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Coronavirus 26 Jan 2020 09:24 #61

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Coronavirus 26 Jan 2020 10:21 #62

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BBC Angelina Jolie teaches her kids how to eat Bugs and Scorpians

:umm:

Whilst I do understand that class A psycopathic hot women can be alluring... Brad shoulda stuck with Jen and found ways to make it more exciting.


Jen’s the ultimate pre-pubescent boy to girl tranny actor mate .... they get them done before puberty

They don’t have kids for a reason

- Aniston
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... are the best examples
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Coronavirus 26 Jan 2020 11:38 #63

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Orangeaid wrote:
novum wrote:
annabelle wrote:
BBC Angelina Jolie teaches her kids how to eat Bugs and Scorpians

:umm:

Whilst I do understand that class A psycopathic hot women can be alluring... Brad shoulda stuck with Jen and found ways to make it more exciting.


Jen’s the ultimate pre-pubescent boy to girl tranny actor mate .... they get them done before puberty

They don’t have kids for a reason

- Aniston
- Bullock

... are the best examples


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Coronavirus 26 Jan 2020 11:52 #64

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Wuhan Coronavirus (2019-nCoV) Global Cases (by JHU CSSE)
As of Jan 25, 2020 10 pm EST


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Coronavirus 26 Jan 2020 12:00 #65

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This is like a bad dream.
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Coronavirus 26 Jan 2020 12:01 #66

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And yet authorities in different countries allowed people who flew in from Wuhan (allowing them to fly in from Wuhan after knowing about how the virus was spreading and how easily it is spread), who were/are at risk of having the virus, to continue into their destinations.... into other countries.

Merely asking if they have felt ill or asking if they have a fever or taking their temperature is NOT ENOUGH considering that many do not show any signs right away, not for days or even weeks, and those people with NO symptoms as well as those with very mild symptoms (who don't know they have the virus or would not want to admit to it because they want to get out of Wuhan) can and will still spread the virus to many other people.

They were asking people who flew in from Wuhan, at international airports, after getting off their flights, if they felt okay and if so then handing them a leaflet on what to do if they become ill....THEN let them carry on from the airport into the population of their destination country. :facepalm:

NOW it has spread to other countries including the U.S., Europe and Canada (one case 95% confirmed).

It only takes one infected person, one person who showed no signs when they came into the country, to infect many other people with the virus, and then those people will infect many more.

Giving them a leaflet? :facepalm: please....

Now politicians from various countries have stated they are making arrangements to extract their own citizens from Wuhan.

At least France is going to take those French citizens arriving separately from Wuhan into quarantine for two weeks before releasing them into the population, but how much do they really know about this virus?

The U.S. is also making arrangements to extract Americans from Wuhan, are they going to be put directly into at least two weeks quarantine? and other people from other countries who are extracted? can they guarantee that the virus always shows symptoms within two weeks? can they guarantee the health and safety of those transporting them?
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Coronavirus 26 Jan 2020 12:10 #67

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So they're building a 1000-bed hospital for corona patients, from scratch, which will be ready in 10 days...



That's no hospital, that's a mass grave.


That's exactly what it looks like.

Not to mention the severe lack of trucks for all that muck they're moving about...
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Coronavirus 26 Jan 2020 12:11 #68

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And yet authorities in different countries allowed people who flew in from Wuhan, who were/are at risk of having the virus, to continue into their destinations.... into other countries.

Merely asking if they have felt ill or asking if they have a fever or taking their temperature is NOT ENOUGH considering that many do not show any signs right away, not for days or even weeks, and those people with NO symptoms as well as those with very mild symptoms (who don't know they have the virus or would not want to admit to it because they want to get out of Wuhan) can and will still spread the virus to many other people.

They were asking people who were in Wuhan, at international airports after getting off their flights, if they felt okay and if so then handing them a leaflet on what to do if they become ill....THEN let them carry on from the airport into another country.

NOW it has spread to other countries including the U.S., Europe and Canada (one case 95% confirmed).

It only takes one infected person, one person who showed no signs when they came into the country, to infect many other people with the virus, and then those people will infect many more.

Giving them a leaflet? :facepalm: please....

Now politicians from various countries have stated they are making arrangements to extract their own citizens from Wuhan.

At least France is going to take those French citizens arriving separately from Wuhan into quarantine for two weeks before releasing them into the population, but how much do they really know about this virus?

The U.S. is also making arrangements to extract Americans from Wuhan, are they going to be put directly into at least two weeks quarantine? and other people from other countries who are extracted? can they guarantee that the virus always shows symptoms within two weeks? can they guarantee the health and safety of those transporting them?


Exactly why it's terrifying.
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Coronavirus 26 Jan 2020 12:12 #69

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I read that in that province there exists a pathogen lab. No links cos I've forgotten where I read it.


www.nature.com/news/inside-the-chinese-lab-poised-to-study-world-s-most-dangerous-pathogens-1.21487

Inside the Chinese lab poised to study world's most dangerous pathogens

Maximum-security biolab is part of plan to build network of BSL-4 facilities across China.

A laboratory in Wuhan is on the cusp of being cleared to work with the world’s most dangerous pathogens. The move is part of a plan to build between five and seven biosafety level-4 (BSL-4) labs across the Chinese mainland by 2025, and has generated much excitement, as well as some concerns.

Some scientists outside China worry about pathogens escaping, and the addition of a biological dimension to geopolitical tensions between China and other nations. But Chinese microbiologists are celebrating their entrance to the elite cadre empowered to wrestle with the world’s greatest biological threats.

“It will offer more opportunities for Chinese researchers, and our contribution on the BSL‑4-level pathogens will benefit the world,” says George Gao, director of the Chinese Academy of Sciences Key Laboratory of Pathogenic Microbiology and Immunology in Beijing. There are already two BSL-4 labs in Taiwan, but the National Bio-safety Laboratory, Wuhan, would be the first on the Chinese mainland.

The lab was certified as meeting the standards and criteria of BSL-4 by the China National Accreditation Service for Conformity Assessment (CNAS) in January. The CNAS examined the lab’s infrastructure, equipment and management, says a CNAS representative, paving the way for the Ministry of Health to give its approval. A representative from the ministry says it will move slowly and cautiously; if the assessment goes smoothly, it could approve the laboratory by the end of June.

BSL-4 is the highest level of biocontainment: its criteria include filtering air and treating water and waste before they leave the laboratory, and stipulating that researchers change clothes and shower before and after using lab facilities. Such labs are often controversial. The first BSL-4 lab in Japan was built in 1981, but operated with lower-risk pathogens until 2015, when safety concerns were finally overcome.

The expansion of BSL-4-lab networks in the United States and Europe over the past 15 years — with more than a dozen now in operation or under construction in each region — also met with resistance, including questions about the need for so many facilities.


The Wuhan lab cost 300 million yuan (US$44 million), and to allay safety concerns it was built far above the flood plain and with the capacity to withstand a magnitude-7 earthquake, although the area has no history of strong earthquakes. It will focus on the control of emerging diseases, store purified viruses and act as a World Health Organization ‘reference laboratory’ linked to similar labs around the world. “It will be a key node in the global biosafety-lab network,” says lab director Yuan Zhiming.

The Chinese Academy of Sciences approved the construction of a BSL-4 laboratory in 2003, and the epidemic of SARS (severe acute respiratory syndrome) around the same time lent the project momentum. The lab was designed and constructed with French assistance as part of a 2004 cooperative agreement on the prevention and control of emerging infectious diseases. But the complexity of the project, China’s lack of experience, difficulty in maintaining funding and long government approval procedures meant that construction wasn’t finished until the end of 2014.

The lab’s first project will be to study the BSL-3 pathogen that causes Crimean–Congo haemorrhagic fever: a deadly tick-borne virus that affects livestock across the world, including in northwest China, and that can jump to people.

Future plans include studying the pathogen that causes SARS, which also doesn’t require a BSL-4 lab, before moving on to Ebola and the West African Lassa virus, which do. Some one million Chinese people work in Africa; the country needs to be ready for any eventuality, says Yuan. “Viruses don’t know borders.”

Gao travelled to Sierra Leone during the recent Ebola outbreak, allowing his team to report the speed with which the virus mutated into new strains1. The Wuhan lab will give his group a chance to study how such viruses cause disease, and to develop treatments based on antibodies and small molecules, he says.


The opportunities for international collaboration, meanwhile, will aid the genetic analysis and epidemiology of emergent diseases. “The world is facing more new emerging viruses, and we need more contribution from China,” says Gao. In particular, the emergence of zoonotic viruses — those that jump to humans from animals, such as SARS or Ebola — is a concern, says Bruno Lina, director of the VirPath virology lab in Lyon, France.

Many staff from the Wuhan lab have been training at a BSL-4 lab in Lyon, which some scientists find reassuring. And the facility has already carried out a test-run using a low-risk virus.

But worries surround the Chinese lab, too. The SARS virus has escaped from high-level containment facilities in Beijing multiple times, notes Richard Ebright, a molecular biologist at Rutgers University in Piscataway, New Jersey. Tim Trevan, founder of CHROME Biosafety and Biosecurity Consulting in Damascus, Maryland, says that an open culture is important to keeping BSL-4 labs safe, and he questions how easy this will be in China, where society emphasizes hierarchy. “Diversity of viewpoint, flat structures where everyone feels free to speak up and openness of information are important,” he says.

Yuan says that he has worked to address this issue with staff. “We tell them the most important thing is that they report what they have or haven’t done,” he says. And the lab’s inter­national collaborations will increase openness. “Transparency is the basis of the lab,” he adds.

The plan to expand into a network heightens such concerns. One BSL-4 lab in Harbin is already awaiting accreditation; the next two are expected to be in Beijing and Kunming, the latter focused on using monkey models to study disease.

Lina says that China’s size justifies this scale, and that the opportunity to combine BSL-4 research with an abundance of research monkeys — Chinese researchers face less red tape than those in the West when it comes to research on primates — could be powerful. “If you want to test vaccines or antivirals, you need a non-human primate model,” says Lina.

But Ebright is not convinced of the need for more than one BSL-4 lab in mainland China. He suspects that the expansion there is a reaction to the networks in the United States and Europe, which he says are also unwarranted. He adds that governments will assume that such excess capacity is for the potential development of bioweapons.

“These facilities are inherently dual use,” he says. The prospect of ramping up opportunities to inject monkeys with pathogens also worries, rather than excites, him: “They can run, they can scratch, they can bite.”

Trevan says China’s investment in a BSL-4 lab may, above all, be a way to prove to the world that the nation is competitive. “It is a big status symbol in biology,” he says, “whether it’s a need or not.”


I haven't looked into this yet but it throws a rather big spanner at this strain originating from animals.


Again... I don't believe for a minute this came from any animal.

The above facility is a couple kms from the apparent original outbreak.
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Coronavirus 26 Jan 2020 12:14 #70

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Orangeaid wrote:
novum wrote:
annabelle wrote:
BBC Angelina Jolie teaches her kids how to eat Bugs and Scorpians

:umm:

Whilst I do understand that class A psycopathic hot women can be alluring... Brad shoulda stuck with Jen and found ways to make it more exciting.


Jen’s the ultimate pre-pubescent boy to girl tranny actor mate .... they get them done before puberty

They don’t have kids for a reason

- Aniston
- Bullock

... are the best examples

Jennifer Aniston a transgender..? :noway:
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Coronavirus 26 Jan 2020 12:17 #71

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It only takes one infected person, one person who showed no signs when they came into the country, to infect many other people with the virus, and then those people will infect many more.


They're saying now the incubation period could be as much as 14 days which means that many people who were tested in the last couple of weeks would have shown a negative reading.

There are also 4 confirmed cases in Australia now too.
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Coronavirus 26 Jan 2020 12:29 #72

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Two Chinese Drs are also dead.
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Coronavirus 26 Jan 2020 12:31 #73

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Flare wrote:
Orangeaid wrote:
novum wrote:
annabelle wrote:
BBC Angelina Jolie teaches her kids how to eat Bugs and Scorpians

:umm:

Whilst I do understand that class A psycopathic hot women can be alluring... Brad shoulda stuck with Jen and found ways to make it more exciting.


Jen’s the ultimate pre-pubescent boy to girl tranny actor mate .... they get them done before puberty

They don’t have kids for a reason

- Aniston
- Bullock

... are the best examples

Jennifer Aniston a transgender..? :noway:

Nah..... not Jennifer

Now Serena Williams and Michelle Obama..... :wissl:
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Two Chinese Drs are also dead.

I do feel for those doctors and nurses (13 nurses were infected with the virus from one patient earlier on) working in desperate, very life threatening conditions, knowing that by continuing to treat SO MANY that there is a good chance they too will come down with the virus, even with protective gear on.

I have to wonder if western doctors and nurses would quit/flee en masse under the same conditions in the western hemisphere (I think many of them would).
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Nah..... not Jennifer

God I hope that is the case.



But ya got to wonder about Bullock.

www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bullock

ok... back on topic...
I remember the good old days, when 90+ year olds in nursing homes lived forever. Darn this pesky virus.

1365 = 1

1.1365 = 1,283,305,580,313,352
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annabelle wrote:
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Two Chinese Drs are also dead.

I do feel for those doctors and nurses (13 nurses were infected with the virus from one patient earlier on) working in desperate, very life threatening conditions, knowing that by continuing to treat SO MANY that there is a good chance they too will come down with the virus, even with protective gear on.

I have to wonder if western doctors and nurses would quit/flee en masse under the same conditions in the western hemisphere (I think many of them would).


The clips of very distressed nurses and Drs trying to get messages out to the world are coming down as quick as they're going up some of them. Whether they're all real or not is obviously debatable but it's bad regardless.

Looks like we'll find out how the medical profession in the west will cope.
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I remember the Mexican flu also starting off quite ‘fast’ and ‘deadly’ with sick people popping up in several countries.

However, in the end the disease didn’t seem to be so deadly at all and was comparable with a regular flu?


Don’t know if it’s different this time though.

Fact that we’ve been tricked multiple times before doesn’t mean it can’t be for real this time.
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I remember the Mexican flu also starting off quite ‘fast’ and ‘deadly’ with sick people popping up in several countries.

However, in the end the disease didn’t seem to be so deadly at all and was comparable with a regular flu?


Don’t know if it’s different this time though.

Fact that we’ve been tricked multiple times before doesn’t mean it can’t be for real this time.


The footage coming out of China that's not in the mainstream is horrendous. The fact that nearly 60 million people are on lock down and confined to these cities is unprecedented in history. And the fact that the media is playing the whole thing down is disgusting.

I'll say it again too... the numbers we are hearing will be masses more, as will the death toll and so far it just seems to be one cock up after another as far as containing this goes.
It's a total mindfuck that they're allowed this to get as far as it has - which only leaves the conclusion that it's very much out of control.
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Update on pneumonia of new coronavirus infection as of 24:00 on January 25
Release time: 2020-01-26Source : Health Emergency Office
  At 04:00 on January 25, 2020, 29 provinces (autonomous regions and municipalities) reported 688 new confirmed cases, 87 new severe cases, and 15 new deaths (13 in Hubei Province and 1 in Shanghai). 1 case in Henan Province), 11 new cases were cured and discharged, and 1309 new cases were suspected.

  As of 24:00 on January 25th, the National Health Commission had received a total of 1975 confirmed cases in 30 provinces (autonomous regions and municipalities) and 324 severe cases. A total of 56 deaths and 49 cases were cured and discharged. There are 2684 suspected cases.

  At present, 23,431 close contacts have been tracked, 325 medical observations have been lifted on the same day, and 21,556 people are currently undergoing medical observations.
  A total of 5 confirmed cases were reported from Hong Kong, Macao and Taiwan: 5 in the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region, 2 in the Macau Special Administrative Region, and 3 in Taiwan, China.
  In addition, a total of confirmed cases notified abroad: 4 cases in Thailand (2 cases have been cured), 2 cases in Japan (1 case has been cured), 2 cases in Korea, 2 cases in the United States, 2 cases in Vietnam, 3 cases in Singapore, and 3 cases in Malaysia One case was in Nepal, three in France, and one in Australia.
4659 coronavirus cases is an increase of 1407 in 1 day

recombinomics.co/topic/4520-ncov-cases-in-china-jump-to-4659-1975-confirmed-2684-suspect/?tab=comments#comment-15176


Approx 1500 new cases a day :(
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It's just not getting any better...



Mystery surrounds ouster of Chinese researchers from Canadian laboratory


Canadian researchers are reacting with puzzlement to the news that a “policy breach” has caused the nation’s only high-containment disease laboratory to bar a prominent Chinese Canadian virologist, her biologist husband, and a number of students from the facility.

On 5 July, officials at the National Microbiology Laboratory (NML) in Winnipeg, Canada, escorted Xiangguo Qiu, biologist Keding Cheng, and an unknown number of her students from the lab and revoked their access rights, according to Canadian media reports. The Public Health Agency of Canada, which operates the lab, confirmed it had referred an “administrative matter” matter to the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, but said it would not provide additional details because of privacy concerns.

A number of observers have speculated that case involves concerns about the improper transfer of intellectual property to China. (All of the researchers involved are believed to be Asian.) But Frank Plummer, a former scientific director of NML who left in 2015, says the lab isn’t an obvious target for academic or industrial espionage. “There is nothing highly secret there, and all the work gets published in the open literature,” he says. “I don’t know what anyone would hope to gain by spying.”

The lab works in a wide range of biomedical fields. Qiu is known for helping develop ZMapp, a treatment for Ebola virus that was fast-tracked through development during the 2014–16 outbreak in West Africa. She has repeatedly been honored for her work on that project, including with a Governor General’s Innovation Award last year.

“While I was there [Qiu] was always highly regarded as a scientist,” says Plummer, adding that he was “shocked and puzzled” when he heard she was being investigated. “She maintained connections with China, but as far as I knew she was a regular Canadian scientist.”

Cheng, Qiu’s husband, also worked as a biologist at NML. And both researchers held adjunct faculty positions at the University of Manitoba in Winnipeg. It says it has terminated their positions and reassigned their students as a result of the investigation.

Neither Qiu nor Cheng could be reached for comment.

The development comes at a sensitive time for relations between Canada and China. In December 2018, Canada arrested Chinese Huawei executive Meng Wanzhou at the request of the United States. In retaliation, China has arrested two Canadian men on espionage charges and sentenced a third to death for drug offenses.

It also comes as the U.S. National Institutes of Health (NIH) has raised concerns that some grantees have failed to disclose ties to China and other nations, or improperly shared confidential information. The concerns have led several universities to oust researchers who are ethnic Chinese and return grant funds to NIH. The crackdown has raised concerns among the Chinese American community of racial profiling. In Canada, the nation’s Security Intelligence Service has long warned of state-sponsored espionage, and in 2014, the Canadian government alleged that China was behind a cyberattack on Canada’s National Research Council.





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