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massive fire engulfs tower block in west London 18 Jun 2017 01:09 #141



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massive fire engulfs tower block in west London 18 Jun 2017 01:29 #142

This fire could well be what sparks off some serious rioting in London and other parts of the U.k? Quite a few people are angry and upset about this. Especially about the cladding on the outside of the building and the media not pinning the blame where it should rest. Some people are also now claiming the media is lying about the death toll, which they say could be in the hundreds? I don't know about that. But that's what some people are saying. .
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I used to have a solid fuel fire in my house, but stopped using it because it was so much hassle. Empting the ash created a lot of dust and if you got any on your hands or clothes it got smudged around everywhere was really difficult to get off.
A crew of firefighters change shift after battling the blaze - around 200 have been called in from London and Essex to fight the fire at Grenfell
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Hero firefighter who battled his way to 15th floor of inferno tower
says he feared it would collapse like 9/11


Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4612670/Firefighter-says-feared-collapse-like-9-11.html



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Towers still standing though despite all that fire, unlike the twins, castor and pollux in NYC.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHwVBirqD2s

No "aviation fuel" involved.
As far as we know.
Only plastic waste jacket.


The twins burnt wholly from inside out, GrenFell outside in, but did not fall, it will be felled.


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massive fire engulfs tower block in west London 18 Jun 2017 12:52 #145

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massive fire engulfs tower block in west London 18 Jun 2017 13:22 #146

I had the radio on in the car this morning and somebody claimed again the death toll is more like 150 dead? It's hard to know what to believe really. I suspect the media might be covering up the death toll though?
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A man who was pictured desperately waving for help as a huge inferno raged around him nearly 12 hours (in second video of previous post) has been rescued by firefighters.

There were fears that the Asian man, thought to be in his 50s, would be among those killed in the blaze, which ripped through Grenfell Tower in Latimer Road, White City in the early hours of this morning.

Those evacuated from the building and standing in the street could see the man frantically trying to get the attention of the emergency services by waving a jumper outside the window of his 11th floor flat.

However shortly after 12pm the man was rescued by emergency workers, with photographs of firefighters carrying him to safety as police officers protected them from falling debris with riot shields being shared widely on Twitter.


Those evacuated from the building and standing in the street could see the man frantically trying to get the attention of the emergency services by waving a jumper outside the window of his 11th floor flat


Firefighters carry the man outside of the building and to safety, while police officers use riot shields to protect them from the falling debris


The man (circled) looks from his flat window as smoke pours from a fire that has engulfed the 27-storey Grenfell Tower in west London

A community leader working to locate victims, who asked not to be named, revealed that nobody who lived on the top three residential floors may have survived.

He said: 'We have a list of missing people - there are so many. It's possible there are more than 50, possibly hundreds'.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4603354/Incredible-London-fire-rescue-man-waving-makeshift-flag.html
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massive fire engulfs tower block in west London 18 Jun 2017 13:48 #148

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annabelle wrote:
the 27-storey


The tower is incessantly growing!

At first 23, then 24, now even 27 storeys.


Proof

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New Yorkers had the right idea (not 24 stories high but still).. (and they didn't use flammable cladding)





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massive fire engulfs tower block in west London 18 Jun 2017 14:08 #150

It's amazing they managed to rescue that guy on the 11th floor. Going into that blazing building would have almost zero visibility, and would be utter chaos. A group of firefighters inside must have eventually found their way to that mans apartment from the stairway and hallways, as the reports said they couldn't get to people using ladders.
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Unfortunately many who live in council housing are too unhealthy and not of able body to deal with flights of stairs

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PFIZIPFEI wrote:
annabelle wrote:
the 27-storey


The tower is incessantly growing!

At first 23, then 24, now even 27 storeys.


Proof

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Obviously a stupid mistake wasn't it. :yerright:

Out of that whole article, with the footage in the previous video of the man in the window trying to get help and the daily mail article posted to give a follow up that the man was rescued.... and the only thing you pick out of that was they got the number of stories of the building wrong (and the spelling). :yerright:
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annabelle wrote:
Obviously a stupid mistake wasn't it. :yerright:

Out of that whole article, with the footage in the previous video of the man in the window trying to get help and the daily mail article posted to give a follow up that the man was rescued.... and the only thing you pick out of that was they got the number of stories of the building wrong (and the spelling). :yerright:


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massive fire engulfs tower block in west London 18 Jun 2017 14:34 #154

annabelle wrote:
New Yorkers had the right idea (not 24 stories high but still).. (and they didn't use flammable cladding)






Only thing is those outer stairway escapes would probably have been useless for most people in the situation of the Grenwell tower block fire? As most of the building from the outside looks like it was ablaze..

Good idea in practice though to have an external escape exit.

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Unfortunately many who live in council housing are too unhealthy and not of able body to deal with flights of stairs


:( I don't believe in these high rise tower tenement (council) buildings to begin with. How awful for the disabled who were caught in this horrible fire. :( nor should any of the disabled be left helpless in case of fire whether if they live in a tower block or not.

I having been looking at walkers the last while because an elderly relative of mine is going to be purchasing one and I came upon these....





Emergency Evacuation Chairs
www.pinterest.com/pin/318981586093041771/



Evacuation Chairs are compact and foldable mobile chairs used to evacuate people with a disability down stairs. Evacuation chairs may be manual or have a battery powered motor. The chairs have wheels and rubber tracks which allow for a controlled decent down stairs. Generally evacuation chairs have speed regulation devices and braking systems that control the speed of descent and have an additional brake when stationary.

evaculife.com.au/home/evacuation-chairs



There are chairs to get the disabled down flights of stairs (including in case of emergency), they of course cannot do it by themselves and in the case of Grenfell with the one stairwell with the difficult conditions, how fast the fire spread, people having to run down the stairs as quickly as possible to not be overcome by the smoke etc... as well as the many who were trapped... the emergency chairs probably wouldn't have been a lot of help but even if one life of a disabled person could have been saved... or any disabled person in case of emergency (fire).

Those emergency evacuation chairs for the disabled cost a lot of money... how are the fixed income disabled to pay for them? they shouldn't be left helpless in case of fire with no use of the elevators.
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Zorro wrote:
annabelle wrote:
New Yorkers had the right idea (not 24 stories high but still).. (and they didn't use flammable cladding)






Only thing is those outer stairway escapes would probably have been useless for most people in the situation of the Grenwell tower block fire? As most of the building from the outside looks like it was ablaze..

Good idea in practice though to have an external escape exit.


True.. which is why I added (in smaller fontsize) that those New York tenement buildings also didn't have flammable cladding, which makes a huge difference. The outer part of the buildings, where the outside fire exit emergency stairwell/ladders were (are) would not be going up in flames (and they weren't built 24 stories high). Grenfell Tower seems to have been a major catastrophe waiting to happen, that didn't have to happen at all.
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You know one of the most horrible things I did in training was having to find my way out of a pitch dark maze of narrow concrete tunnels, whilst training with French Naval special forces. You could barely fit inside the tunnels, and couldn't turn around once inside, and could only go one way to find your way out. There was only one way out, and all the other routes were dead ends, which meant you had to crawl & shuffle backwards when trapped.. I've climbed and abseiled from off tall buildings and down cliff faces without any real worries, but that tunnel maze was nasty. It's the worst feeling knowing you're stuck and trapped with nowhere to go.

The concrete tunnel maze exercise goes something like this, a group of you with full kit, including weapons, have to find your way out of a long network and maze of narrow concrete and pitch dark tunnels. You literally can't even see your hands in front of your face, you can only find your way around by feel and sound. All the while the instructor is throwing imitation grenades down holes into the building, causing smoke inside the tunnels, which means you have to also put your respirator on. It took our group about an hour to find our way out. Some groups take much longer to find their way out. You do get the feeling at some point that you're going to die in there. And that's the whole purpose of the exercise. I literally heard grown men break down and start crying whilst stuck inside..
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The 27 floors is either a meaningless typo (probable) or some meaningful change (don't think so).

The difference between 23 and 24 stems from European vs American floor count. In Europe they start with 0 as the ground floor, while in the Americas they start with 1.
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