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TOPIC: Sainthood for Mother Teresa

Sainthood for Mother Teresa 29 Dec 2015 05:17 #1

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There are reports she might be canonized in September 2016. For a monotheistic religion that has thousands of holy creatures and relics in the tens of thousands - this is one more pantheistic icon or meme.

You can argue that Mother Teresa is responsible for more pain and suffering than any other individual in the last century. By saving kids who no one was able to care for (In the Catholic tradition) she reduced the ability of anyone to help a larger number of people with the limited resources the governments have. In Mexico it is so bad that women have children or miscarriages so often they are lucky to live past child-bearing age.

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=1268


"Exposing Mother Teresa

By Christopher Hitchens on October 21, 2003


One of the interesting books published in 1995 debunks the myth of Mother Teresa, who has been unjustly built into a near-saint by the media. She has been virtually untouchable as an almost sacred figure. and anyone who dares to criticize her is promptly rebuked.

The book is The Missionary Position: Mother Teresa In Theory And Practice, by Christopher Hitchens (Verso, London and New York, 1995) $12.95. Hitchens aired a documentary on her in England and has investigated her activities.

He questions her Nobel Peace Prize in 1979 because she never did anything for peace. In fact, in her acceptance speech she said, “Abortion is the worst evil, and the greatest enemy of peace… Because if a mother can kill her own child, what will prevent us from killing ourselves or one another? Nothing.”

Wherever she goes this is her constant message. In 1992 at an open air mass in Knock, Ireland, she said, “Let us promise our Lady who loves Ireland so much, that we will never allow this country a single abortion. And no contraceptives.” She obviously sees no connection between poverty and too many children.

In one interview cited in the book, she was asked, “So you wouldn’t agree with people who say there are too many children in India?” She said, “I do not agree, because God always provides. He provides for the flowers and the birds, for everything in the world He has created. And those little children are his life. There can never be enough.”

One of Mother Teresa’s volunteers in Calcutta described her “Home for the Dying” as resembling photos of concentration camps such as Belsen. No chairs, just stretcher beds. Virtually no medical care or painkillers beyond aspirin, and a refusal to take a 15-year-old boy to a hospital. Hitchens adds, “Bear in mind that Mother Teresa’s global income is more than enough to outfit several first class clinics in Bengal. The decision not to do so… is a deliberate one.

The point is not the honest relief of suffering, but the promulgation of a cult based on death and suffering and subjection.”

Then Hitchens notes that Mother Teresa “has checked into some of the finest and costliest clinics and hospitals in the West during her bouts with heart trouble and old age.”

The author mentions her visit to Haiti and her endorsement of the Duvaliers, the source of much deprivation of the poor in Haiti. Also, her acceptance of stolen money from Charles Keating, “now serving a ten-year sentence for his part in the savings and loan scandal.” Keating, a “Catholic fundamentalist”, gave Mother Teresa one and a quarter million dollars and “the use of his private jet.”

During the course of Keating’s trial, Mother Teresa wrote Judge Ito asking clemency and asked Ito “to do what Jesus would do.”

One of the prosecutors in the trial wrote her telling her “of 17,000 individuals from whom Mr. Keating stole $252,000,000.” He added, “You urge Judge Ito to look into his heart–as he sentences Charles Keating–and do what Jesus would do. I submit the same challenge to you. Ask yourself what Jesus would do if he were given the fruits of a crime; what Jesus would do if he were in possession of money that had been stolen; what Jesus would do if he were being exploited by a thief to ease his conscience.” The prosecutor asked her to return the money, and offered to put her “in direct contact with the rightful owners of the property now in your possession.”[/
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Sainthood for Mother Teresa 29 Dec 2015 05:51 #2

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Your personal take on the catholic faith & it's Babylonian origins, Robert? The faith this 'Mother' used is key.
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Sainthood for Mother Teresa 29 Dec 2015 05:59 #3

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Origins - very clear. Catholicism is not Christianity it is Romanism or Popery, Since you do not read - you might like to watch the video Know Rome - Know Jesus; No Rome - No Jesus. Joseph Atwill and religious scholars from all over the world are on it.

Approved for worship - another building needed for all the g-ds and their relics.

http://waltonian.com/2015/12/pope-francis-approves-mother-teresas-sainthood/

Here is a little paragraph from the Preface to Frankl's The Will to Meaning which carried his early book Man's Search for Meaning a little further. It was written when he was in a concentration camp and writing it helped keep him alive.


"What I term the existential vacuum constitutes a challenge to psychiatry today. Ever more patients complain of a feeling of emptiness and meaninglessness, which seems to me to derive from two facts. Unlike an animal, man is not told by instincts what he must do. And unlike man in former times, he is no longer told by traditions what he should do. Often he does not even know what he basically wishes to do. Instead, either he wishes to do what other people do (conformism), or he does what other people wish him to do (totalitarianism)." (4)

Why have those who arranged these horrors tried to blame the Jews (and in an indirect manner, all 'sinners') for the death of Jesus? He did not claim to be a co-equal member of the Holy Trinity. It wasn't the Jews who 'killed our Saviour'. John Ralston Saul says this about the whole matter.

"HOLY TRINITY-CHRISTIAN

A pre-alchemist alchemist concept developed by early Christian administrators to soften the hard-edged simplicity of straight monotheism.

The three-in-one/one-in-three mystery of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost {That the beatniks called 'Laddio, Daddio and Spook'.} made tritheism official. The subsequent almost-deification of the Virgin Mary made it quatrotheism {And raised un-natural 'virginity' or possible non-sense such as immaculate conceptions, which fathers must have loved and priests certainly benefit from, to heights of increasing obscenity!}. Twelve Disciples as semi-deities then made it sextusdecitheism. Finally, cart-loads of saints raised to quarter-deification turned Christianity into plain, old-fashioned polytheism. By the time of the Crusades, it was the most polytheistic religion ever to have existed, with the possible exception of Hinduism. This untenable contradiction between the assertion of monotheism and the reality of polytheism was dealt with {And this is the MOST important observation of a technique known in psychology as 'projection of a pluperfect paranoid' or the 'BIG LIE' of alphabet soup agencies and 'black ops'; the less organized criminals like the Mafia call it a 'frame-up'.} by accusing other religions of the Christian fault. The Church - Catholic and later Protestant - turned aggressively on the two most clearly monotheistic religions in view {Also they began at least 700 years of war, A CRUSADE! against the remnants of the Kelts in Ireland.) - Judaism and Islam - and persecuted them as heathen or pagan. ..These pagans must therefore be converted, conquered {ego 'Manifest Destiny'} and/or killed for their own good in order that they may benefit from the singularity of the Holy Trinity, plus appendages.

HOLY TRINITY - POST CHRISTIAN

So far Nietzsche has been wrong about GOD. We have not managed to become Him in His place. Instead we have replaced God with a yet more abstract divinity based upon pure rational power... Organization or structure replaced the Father, TECHNOLOGY displaced the Son and the Holy Ghost gave way to information. The new priesthood was made up of technocrats. As the etymology of the word 'technocrat' indicates, from the beginning they were to be specialists in power... And they would stand guard over information." (5)

The fears and apathy of average people are as much to blame for this history of managed and 'guarded information' that records the acts of bad people. 'We are all our brother's keepers' is not just an idle platitude. The Druidic concept called IESA or 'The Brotherhood of Man' apprehended the Cosmic Thought Field of Faraday and Tesla or the 'Cosmic Soup' of Deepak Chopra. NASA scientists have just announced that Life is Everywhere including microbes in outer space. They talk about cell membrane formation that makes we wonder if these are conscious connected 'info packets' (Tesla) or 'templates' (Teilhard de Chardin) from which energy can create in a manner more akin to ancient creationist theories of the supposed pagans.
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Sainthood for Mother Teresa 29 Dec 2015 06:52 #4

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Read? R-E-A-D......Babylonian origins of Rome's way's.
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Sainthood for Mother Teresa 29 Dec 2015 17:28 #5

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Sorry. YOU can take Babylon and the UR stories to the same place you get the idea about some Cradle of Civilization.

Romanism is Catholicism. Babylon originated nothing. I take the history back much further than UR. Even before white man existed. Step by step almost - at least 40,000 years and still going.
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Sainthood for Mother Teresa 29 Dec 2015 17:49 #6

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In this report you will get some idea of the billions of dollars people gave her mission in hopes of helping the poor she would force to have kids and then house in a concentration camp hospital of filth before turning back onto the streets.

This one fraud is perpetuated by people who know better outside the Church and gives insight to other ways they lie and cover each other's asses. YES, there is no true separation of Church and State!!! Tax them!!!! Make them stop fomenting war and poverty or hatred of women and other so-called races.

http://www.remnantofgod.org/mat.htm

Those ads you see on TV from the Christian Children's Fund do not tell you the kids and parents have to attend Bible study to get the meds that come from 15% of your money that reaches the people. They force the government of places like Mexico to have to give up trying to combat poverty by making the people think it is the Lord's will they should procreate.
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Sainthood for Mother Teresa 29 Dec 2015 17:57 #7

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Sorry. YOU can take Babylon and the UR stories to the same place you get the idea about some Cradle of Civilization.

Romanism is Catholicism. Babylon originated nothing. I take the history back much further than UR. Even before white man existed. Step by step almost - at least 40,000 years and still going.

Oh deary me " before white man existed" :larf: The window lickers on here will go fucking nuts with that statement :larf: :twitch: :wissl:
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Sainthood for Mother Teresa 29 Dec 2015 18:06 #8

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Are you different from your "window lickers'? I doubt it.

When this "mother" is sainted as the Pope just said she would be - humanity should storm every church that these cretins operate from and take every scrap of valuable material to build homes for the poor they have created. India had to try to overcome the effects of this "mother" for decades during which they fought to build a real country with some hope for it's people. The street people got money from other places and built the housing as much as they could - but not one penny came from the good "sisters" who operated camps of horror with 40% death rates! And volunteers manned the watchtowers or guard houses in front of the places in New York and all over the world counting the billions fleeced from sheople.

"The reality is far grimmer. According to those who’ve volunteered there, Mother Teresa’s missions are squalid cesspits run along violent, authoritarian lines. There are reports of unruly children being tied to beds and beaten, of outdated equipment not being replaced, and of needles being reused in countries with high HIV infection rates (such as Haiti) until they were so blunt they caused pain. All of this wrapped up in a culture of unquestioning obedience, secrecy, and control that is said to resemble a cult.

This might all be okay if the Missionaries were doing some good, but they’re not. In 1991, German magazine Stern revealed that only 7 percent of donations to the organization were used for charity. The rest was funneled into secret bank accounts or used to build more missions. There are reports that missions won’t even buy bread to feed their inmates, preferring instead to rely only on donated food.

And where does all this money come from? Well, some of it comes from regular, kind-hearted folk giving what they can. A heck of a lot more came from some of the most evil men who ever lived. Mother Teresa herself personally took large donations from the psychopathic Haitian dictator “Baby Doc,” publicly defending his blood-soaked rule in return. In the 1990s, fraudster Charles Keating donated $1.25 million of stolen money to the Missionaries. When asked to return the fraudulent money, Mother Teresa simply stayed silent.

Mother Teresa undoubtedly did some good things in her time, but they may yet be overshadowed by her awful legacy. In 2010, Forbes revealed that the first home she set up had a mortality rate of over 40 percent. To paraphrase an old saying, if the poor have friends like her, they no longer need enemies."

knowledgenuts.com/2013/09/27/mother-teresa-was-a-crook-and-a-fraud/
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Sainthood for Mother Teresa 29 Dec 2015 18:10 #9

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Are you different from your "window lickers'? I doubt it.

:larf: :thumbup:

Nice retort Bob, im begining to warm to you, not in a homo way though :umm: :cool2:

You get what your required to see, Im an expert on COD, and btw Ruperts, I shit em :wissl:
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It would not matter to me if you were a homo.

What is this COD and Ruperts?

I am an old fart and not up on current web speak.
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Sainthood for Mother Teresa 29 Dec 2015 18:36 #11

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When this "mother" is sainted as the Pope just said she would be - humanity should storm every church that these cretins operate from and take every scrap of valuable material to build homes for the poor they have created. India had to try to overcome the effects of this "mother" for decades during which they fought to build a real country with some hope for it's people. The street people got money from other places and built the housing as much as they could - but not one penny came from the good "sisters" who operated camps of horror with 40% death rates! And volunteers manned the watchtowers or guard houses in front of the places in New York and all over the world counting the billions fleeced from sheople.

Humanity should storm every church and take every scrap of valuable material to build homes for the poor

Now we both know that is just fantasy, the reality is, they (humanity) would keep the valuables for themselves then sell them and fuck the poor, human mob nature ;) Maye you want to discuss tribes with BT :twitch: :wissl:

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It would not matter to me if you were a homo.

What is this COD and Ruperts?

I am an old fart and not up on current web speak.

Well COD is a play station game about combat, which I often play (pissed) and Im ranked in the top ten on the globe :emb: :ponda:

Rupert :facepalm: I thought you were a Rupert back in the day? Its Brit military slang for an Officer, I thought the Canadians may have had the same? :ponda:
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Thanks for the clarification. I don't play games anymore. Most of my free time is spent on doing this kind of thing and the research - before going to live with tribes in Cambodia where people from all over the world are re-building a culture that had the largest city on this planet in the 11th Century AD. Yes, I had some fellow officers who fit the Rupert thing, I was only in their company for a few months before taking Chartered Accounting starting at age 17 (or was it 18 - I lied about my age to join the militia and it was just two months ago I found the authorities still had me a year older,).

Of course the gene pool does not know the true history and most people are not aware of the people who populated earth and especially the Ainu whose last remnants on Japan are probably going to be dead soon. They are all over the Pacific and called Polynesians or Indians. , Maya etc. DNA has been a god send for true history.
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Thanks for the clarification. I don't play games anymore. Most of my free time is spent on doing this kind of thing and the research - before going to live with tribes in Cambodia where people from all over the world are re-building a culture that had the largest city on this planet in the 11th Century AD. Yes, I had some fellow officers who fit the Rupert thing, I was only in their company for a few months before taking Chartered Accounting starting at age 17 (or was it 18 - I lied about my age to join the militia and it was just two months ago I found the authorities still had me a year older,).

Of course the gene pool does not know the true history and most people are not aware of the people who populated earth and especially the Ainu whose last remnants on Japan are probably going to be dead soon. They are all over the Pacific and called Polynesians or Indians. , Maya etc. DNA has been a god send for true history.

Cambodia..ever go to Burma and reside with the Karens?

Japan, I have a soft spot for the Japs, sometimes it gets hard, hmm well clarification it used to get hard :thumbup: :wissl:

All this travel Bob, good for the soul and communication skills, bet you got a chap in every port :P :hahano:
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Sainthood for Mother Teresa 29 Dec 2015 19:23 #14

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I have not traveled for about 17 years and never to SE Asia. My last ladyfriend was four years ago - a Vietnamese person who I hooked up with cheap Indian or native cigarettes to make her enough money to send her three kids through university. My last wife was also a boat person, from Vietnam, and I might end my days there if my US pension is allowed to reach me there. Yes, the US continues to prosecute the people they abused in that war FOR drugs. I think I have mentioned I met the Vietnamese general show in Air America who was given Holiday Inns near Disneyland in the Mel Gibson Movie Air America.

Have I told the story about talking a fellow officer trainee into going to Vietnam? I almost went. Not because I believed the BS about holding back some red tide - I knew that was what it is to this day, though I have much more facts now. His name is Pete Lemon and he won the Congressional Medal of Honor but he does not remember we talked about it, though he does confirm he was getting his officer status as I had said a decade ago. Yes, assholes do check into my stories - all the time seeking to make me look like a person not to be trusted - and thus continue to maintain their paradigm of lies.

Here is some more stuff - some of which I have already put here under the Hitler thread.

Greek mythology has proven useful in archaeology for the finding of whole cultures including Troy and Knossos. It has been implicated as a source for many other finds as well. Jung kept the Iliad by his bedside for two decades because you can go most any direction in meditating on these mythic characters as you wander your merry way into lucid dreaming. Yes, much ancient knowledge is attributed to Greek gods and you can find out there are actual historic people who match those mythical characters if you are not writing tests for some modern history course.

http://www.mythologydictionary.com/greek-mythology.html

"Whether or not it is clear to you, the universe is unfolding as it should..." Desiderata

But there are ways your control of every part of your existence are formed and you know so little about them. This is especially true if you fear things you do not understand. (Including even yourself or SELF.) One of the major tools forming people today is games. And when I saw Lucis Trust (Luciferians) and Damanhur (Alchemists) working on those games and developing ways to inculcate new thinking through them (Later Harry Potter took the stage.) I was happy and concerned at the same time. Isaac Bonewitz is an OK occultist and his following work is worth reading. In it you will find words have much power.

http://www.neopagan.net/AT_Laws.html

The Gaels or Gaedhils are the Milesians like ML-chhi-zadok and Brian Boru who the Kennedy family trace their roots to. Thus one can honestly say Camelot in Massachusetts is as real as the one in Glastonbury or Lyoness. They include Columbanus and Columcille (St. Columba) if you look under Gaedhil at Wikipedia. Thank god we have DNA now - it was a lot harder to prove my history and that of MacDari (The Masonic linguist whose book Irish Wisdom I spent twenty years researching after given the task to re-write it by my Ogham mentor.) before DNA. Due to the destruction of books and efforts to deny the truth of earlier culture called Atlantean by some, I had to scour every science and technology. The likes of Fin and his Fianna turned into real people as the years went by and other scholars were finding out that the Phoenicians are what we might call Atlanteans just as Plato did. Along the way I learned why I was selected - my last name is more than merely a Bard or Druid, and I am named after the man who reformed the Templars as the Societas Rosicruciana en Anglia. The Hibernians of Robert de Bruges and Royal Society of the Stuart (Hatti and Hittite) Kings and Newton et al are all connected. Some people call these elitists hangers on by words like Rupert and if you know Prince Rupert was probably the person called Jack the Ripper you are getting part of the true story. My father had a lot of knowledge and a few legends of our family but it took far more to accept my burden than mere wive's tales.

"In their own national epic contained within medieval works such as the Lebor Gabála Érenn, the Gaels trace the origin of their people to an eponymous ancestor named Goídel Glas. He is described as a Scythian prince (the grandson of Fénius Farsaid), who is credited within creating the Gaelic languages. Goídel's mother is called Scota, described as an Egyptian princess (some modern writers associate her with Meritaten). The Gaels are depicted as wandering from place to place for hundreds of years; they spend time in Egypt, Crete, Scythia, the Caspian Sea and Getulia, before arriving in Iberia. It is here that their king, Breogán, is said to have founded Galicia.

The Gaels are then said to have sailed to Ireland via Galicia in the form of the Milesians, sons of Míl Espáine. The Gaels fight a battle of sorcery with the Tuatha Dé Danann, the gods, who inhabited Ireland at the time. Ériu, a goddess of the land, promises the Gaels that Ireland shall be theirs so long as they give tribute to her. They agree, and their bard Amergin recites an incantation known as the Song of Amergin. The two groups agree to divide Ireland between them: the Gaels take the world above, while the Tuath Dé take the world below (i.e. the Otherworld).

Advances in DNA studies have revealed some clues about the origin of the Gaels (who are associated with paternal R-L21).[31] Haplogroup R originated 26,800 years ago in Central Asia during the Last Ice Age. The R1b branch had broken off by the Paleolithic and it's derivative R-M269 was found at the Pontic-Caspian steppe by the Chalcolithic (the Kurgan hypothesis makes these speakers of Proto-Indo-European).[31] First entering Europe proper 7,000 years ago, the Indo-Europeans developed bronze weapons and domesticated the horse, giving them the upper-hand in their conquest of the Old Europe and the proliferation of their lineages.[31] After the R-L51 subclade founded the Unetice culture, a derivative R-L21 moved West arriving in Britain c. 2100 BCE and Ireland c. 2000 BCE, becoming the Gaelic people.[31]"

Later, after reading Graves’ King Jesus and of Jesus’ exposure to ogham while training in Egypt, ogham became for me a potent symbol of a pagan past before Christianity.

When Flavin said the above I saw so many connections with MacDari and I have read Graves' White Goddess to cull some Phoenician insights - though good; not as good as the Golden Bough. I draw your attention to the word POTENT and I also wonder about the word or pejorative "pagan" rather than something like Chaos Science.
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Sainthood for Mother Teresa 29 Dec 2015 19:32 #15

^^^^^^^^^^^

Well Bob for what its worth I actually beleive all your stories. well most of them. As they say "Truth is stranger than fiction" and a person who has travelled to remote regions and travel in general has seen a lot more than the usual plebs sitting in the bedroom playin computer games ;) :coolio:

Did I tell you about the time I was attacked by Mig 21s and Hinds...COD, level 150 (secret level) :wissl:
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Sainthood for Mother Teresa 29 Dec 2015 20:38 #16

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''In January, 2012, documents obtained by an investigative journalist working at SF Weekly, a successful alternative weekly newspaper

in San Francisco, California, revealed that an Albanian nun, Agnes Gonxha Bojaxhiu, better known to the world today as Mother Teresa of

Calcutta (1910-1997),
supported and praised a Catholic priest knowing that he was an accused serial abuser of young boys in his care.

He was Fr. Donald McGuire, and he was associated with Mother Teresa and her nuns since 1981. He was subsequently appointed a

confessor and spiritual advisor to Mother Teresa and her religious order, the Missionaries of Charity.

In a letter undisputed by Vatican hierarchs to have been written by Mother Teresa and sent to Fr. McGuire’s Jesuit superior in Chicago in 1994, the Catholic saint-to-be urged for Fr. McGuire’s return to the ministry as quickly as possible after he had been suspended from his position to undergo psychiatric treatment for heinous sexual behaviour with a young lad. In her letter, Mother Teresa acknowledged that she had learned of the ‘sad events which took [McGuire] from his priestly ministry these past seven months’, but she wanted to see him back
in the Church as soon as possible. She added;

‘I understand how grave is the scandal touching the priesthood in the USA and
how careful we must be to guard the purity [sic] and reputation of that priesthood …
I must say, however, that I have confidence and trust in Fr. McGuire and wish
to see his vital ministry resume as soon as possible’
.

As in thousands of other cases of paedophilic operatives in the Catholic priesthood, we see again another example of
the abnormal thinking of religious people with influence in the Church for Mother Teresa’s concern was only for the reputation of the priesthood, not for the safety or compassion towards the innocent childhood victims of paedophile priests operating unrestrained
in the Catholic Church.

Mother Teresa’s sainthood under a black cloud

In 2003, Pope John Paul II beatified Mother Teresa and, like him, she is currently on the fast track to a formal Vatican proclamation of sainthood. However, her correspondence to Fr. McGuire’s superior could have an impact on the near-complete process of her canonization, for as a direct result of her personal intervention, Fr. McGuire resumed active ministry and then unabatedly continued his predatory pursuits on young children. Eight additional complaints were subsequently lodged against him in the ensuing years by various families, and they led to his eventual arrest on multiple charges of molesting young boys.''
This kind of disgusting and disrespectful behaviour is condoned here

ORANGEAID verbal abuse

''Cinta is a whore.
I don't change one word I've said.''

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Sainthood for Mother Teresa 29 Dec 2015 21:41 #17

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Dear E

Travel in the soul or mind means more than travel physical. Many are they who go many places and yet never travel - and many are they who never leave home and travel all the time. I have always had a Joy of Learning which I later learned the word Bodhisattva fits.

Dear C

I saw a report saying Pope Francis has approved her canonization - the report was two days old this morning.

The previous Pope shielded the Bishop of Munich for decades when he was in control of the branch of that ******* church which supposedly administers the pedophile issue. Ratzinger had also been a member of the National Socialist (NAZI) party just like Heinz Kissinger.

Two decades and more ago I was all over "Mother" Teresa and my family thought I was nuts. It is just one thing I have been all over for decades.

I dare say it is not the worst thing either. No by a long shot! John Paul II said he apologized "for two millennia of heinous acts" in 1999 and a lot of people I know started to listen to me. One of them personally knew Carol Wotejwa (Yes, I do spell names wrong from time to time.) and he contacted the Polish Bishop or arch - asshole of Canada. That person (I could use other words) and his minions said John Paul II was "old and feeble and probably suffered Alzheimer's".

I am sure I can detail more of those "heinous acts" than he could. My oldest brother's godfather went to school with John Paul II's second in command. He said things about pedophiles in high places including the Father in chare4ge of their school he sharpened a deer antler to cut the penis off - when it was presented - leading to his expulsion from the clergy seminary; you might not believe. One of the things he said I am loathe to repeat is that his buddy was happy to suck the penis of his high priest, and so did Carol do likewise.

I suspect the same teaching went on with Stalin who was booted or left early. There is a current author of a few years ago who said Khrushchev was Stalin's bum-buddy. My oldest brother also knew a guy who was a Colonel in the Russian military (I read his book detailing how he saved many Jews in an underground railroad) that Khrushchev gave money to have him give a priest near Hamilton Ontario to say a prayer for when he died. It was done!
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Sainthood for Mother Teresa 30 Dec 2015 02:03 #18

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Animated Pedophiles

There sure is a lot of 'animating' going on from episcopal Sees encouraging boys to have great zeal!

"DECREE ON PRIESTLY TRAINING
OPTATAM TOTIUS
PROCLAIMED BY HIS HOLINESS
POPE PAUL VI
ON OCTOBER 28, 1965


Animated by the spirit of Christ, this sacred synod is fully aware that the desired renewal of the whole Church depends to a great extent on the ministry of its priests. It proclaims the extreme importance of priestly training and lays down certain basic principles by which those regulations may be strengthened which long use has shown to be sound and by which those new elements can be added which correspond to the constitutions and decrees of this sacred council and to the changed conditions of our times. Because of the very unity of the Catholic priesthood this priestly formation is necessary for all priests, diocesan and religious and of every rite. Wherefore, while these prescriptions directly concern the diocesan clergy, they are to be appropriately adapted to all.

I.
THE PROGRAM OF PRIESTLY TRAINING TO BE UNDERTAKEN BY EACH COUNTRY

1. Since only general laws can be made where there exists a wide variety of nations {Is this actually 'evident'? Why?}and regions, a special "program of priestly training" is to be undertaken by each country or rite {Rituals vary by what reason? Is it mandated that some people are different under their g-d? How many g-ds are involved - are we talking semi-gods like saints or just the big three? I would have to guess they allow the rites of disciplines as divergent as Carmelites and Santerian Voudou to operate in the same regions? I must misunderstand the words?}. It must be set up by the episcopal conferences, revised from time to time and approved by the Apostolic See. In this way will the universal laws be adapted to the particular circumstances of the times and localities so that the priestly training will always be in tune with the pastoral needs of those regions in which the ministry is to be exercised.

II.
THE URGENT FOSTERING OF PRIESTLY VOCATIONS

2. The duty of fostering vocations pertains to the whole Christian community, which should exercise it above all by a fully Christian life. {But who gave Rome power over Christians in the first place? Even if you BELIEVE the lies of Empire - with all those holes apologized for and otherwise - you must ask if some men have such power over the lives of women they won't even allow to perform their rituals.} The principal contributors to this are the families which, animated by the spirit of faith and love and by the sense of duty, become a kind of initial seminary, and the parishes in whose rich life the young people take part. Teachers and all those who are in any way in charge of the training of boys and young men, especially Catholic associations, should carefully guide the young people entrusted to them so that these will recognize and freely accept a divine vocation. All priests especially are to manifest an apostolic zeal in fostering vocations and are to attract the interest of youths to the priesthood by their own life lived in a humble and industrious manner and in a happy spirit as well as by mutual priestly charity and fraternal sharing of labor.

Bishops on the other hand are to encourage their flock to promote vocations and should be concerned with coordinating all forces in a united effort to this end. As fathers, moreover, they must assist without stint those whom they have judged to be called to the Lord's work."


www.vatican.va/archive/hist_c...totius_en.html

I encourage a more complete reading and genuine zeal for understanding Divine Providence and how these men are so divine in the first place. Is this 'divine' creature assuming all who s/he/it has dominion over including all other denominations of the cult truly accepting priestly decisions administered in all regions as different as they are and as different as the treatment of women in this world can be? Is it incumbent on simple people like you or myself to ask questions of the churches we allow to influence our children?

Judean and Islamic as well as Baptist and 20,000 other separate structures not to mention Hindu and those seen as different, do present some ideological and pedagogical pain - do they not?

If we are 'animating' young men and the needs of priests who somehow know a god that has all these different rites, we should ask as these children's parents and voters in these countries - who has say over the laws they follow in institutions proven to break all laws commonly said to be secular including sex. Are sexual needs part of the teaching for these priests and how do celibate priests help women understand their own needs which vary from those of their children who might not even be just one sex?
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