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Merkel blows German Steam 08 Feb 2015 11:35 #1

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It was a day of bluster and speeches but also paralysis over how to bring the bloodshed in eastern Ukraine to an end.


On one side, hawks in Washington favour supplying “advanced weapons” to Ukraine’s government in Kiev. On the other, cautious European leaders warned it is easier to provoke Vladimir Putin than to scare him.


“I am firmly convinced this conflict cannot be solved with military means,” said Angela Merkel, the German chancellor at the Munich Security Conference.


Mrs Merkel, who is the only major Western leader to have a working relationship with Mr Putin, said a flow of American arms to Ukraine would not intimidate the Russian leader.


“I cannot imagine any situation in which improved equipment for the Ukrainian army leads to President Putin being so impressed that he believes he will lose militarily,” she said. “I have to put it that bluntly.”


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She added that force had not proved to be the solution in the past when dealing with Russia. “I grew up in East Germany, I have seen the Wall,” she said. “The Americans did not intervene in the Wall, but in the end we won.”

More than 5,300 people have died in the conflict so far, many in devastating artillery barrages, and Kiev warned yesterday that rebel troops were massing for a fresh offensive.


An increasing number of US politicians and senior officials have suggested countering the rebel troops by supplying “defensive weapons” such as Javelin anti-tank missiles, small arms and ammunition to allow Ukraine to strike back at the tanks, artillery and troops that Russia appears to be sending to the east of the country.

General Philip Breedlove, Nato’s top military commander, insisted on Saturday that the option should remain on the table. “I don’t think we should preclude out of hand the possibility of the military option,” he said, adding: “There is no conversation about boots on the ground.”
President Barack Obama has remained silent so far, but Ashton Carter, his nominee for defence secretary, told a Senate committee last week that he is “very much inclined” to provide arms to Petro Poroshenko’s government.

A day after five hours of talks in Moscow between Mrs Merkel, François Hollande and Mr Putin yielded no public agreement beyond a commitment to a further phone call, all the major players in the crisis met at the Munich Security Conference, electrifying what is usually a dry affair.

There was no mistaking where the sympathies of the audience, made up of international leaders including 20 heads of state, lay. When Mrs Merkel mentioned in her speech that she was glad to see Petro Poroshenko present, the Ukrainian President stood up and took a bow, to rapturous applause. Brandishing the passports of several Russian soldiers allegedly seized on Ukrainian territory, he said they were the “best evidence for the aggression and for the presence of Russian troops”.
Mr Hollande has said he is against arming Ukraine and Philip Hammond, the foreign secretary, said the UK also supports a diplomatic solution while he denounced Mr Putin’s “bully-boy” tactics.

“At the moment we do not feel that the supply of arms would be a helpful contribution,” said Mr Hammond. “And so long as there is something approximating a military stalemate, the focus must be on finding a political solution to resolve it.”

He also rejected accusations that the UK had become a “diplomatic irrelevance”, saying: “We will decide, together, what is the best way to go forward. The United States and the United Kingdom will be at that table with France and Germany.”

But Malcolm Rifkind, the former Defence and Foreign Secretary, was one of several delegates who pressed Mrs Merkel on how Mr Putin could be tackled without bolstering Ukraine’s army. “Frederick the Great said that diplomacy without arms is like music without instruments,” the Tory MP pointed out.

Joe Biden, the US vice president, appeared to leave a route open for weapons supplies to Kiev, saying: “We do not believe in a military solution to the conflict, but we do not believe that Putin has the right to do whatever he wants.” He added: “Too many times, President Putin has promised peace and delivered tanks.”

On Sunday, Mrs Merkel, Mr Hollande, Mr Putin and Mr Poroshenko will resume the debate and are expected to thrash out a blueprint on a conference call. But it remains unclear what incentive, or threat, Moscow requires in order to scale back its support for the thousands of heavily armed militiamen in east Ukraine.
On Saturday Mr Putin insisted that his country was innocent, saying during a visit to Sochi on the Black Sea: “We are not going to wage war on anyone, we plan to cooperate with everybody.”

“There clearly is an attempt to restrain our development with different means,” he told trade union activists. “There is an attempt to perturb the existing world order... with one incontestable leader who wants to remain as such thinking he is allowed everything while others are only allowed what he allows and only in his interests.This world order will never suit Russia.”

In Munich, Sergei Lavrov, Russia’s foreign minister, took the West to task for allegedly escalating the conflict but expressed hope the renewed peace talks would bear fruit. “We believe there is every possibility that we will reach a result and agree the recommendations that will allow the sides to really untie this knot of a conflict,” he said.
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/11397900/Ukraine-crisis-Do-not-try-to-scare-Putin-warns-Merkel.html

This after the Russian speech to bomb the hell out of Germany.
Go figure. :roll:
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It gives you a terrible headache, the name doesn't promise too much. Never again! :noway:
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Thanks for the warning, but no surprise of course - with this brand name ... :rofl:

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(Bloomberg) -- Germany’s rejection of supplying weapons to Ukrainian forces fighting pro-Russian rebels may heighten the domestic pressure on a reluctant U.S. President Barack Obama to deliver the arms.

Increasing numbers of senior military and State Department officials are joining Republican lawmakers in a push to arm Ukraine -- an option the commander-in-chief personally opposes, according to three people familiar with the dynamics in the Obama administration. They asked not to be named due to the sensitivity of the matter.

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German Chancellor Angela Merkel, who pleaded against shipping lethal military support in a Saturday speech at the Munich Security Conference, will brief Obama in Washington on Monday on the issue and the German-French push for a peace deal with Russian President Vladimir Putin. Secretary of State John Kerry said he’s confident Obama will make his decision “soon” after the meeting.

Obama’s delay in making his move until after Merkel’s visit reflects not only the gravity of the situation and the dueling arguments, but his emphasis on international alliances, his own deliberative nature and the degree to which he’s concentrated power on foreign policy in the White House.

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Obama won’t authorize weapons deployment if Merkel signals that she won’t publicly condemn individual nations from arming Ukraine, the three people said. If she opposes any unilateral supplying of weapons, Obama will explain his decision to follow her lead by citing the importance of keeping a united front against Putin and the risk of triggering a proxy war with Russia, the people said.
Key Decision
A U.S. official who is also close to the debate declined to predict what Obama will decide after meeting with Merkel. The official, who also requested anonymity, added that Obama’s decision may prove to be one of the most important of his presidency.

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The debate comes as the International Monetary Fund discusses a new financing package for Ukraine to plug its need for about $15 billion in additional financing and the Russian ruble plummets in value amid falling crude oil prices and the sanctions.

Merkel’s position “may be somewhat convenient” in enabling Obama to choose not to send the weapons, said Senator Bob Corker, the Tennessee Republican who chairs the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and is attending the Munich conference as part of a congressional delegation.

“I hope that’s not the case,” said Corker. “We had the same thing happen with the Syrian opposition: we cheered them on, our ambassador was out with them and we left them hanging.”
Public Pressure
“I hope that the president and the administration has learned from that,” Corker said.

Senior U.S. officials who disagree with Obama’s reservations on supplying weapons to Ukraine have privately reached out to lawmakers, urging them to amplify their appeals to and intensify pressure on the White House to take the step, the three people said.

The officials highlighted to the members of Congress the importance of rallying as much public support as possible by more vaguely referring to the increased aid to Ukraine as providing that country defensive assistance, rather than lethal weapons, the people said.





An official with the National Security Council declined to comment on rifts within the administration on the issue, saying only that Obama values Merkel’s judgment and her focus on marshaling European support for economic sanctions that have been imposed on Russia and maintaining trans-Atlantic unity throughout the Ukraine crisis.
Merkel’s Position
“The progress that Ukraine needs cannot be achieved by more weapons,” Merkel said in her Saturday speech.

Instead, she evoked the perseverance of the U.S. and European diplomatic efforts in confronting the Soviet Union during four decades of Cold War that ended with collapse of communism. That approach needs staying power and unity, said Merkel, who grew up in communist East Germany.

“The problem is that I cannot envisage any situation in which an improved equipment of the Ukrainian army leads to a situation where President Putin is so impressed that he will lose militarily,” she said, reiterating the importance of a negotiated peace without military intervention. “I have to put it in such a blunt manner.”

Facing Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko in the audience, she said: “There’s no way to win this militarily -- that’s the bitter truth. The international community has to think of a different approach.”
Defense, Diplomacy
Poroshenko made a rebuttal in his own speech later in the day, arguing that the better-armed Ukrainian military will encourage Russia to accept a political resolution.

“The stronger our defense, the more convincing is our diplomatic voice,” he said, adding that his government wants only defensive, not offensive, weapons to counter Russian artillery, radars and tanks.

U.K. Defense Secretary Michael Fallon also rejected arming the Kiev government, citing fears of escalating the conflict.

Republican senators attending the conference expressed outrage at Merkel’s position and said weapons must be delivered to Ukraine regardless of what Merkel’s diplomatic efforts yield.

“She’s undercutting the ability of the Ukrainian people to have the best, last chance to keep their country intact,” Republican Senator Lindsey Graham of South Carolina told reporters. “So can friends disagree? That’s what all this is about.”
‘Horribly Wrong’
Republican Senator John McCain of Arizona, chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee and the head of the congressional delegation in Munich, called Merkel’s position “unacceptable” and “horribly wrong.”

“I know the Ukrainians; I know that they’re being slaughtered by the Russians with Russian weapons,” McCain said in an interview with German newspaper Bild-Zeitung.

McCain also told TV channel ZDF that German government seems as if “it has no clue, or it doesn’t care, that people are being slaughtered in Ukraine.”

The U.S. has so far committed to providing training and non-lethal equipment to Ukraine’s fight against the separatists in its eastern region, a conflict that began almost a year ago.

Gen. Philip Breedlove, the top U.S. military commander in Europe, Ashton Carter, Obama’s pick to be the next U.S. defense secretary, and a list of former U.S. envoys to Ukraine and NATO are publicly supporting arming Ukraine. “I’m very much inclined in that direction,” Carter said at his confirmation hearing before McCain’s committee last week.
The Pessimists
Kerry and Vice President Joe Biden are increasingly associating with this group, termed the pessimists by the U.S. official who declined to predict what Obama will decide. The official used the term because of this group’s doubts that the U.S. and European economic and diplomatic efforts can alone deter Putin.

This camp has concluded that Putin is determined to reverse some of what he considers NATO and European aggression against a Russia weakened by irresolute leaders before he came to power, such as Mikhail Gorbachev and Boris Yeltsin, said the official.

The group also thinks Putin believes it’s the U.S. and its allies that are weak now, bled by the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, facing economic disunity within the EU and indecision about how to fight Islamic extremism.
Pushing Back
The pessimists argue that it’s important to push back hard against Putin in Ukraine and elsewhere to prevent the conflict from escalating out of control, the official said. The debate over arming Ukraine masks a much deeper analytical split about relations with Russia within the administration and NATO, he added.

The official described another camp as the diplomats, which he said so far includes Obama, Merkel and French President Francois Hollande but few other U.S. officials outside the White House. It views Putin as a bully and not someone who would preside over an economic collapse. They believe he will ultimately respond to mounting economic pressure, perhaps coupled with a greater NATO presence in eastern Europe, the official said.

Some U.S. military and intelligence officials assess that Putin’s current strategic objective is a land link from Russia to Crimea through Mariupol, and that a major offensive against the port city of 500,000 is inevitable.
Debaltseve Offensive
The recent push at Debaltseve, they said Saturday in Washington, appears to be simultaneously a test of the Ukrainian military and NATO’s response, a diversion from the real objective and a move to pre-position Russian-backed forces for a two-pronged assault on Mariupol from the east and north.

At the same time, said three U.S. officials who all spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss classified assessments, Russia has significantly stepped up the quality of some of the equipment it’s supplying to the separatists, especially communications gear, surveillance equipment and air defenses.

That move creates a new dilemma for the U.S. and its allies as they debate sending more and better equipment to Ukraine. Only the most up-to-date gear is capable of defeating what the Russian allies are now using in Ukraine, and sending such equipment risks it being captured or sold by corrupt or disloyal Ukrainians
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The leaders of every major nation on planet earth are globalists,despite the nationalist rhetoric.The wars and ruination they bring are real,but the politics are theater.
“Jewish people as a whole will be its own Messiah. It will attain world domination by the dissolution of other races and by the establishment of a world republic in which everywhere the Jews will exercise the privilege of citizenship,”

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Are you one of them?
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Oracle wrote:
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The leaders of every major nation on planet earth are globalists,despite the nationalist rhetoric.The wars and ruination they bring are real,but the politics are theater.
“Jewish people as a whole will be its own Messiah. It will attain world domination by the dissolution of other races and by the establishment of a world republic in which everywhere the Jews will exercise the privilege of citizenship,”

Moses Mordechain Levi , aka Karl Marx, Review de Paris, June 1, 1928, page 574

Are you one of them?

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@ zax...ברוך הבא :up:
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Dire Threats Made In Russian Parliament: 'Burn Paris To Ground; Bomb Germany Until No Cities Are Left!'
While the following speech made to Russian Parliament is completely in Russian without any translations/closed captioning, we were able to learn the key points made....and it's quite fascinating!

The key points to this speech consist of:
•There should not be any friendships among the nations!
•Paris should be burned completely to the ground!
•Since Angela Merkel is NATO’s 'chief instrument', its' her fault actions and sanctions were taken against Russia. Angela Merkel is our enemy.
•Germany, in particular the city of Berlin, should be totally bombed out through the air by the Russians.
•The nation of Germany should be obliterated....until no towns or cities are remaining.
•Germany should be bombed until no there are no more Germans left alive.

While the guy making the speech, Colonel Vladimir Zhirinovsky has been called a 'loose cannon' and once said the Russians could destroy any part of the world within minutes as shared in the 2nd video, we must remember, he IS a Colonel in the Russian Army, and this speech was made Russian Parliament. Pay close to attention to this as it appears World War 3 is quickly coming....
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Sounds straight out of the mouth Ilya Ehrenberg!
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Is Germany’s Merkel in melt down mode?
Angela Merkel’s hypocrisy now mirrors exactly her American counterpart’s. Speaking of Russian President Vladimir Putin this week, Merkel digressed still further down the murky hole that is western hypocrisy. After just having completed a “put up” photo shoot to capitalize on dead cartoonists, Germany’s top official finally reveals the ultimate audacity
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entrangermercenary1 wrote:
Oracle wrote:
zax wrote:
The leaders of every major nation on planet earth are globalists,despite the nationalist rhetoric.The wars and ruination they bring are real,but the politics are theater.
“Jewish people as a whole will be its own Messiah. It will attain world domination by the dissolution of other races and by the establishment of a world republic in which everywhere the Jews will exercise the privilege of citizenship,”

Moses Mordechain Levi , aka Karl Marx, Review de Paris, June 1, 1928, page 574

Are you one of them?

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@ zax...ברוך הבא :up:

I think that tells us all we need to know. Case closed.
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Savonarola wrote:
entrangermercenary1 wrote:
Oracle wrote:
zax wrote:
The leaders of every major nation on planet earth are globalists,despite the nationalist rhetoric.The wars and ruination they bring are real,but the politics are theater.
“Jewish people as a whole will be its own Messiah. It will attain world domination by the dissolution of other races and by the establishment of a world republic in which everywhere the Jews will exercise the privilege of citizenship,”

Moses Mordechain Levi , aka Karl Marx, Review de Paris, June 1, 1928, page 574

Are you one of them?

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@ zax...ברוך הבא :up:

I think that tells us all we need to know. Case closed.

Correct case closed :facepalm: :cool2:

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entrangermercenary1 wrote:
Savonarola wrote:
entrangermercenary1 wrote:
Oracle wrote:
zax wrote:
The leaders of every major nation on planet earth are globalists,despite the nationalist rhetoric.The wars and ruination they bring are real,but the politics are theater.
“Jewish people as a whole will be its own Messiah. It will attain world domination by the dissolution of other races and by the establishment of a world republic in which everywhere the Jews will exercise the privilege of citizenship,”

Moses Mordechain Levi , aka Karl Marx, Review de Paris, June 1, 1928, page 574

Are you one of them?

:facepalm:

@ zax...ברוך הבא :up:

I think that tells us all we need to know. Case closed.

Correct case closed :facepalm: :cool2:

Nothing to contribute, then? Just more playground finger-pointing and screaming "Windaaae licka" in your rather strange Ulster-Scots-Hebrew accent? There ya go ....
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Merkel blows German Steam 08 Feb 2015 17:19 #18

Savonarola wrote:
entrangermercenary1 wrote:
Savonarola wrote:
entrangermercenary1 wrote:
Oracle wrote:
zax wrote:
The leaders of every major nation on planet earth are globalists,despite the nationalist rhetoric.The wars and ruination they bring are real,but the politics are theater.
“Jewish people as a whole will be its own Messiah. It will attain world domination by the dissolution of other races and by the establishment of a world republic in which everywhere the Jews will exercise the privilege of citizenship,”

Moses Mordechain Levi , aka Karl Marx, Review de Paris, June 1, 1928, page 574

Are you one of them?

:facepalm:

@ zax...ברוך הבא :up:

I think that tells us all we need to know. Case closed.

Correct case closed :facepalm: :cool2:

Nothing to contribute, then? Just more playground finger-pointing and screaming "Windaaae licka" in your rather strange Ulster-Scots-Hebrew accent? There ya go ....

Seems I hit a nerve...

There ya go.....(giggles)
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Seems I hit a nerve...

There ya go.....(giggles)


Putting everything upside down rabulism. It's crystal clear that he hit a nerve with you instead.

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PFIZIPFEI wrote:
entrangermercenary1 wrote:
Seems I hit a nerve...

There ya go.....(giggles)


Putting everything upside down rabulism. It's crystal clear that he hit a nerve with you instead.

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This target is to meet our server cost for one year, June 2020 - May 2021, in USD.
$ 340 - Target
( £ 255 GBP )
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$ 70 - Raised
( £ 53 GBP )
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21%
Most Recent Donation $50 USD
28th August 2020

No one is obliged to donate, please only donate what you can afford. Even the smallest amount helps. Being an active member is a positive contribution. Thank You.