong Kong protests: Leader says 'external forces' involved
Hong Kong leader CY Leung has accused "external forces" of involvement in the territory's pro-democracy protests - claims strongly denied by protesters.

In a TV interview, Mr Leung said the rallies, which have paralysed parts of the territory for three weeks, were "out of control" even for organisers.

The protesters are calling for fully democratic elections in Hong Kong.

They are angered by the Chinese government's decision to vet candidates for the leadership polls in 2017.

Police and protesters have scuffled amid tense stand-offs in recent days.

Student leaders and Hong Kong officials have agreed to hold negotiations on Tuesday. The talks will be broadcast live on television.

'Really irresponsible'
Speaking on a local channel, Mr Leung said the protests were "not entirely a domestic movement, as external forces are involved" - although he declined to give details or name the countries he thought were involved.

We can see though



www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-29681684
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Chinese Spring comes late this year... 19 Oct 2014 23:13 #14

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That's obvious isn't it? US shit stirring to try and destabilize.

Zero Hedge covers this story and provides Chinese evidence asserting the US State Department is behind "Occupy Central".
But Chinese officials accuse the U.S. of egging on the protests.  As the Wall Street Journal’s China Real Time blogreports:

On Thursday, Wen Wei Po published an “expose” into what it described as the U.S. connections of Joshua Wong, the 17 year-old leader of student group Scholarism.

The story asserts that “U.S. forces” identified Mr. Wong’s potential three years ago, and have worked since then to cultivate him as a “political superstar.”

Evidence for Mr. Wong’s close ties to the U.S. that the paper cited included what the report described as frequent meetings with U.S. consulate personnel in Hong Kong and covert donations from Americans to Mr. Wong. As evidence, the paper cited photographs leaked by “netizens.” The story also said Mr. Wong’s family visited Macau in 2011 at the invitation of the American Chamber of Commerce, where they stayed at the “U.S.-owned” Venetian Macao, which is owned by Las Vegas Sands Corp.

This isn’t the first time that Beijing-friendly media have accused foreign countries of covert meddling in the former British colony. China’s government has long been concerned that Western intelligence agencies might try to exploit the city’s relatively more open political environment to push democracy in the rest of the country. The various “color revolutions” that ushered in democratic governments across the former Soviet Union in the early 2000s, and which were partly organized by foreign-funded NGOs, heightened those concerns.

Allegations of foreign intervention in Hong Kong have become particularly intense in the run-up to 2017, the earliest that Beijing has said Hong Kong residents can begin to directly elect their leaders. Wen Wei Po and another Beijing-leaning Hong Kong newspaper Ta Kung Pao, for example, have accused the U.K. of stationing British spies across Hong Kong institutions. Pro-Beijing publications have also accused Hong Kong media mogul and staunch Beijing critic Jimmy Lai of having connections with the CIA. Mr. Lai is the founder of Next Media Ltd., which owns the Apple Daily newspapers in Taiwan and Hong Kong, and is a major donor to pro-democracy groups in Hong Kong.

In its report on Mr. Wang, Wen Wei Po said that the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency is making a pointed effort to infiltrate Hong Kong schools, for example through the Hong Kong-America Center, a group headed by former U.S. diplomat Morton Holbrook that promotes H.K.-U.S. ties. It also alleged that the CIA is actively training a new generation of protest leaders in Hong Kong through sponsoring students to study in the U.S., with an aim of stoking future “color revolutions” in the city.

Tony Cartalucci writes:

Behind the so-called “Occupy Central” protests … is a deep and insidious network of foreign financial, political, and media support. Prominent among them is the US State Department and its National Endowment for Democracy (NED) as well as NED’s subsidiary, the National Democratic Institute (NDI).

Now, the US has taken a much more overt stance in supporting the chaos their own manipulative networks have prepared and are now orchestrating. The White House has now officially backed “Occupy Central.” Reuters in its article, “White House Shows Support For Aspirations Of Hong Kong People,” would claim:

The White House is watching democracy protests in Hong Kong closely and supports the “aspirations of the Hong Kong people,” White House spokesman Josh Earnest said on Monday. “

The United States supports universal suffrage in Hong Kong in accordance with the Basic Law and we support the aspirations of the Hong Kong people,” said Earnest, who also urged restraint on both sides.

US State Department Has Built Up and Directs “Occupy Central”

Earnest’s comments are verbatim the demands of “Occupy Central” protest leaders, but more importantly, verbatim the long-laid designs the US State Department’s NDI articulates on its own webpage dedicated to its ongoing meddling in Hong Kong. The term “universal suffrage”and reference to “Basic Law” and its “interpretation” to mean “genuine democracy” is stated clearly on NDI’s website which claims:

The Basic Law put in place a framework of governance, whereby special interest groups, or “functional constituencies,” maintain half of the seats in the Legislative Council (LegCo). At present, Hong Kong’s chief executive is also chosen by an undemocratically selected committee. According to the language of the Basic Law, however, “universal suffrage” is the “ultimate aim.” While “universal suffrage” remains undefined in the law, Hong Kong citizens have interpreted it to mean genuine democracy.
www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-10-01/us-secretly-egging-hong-kong-protesters
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