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The Israel Thread 03 Dec 2014 02:43 #1

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Jews are tearing themselves apart. One can only hope this continues and outside Israel as well.

DECEMBER 03, 2014 8:49AM

ISRAELI Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu called for early elections as he fired two key ministers in his coalition for opposing government policy.

The sackings were the latest move in a political crisis that will come to a head later today when lawmakers vote on a bill to dissolve the parliament, or Knesset.

That would set the stage for a vote expected in March, in what would be Israel’s second general election in just over two years.

“In the current state of affairs, I can’t lead the country,” Mr Netanyahu said.

“This government, since its inception, has been adversarial,” he said, blaming Finance Minister Yair Lapid and Justice Minister Tzipi Livni whom he fired of “acting against the government from within”.

“In a word — it’s called a putsch,” he said of their conduct, accusing them of trying to form an alternative government with ultra-Orthodox members of the coalition.

Mr Netanyahu said he was formulating a law to dissolve the parliament “as soon as possible” ahead of new elections.

“Frequent elections are not a good thing, but a government with no governance and ministers acting against it from within is much worse,” he said in televised remarks.

Mr Lapid’s Yesh Atid party called Mr Netanyahu’s decision to fire the two “an act of cowardice and loss of control,” with Ms Livni saying the election would be a choice between Netanyahu’s “extremism” and her moderate “Zionism”.

The four other Yesh Atid ministers were to resign later, the party said. Cracks in Mr Netanyahu’s right-leaning coalition emerged over the 2015 budget and a contentious bill aimed at enshrining Israel’s status as the Jewish state in law, a move critics say could harm its Arab minority.

The bill was strongly opposed by both Mr Lapid and Ms Livni, who chairs HaTnuah, also centrist.

The two parties account for 25 of the coalition’s 68 seats.

The alliance was pieced together after a January 2013 election, with the next poll theoretically not due until November 2017.

To pass, the vote on dissolving parliament will need an absolute majority within the 120-member Knesset, requiring support from members of the ruling coalition.

Sources in Mr Netanyahu’s Likud party said that members of the coalition were likely to support the bill.

The political tensions peaked on Monday after Netanyahu-Lapid talks aimed at heading off the crisis collapsed.

Mr Netanyahu had demanded Lapid accede to five demands for the government to continue — including agreement to freeze his own flagship initiative for zero percent value-added tax on first home purchases, and to support the Jewish state bill.

Mr Lapid refused, accusing Mr Netanyahu of “irresponsibly” pursuing personal interests over those of the public, saying he “decided to take Israel to unnecessary elections”.

Should the right chalk up gains in a new election, it would diminish even further the chances of resuming dialogue with the Palestinians after the collapse of US-led peace talks in April.

US Secretary of State John Kerry said yesterday he hoped whatever future government formed would be able to “negotiate and move towards resolving differences between Israelis and Palestinians”.

The political comes amid increasing tensions with the Palestinians, with a growing wave of unrest and deadly “lone wolf” attacks.

With peace talks firmly off the agenda, Israel has seen a steady slide to the right.

And as chatter has grown about the possibility of early elections, Mr Netanyahu has taken an increasingly hardline stance, throwing his weight behind controversial rightwing initiatives, notably the Jewish state bill.

Critics say that law, which has yet to be put to a vote, would come at the expense of democracy and would institutionalise discrimination against minorities.

Analysts say Mr Netanyahu’s support for the bill is a gesture to Likud hardliners ahead of party primaries in January.

In the last election, Likud ran on a joint ticket with the hardline Yisrael Beitenu, securing a narrow victory of 31 seats, followed by Yesh Atid with 19.

But the alliance was dismantled this year, leaving Likud with just 18 seats and Yesh Atid the largest party.

A poll on Channel 2 television predicted Likud would receive 22 seats, making Mr Netanyahu the likely candidate to head the next government, while Yesh Atid plummeted to nine seats.
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The Israel Thread 03 Dec 2014 12:08 #2

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UN urges Israel to renounce nuclear arms, join non-proliferation treaty

Published time: December 03, 2014 08:58

The UN General Assembly has passed an Arab-introduced resolution calling on Israel not to develop, produce or possess nuclear arms and criticizing the country for not being part to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (NPT).

The resolution calls on Israel to "accede to that treaty without further delay, not to develop, produce test or otherwise acquire nuclear weapons, to renounce possession of nuclear weapons," and put its nuclear facilities under the safeguard of the UN's International Atomic Energy Agency, AP reports. 

The UN would like to see the whole of the Middle East a nuclear weapons-free zone, according to the text of the document, which specifies Israel is the only country in the region which has not signed the non-proliferation treaty. 

Israel, which is believed to have nuclear arms but has never admitted to it, has long been under fire from Arab countries in the region for not putting its alleged stockpile under international supervision. 

The resolution, initiated by Egypt, was approved by 161 nations with only five voting against it and 18 abstentions. 

The United States and Canada were among the minority opposing the measure.

The UN General Assembly (AFP Photo)

US representative Robert Wood, earlier condemned the resolution for failing “to meet the fundamental tests of fairness and balance.” 

“It confines itself to expressions of concern about the activities of a single country," he said.

The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) voted in September on a resolution, expressing concern over Israel's assumed nuclear arsenal. That time the resolution was rejected by 58 votes to 45. 

In 2012, the United Nations General Assembly passed a non-binding call on Tel Aviv to join the NPT “without further delay." 

Israel then rebuffed the call with the Foreign Ministry saying in a statement that the UN “lost all its credibility regarding Israel with these types of routine votes that are ensured passage by an automatic majority and which single out Israel." 

Israel has repeatedly stressed it sees Iran as the real nuclear threat in the region, urging the international community to do whatever it takes to thwart Iranian nuclear problem. Tehran insists it’s not pursuing weapons and its nuclear effort is altogether peaceful.
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The Israel Thread 03 Dec 2014 20:01 #3

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Israel going would be wonderful... hope there will still be Palestinians left by then, though... :/
Oh no... is it 3:36 again?
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The Israel Thread 04 Dec 2014 10:23 #4

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Orangeaid wrote:

The sackings were the latest move in a political crisis that will come to a head later today when lawmakers vote on a bill to dissolve the parliament, or Knesset.


They are dissolving and rearranging at any time as they please: truth-zone.net/forum/government-and-authority/60516-knesset-dissolved.html
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The Israel Thread 04 Dec 2014 10:37 #5

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Yep. It's just Parliamentary process to enable new elections to be held. Bibi clearly thinks he can win the election with a majority (either Likud alone or with a coalition) as he wouldn't have sacked the daughter of an Irgun terrorist and the other MK (appropriate acronym for members of that country's Parliament I must say) without holding that belief.
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The Israel Thread 04 Dec 2014 18:11 #6

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US Congress passes Israel strategic partnership bill





Eliot Engel (= angel in German): "Israel is a bright light in a very, very dark region"
His grandparents of Ukrainian Jewish[1] roots immigrated from Russia.


US lawmakers voted unanimously Wednesday to pass legislation making Israel a "major strategic partner" of the United States, deepening a bilateral bond that has recently shown signs of strain. In a voice vote, the House approved the United States-Israel Strategic Partnership Act of 2014, which expands cooperation in defense and security, energy, research and development, business, agriculture, water management and academics. The measure reflects "the sense of Congress that Israel is a major strategic partner of the United States," and declares Washington's "unwavering support" for Israel as a Jewish state. The bill, which passed the Senate unanimously in September, now goes to President Barack Obama for his signature.

The legislation would expand the US weapons stockpile in Israel by some $200 million in value, to a total of $1.8 billion, so that the Pentagon can be better prepared to conduct military operations in the volatile Middle East.

It also crucially allows Israel to use the weapons in the event of an emergency, as it did this summer during its operation "Protective Edge" in Gaza.

Earlier this year Congress dramatically increased US funding for Israel's Iron Dome missile defense system, to $351 million for fiscal year 2015 from $235 million the previous year.


More:
news.yahoo.com/us-congress-passes-israel-strategic-partnership-bill-012501963.html
www.alternet.org/progressive-wire/us-lawmakers-urge-resumption-egypt-military-aid
northerntruthseeker.blogspot.de/2014/12/thi9s-is-beyond-disgusting-us-congress.html :left:
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The Israel Thread 04 Dec 2014 22:10 #7

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"Israel is a bright light in a very, very dark region"

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The Israel Thread 04 Dec 2014 22:11 #8

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Nice to see you here man. Welcome! :thumbup:
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The Israel Thread 04 Dec 2014 22:13 #9

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Nice to see you here man. Welcome! :thumbup:

Many thanks, Orange.
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The Israel Thread 05 Dec 2014 01:19 #10

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Orangeaid wrote:
Nice to see you here man. Welcome! :thumbup:

Many thanks, Orange.

Is it hire a gimp night then? :thumbup:
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The Israel Thread 05 Dec 2014 01:22 #11

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You better ask a Jew about the gimps. They dominate the porn industry! :hahano:
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The Israel Thread 05 Dec 2014 01:26 #12

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You better ask a Jew about the gimps. They dominate the porn industry! :hahano:

Well as you have experience in your previous times as a Gimp I was hoping you could shed some light on the issue. Got any photos btw :D
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The Israel Thread 05 Dec 2014 04:04 #13

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THIS Is Beyond Disgusting: US Congress Critters Pass "Israel Stategic Partnership" Bill!

Yep- makes USA Puppet Status - OFFICIAL - no hiding now . :larf:
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The Israel Thread 05 Dec 2014 04:20 #14

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Seems like EU nations (other than Germany with its Holocaust constitution) reject their zionist master pressure and recognize Palestine as an independent State.

Belgium looks like being the next.
Belgium may unilaterally recognize Palestine – report

Published time: December 03, 2014 14:31

Reuters/Mohammed Salem
Four political parties that form Belgium’s government have reportedly agreed to recognize the Palestinian state, despite diplomatic pressure from Israel and its allies. The recognition will happen “at a moment deemed appropriate.”

Belgium could become the second European Union member to officially recognize the Palestinian state, reported Le Soir, French language daily Belgian newspaper.

Sweden was the first country to recognize the occupied state of Palestine this year.

Belgium’s coalition government allegedly drafted a motion regarding recognition of the Palestinian state earlier this week. The document that will be submitted to nation’s parliament for implementation bears no set date of recognition, though.

In late November Prime Minister Charles Michel favored Palestine recognition. “But the question is when is the right moment,” he added.

There should be a common position elaborated within the EU regarding the Palestinian state recognition, Michel stressed. Yet there is at least one European state – Germany – that has spoken against recognition of Palestine.
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The Israel Thread 05 Dec 2014 04:47 #15

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I tend to think that the Israelis want this now. They have done about as much damaged as they can now and the UN ect won't be giving them much in loan re - re- building - if all they get as a State is a fractured mass of separate small regions , hard to function as one entity . The Isrealis win a publicity coup , ( seemingly reluctantly) giving agreeing to it ( whilst making the Germans' still like old 'bad guys' ) , putting one over on countries that have supported this for years , and as a result demanding all Arabs move to it. Jerusalem in full jewish hands to do what it wants to - build it's Temple of the Rock of Christianity and the Dome of Islam.? :dunno:
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The Israel Thread 05 Dec 2014 09:37 #16

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I thought it was necessary to emphasize the crucial parts in my previous post, thus I edited it.

The American people - as a whole - will be held responsible!

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Blaming the American people would really be the catalyst for those who know why they uphold the right to bear arms (in today's times) to act.

I sincerely hope those in the military give a big f*ck you to their superiors and refuse to follow orders.

I can see MAJOR chaos in the US in the future.

I hope the people put the administration and Jews in the FEMA Camps, I really do.
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In order to avoid any misunderstandings I would like to add:

I see a major difference between "blaming" and holding responsible.

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The Israel Thread 05 Dec 2014 14:35 #19

The recognition of a Palestinian state, to me, is a huge con. For starters the debate about whether or not there should be a Palestinian state is an offense to human decency. The UN unanimously granted a country to a people of which most weren't even living there while granting a country to the actual natives remains food for thought. Secondly, the Palestinian State, even according to the 1967 borders is a joke when compared to the land the Palestinians possessed before 1947, with strips of land cut off from each other and surrounded by a nation that despises them and has over the past decades applied a systematic cleansing of the Palestinian people.

The only sensible solution left on the table worth discussing is the one-state solution (one should wonder why they divided Palestine in the first place) where Palestinians and Israelis are given equal citizenship and share common nationality. I'm sure the majority of Palestinians would even agree to become Israeli if it would grant them equal rights, the end of all the destruction and depossessions in Gaza and the West Bank, and the opportunity to live a normal life. Of course the Israelis would never let that happen, firstly because a peace agreement would jeopardize their ambitions to establish Eretz Yisrael, secondly because the "Jewish character" of the state of Israel, both demographically and culturally, would be severely damaged.
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The Israel Thread 05 Dec 2014 20:23 #20

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Palestine: the only solution is now the one-state solution

July 23, 2014

Written by John Rees

Published in Analysis

The basis for two states is being undermined by Israeli expansion

John Rees on how the latest Israeli war on Gaza demonstrates where the solution to the conflict lies

Amid the slaughter and destruction in Gaza let us take a moment to remember how this happened. And to ask how is it happening for the third time in five years? Even more importantly we should ask what strategy can bring the Palestinians victory and prevent a future turn in this vicious cycle?

These questions return us to a central debate among Palestinians and their supporters: should the struggle aim at a two state solution in which Israel returns to the territory it occupied before its annexation of further Palestinian land in 1967 and a Palestinian state emerges on what is left, or should a totally new state come into existence in which Palestinians, Christians and Jews can once again live side by side as they did in the area of historic Palestine before the creation of the state of Israel?

Let's look at the roots of this conflict. The Obama initiated Israeli-Palestinian negotiations broke down because the Netanyahu government started a new wave of settlement building. This was followed by a violent Israeli opposition to the emergence of the Fatah-Hamas unity government—itself in part a product of a weakened Hamas position resulting from the coup that overthrew the Morsi government in Egypt. Then Israel failed to deliver the fourth stage of the Palestinian prisoner release. Then, and only then, were three Israeli youths kidnapped in the West Bank, not in Gaza. Netanyahu then went to war in Gaza. In the course of all this far right Israeli extremists took a 16-year-old Palestinian boy, Muhammad Abu Khdeir, and burnt him alive.  

What this latest onslaught proves beyond all doubt is that the Israeli state is in its essence an expansionist state. It was born in 1948 out of the dispossession of Palestinians,  it cannot co-exist with an independent Palestinian state.

With every decade that passes more Palestinian land has been seized by both the Israeli state and Zionist settlers, no matter what formal agreements are breached to do so. The construction of the Apartheid Wall and the continued spread of illegal settlements has decimated even the reduced territory over which the Palestinian Authority has nominal control since it was set up by the Oslo accords in 1993.

The reality of Israel’s expansion has all but removed the possibility of the often dominant solution to the ‘Palestinian Question’: Israel’s withdrawal from the territory it seized in the 1967 war and the formation of an independent Palestinian state.

The two-state solution undermines the Palestinian resistance

This ‘two-state’ solution is a vanishing possibility on the ground, but it is also an increasingly impossible political solution. The Israelis are not going to accept it and even the slightest moves towards Palestinian statehood, like recent recognition at the UN, are met with outright rejection by Israel. The fact is that no Israeli government could or would agree to withdrawal to the 1967 borders. And Netanyahu has now explicitly ruled this out.

Even more tragically engagement with the two state solution has damaged the Palestinian cause. The project is always pursued through US sponsored negotiations, always involves Palestinian compromises and ends in undermining the standing of Palestinian representatives among the Palestinians themselves.

The sight of Palestine Authority forces in the West Bank being stoned by Palestinians during the recent kidnap crisis is only the logical result of this. The rise of Hamas was entirely based on its willingness to resist Israel when the Fatah-led Palestinian Authority was not. The Oslo peace process undermined and divided the Palestinian resistance. And all the while, indeed as a consequence, the Israeli state continued to expand the settlement programme.
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