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Freedom of Expression 10 Jun 2017 07:57 #61

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Ausrotten wrote:
Orange immigrant shill trolling for the corrupt 'moderator'.

@novum, can you not plug that cuck immigrant with a smaller IQ than an Ashkenazi Jew, perhaps we should have a 'stay in your ancestral home' thread, he won't be permitted to post on it, oh yeah, neither will you :larf:

That's two things he's got in common with Gaia;

1) Disruptive troll
2) An immigrant

I'd much rather be a proud white man descended from hard working white Anglo-German ancestors who came to a land and built it into one of the most prosperous nations on earth in not more than 200 years, than a native abo with the lowest IQ on earth.

The only thing abos have invented is the boomerang, and the ones you can buy in the tourist shops are far better than the ones abos make.

You are on the other hand are from an evil satanic tribe of parasites who invent nothing. Just steal.

Jews and abos actually have child sex abuse in common. Your sick evil Rabbis have long preached that sex with 3 year olds is nothing. Per your satanic Holy Talmud it is nothing more than "a poke in the eye"

Abos are on a par with the Williamsburg Hasidic community actually. 50% of kids in that 1 million strong community of insular sick and degenerate Jews are thought to be abused. Abos hand kids around the community and love nothing more than putting porn on for the kids instead of The Wiggles.

Your tribe probably thinks that's great given the shekels they'd make from selling porn to abos.
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Freedom of Expression 10 Jun 2017 11:07 #62

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^ Shut up immigrant, you have a lower IQ than an Ashkenazi Jew.
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Freedom of Expression 10 Jun 2017 11:15 #63

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According to the new moderation ethos, it's ok for a moderator to call other members pricks, twats, whatever they like, but if the same is returned the post gets censored.

So it's all about moderation authority rather than truth, that explains why posts on topic by certain members get more often vented, even when they are on topic and contain no abuse.

The forum is presently corrupt.
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Freedom of Expression 10 Jun 2017 12:28 #64

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He then went to on delete my post from the thread which is linked in the opening post of the now locked and vented thread titled ''@novum'' and a number of other posts that exposed his corruption and lies.

Censorship, censorship, censorship!

It's now like David Icke Forum ''Do Not Criticise Moderation''.
''Respect My Authority Gnaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrr''


DG would never have let this happen.

Don;t be surprised if this thread gets vented, locked, and this post deleted, I've now had my forum profile tampered with, corruption is rife.

It's people like you with your constant whining and bitching (based on lies, falsifications, and pure exaggeration, I'll add) that ruins it for the majority.

Criticizing moderation has never been a taboo here, neither will it ever be. That is at least when honest, sensible, sane, and rational adults are concerned, and not pathetic, dishonest, childish little trouble makers who can't go about it without always making something out of nothing, or repeatedly making up bullshit and gross exaggerations and lies.

So if any members are wondering why I locked the threads on my moderation, they only have YOU to blame for that. I will reopen the threads when things settle and calm down a bit. As it's not fair on the other members, and because criticising moderation here is certainly no taboo. Note, any of your repetitive bullshit & lies and spam Will get deleted.

That's it now, this thread has taken the exact same course I fully excepted it to take, and as such will also now be moved and merged with the other thread on my moderation in the members area. Or at least the posts on my moderation will anyhow. The same will now apply for any subsequent or similar one's which follow, either in here, or anywhere else on the forum.

This thread isn't about freedom of expression at all, it's just a rebadged thread under a different name &.label, to try and perpetuate the same bullshit about me. Which I called it out for almost straight away.

If anything your constant bitching and whining has served to reinforce Novum's faith in me to moderate the boards in a sensible and fair fashion. Nobody would still be moderating the place if Nov thought for one minute they were a c**t. Constantly attacking me for supposedly being ''unfair & biased'' is also indirectly attacking novum, and accusing him of the very same thing.

I warned you if you persisted with this pathetic childish bullshit that you were on a very steep slippery slope downwards to nowhere, didn't I.
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Freedom of Expression 10 Jun 2017 13:24 #65

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'Moderator' ''you're a prick'' ''these posters are twats'' ''fuck off''.


Poster ''Your'e a clueless twat''


'Moderator' Vent/censor/edit delete/lock etc etc


The hot air in your post is total bullishit, yes novum is right some posters including myself have given you a hard time, but you brought that all on yourself with your wank shaft behaviour, you're like the boy who takes away his football because others have seen him as the spoilt brat that he is.

I don't happen to often agree with Ragnarock nor a number of other posters on this forum, and I'm not a fan of his short posts, but that is no reason to commence a 'moderators' vendetta against him, just like you did with wiiikiid and are attempting to do with me, and anyone who supports me.

It's not a case of ''can't please everyone'' it's a case of you being a bias censoring prick.

Perhaps if you were man enough to apologise for your corruption, or at least stop performing it, posters would no longer need to call you out on it. What you want is to act like a bias tosser and everyone to simply respond by saying nothing or well done.

That's not going to happen is it, so the ball is in your court.
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Freedom of Expression 10 Jun 2017 22:39 #66

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Ausrotten wrote:
The forum is being wrecked due to the mood swings and bad temper of a Fascist moderator, so much for the old ''self moderation'' we now have a ''centralised control system'' the very thing that novum and frog never wanted, DG would never have let this happen.


Sorry mate but a "centralised control system" is exactly what TZ was intended to be, i was part of those pre TZ discussions and part of creating TZ.

So for you to state what 'novum and frog never wanted' and 'DG would never have let this happen' is incorrect.... TZ was created from the outset to have top down admin and moderation in place, or as you named it, a centralised control system.

What i have stated is that members should do their best to self moderate, but with that said, when moderators feel that intervention is necessary, we will.
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Freedom of Expression 11 Jun 2017 00:45 #67

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novum wrote:
Ausrotten wrote:
The forum is being wrecked due to the mood swings and bad temper of a Fascist moderator, so much for the old ''self moderation'' we now have a ''centralised control system'' the very thing that novum and frog never wanted, DG would never have let this happen.


Sorry mate but a "centralised control system" is exactly what TZ was intended to be, i was part of those pre TZ discussions and part of creating TZ.

So for you to state what 'novum and frog never wanted' and 'DG would never have let this happen' is incorrect.... TZ was created from the outset to have top down admin and moderation in place, or as you named it, a centralised control system.

What i have stated is that members should do their best to self moderate, but with that said, when moderators feel that intervention is necessary, we will.

Seems like novum is talking untruths as to be bias towards the bias 'mod' (zorro) lol at least the new system is consistent and they are both lying.

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You're missing the point entirely as usual. There was and never has been an intention to moderate this site from a centralised control system, because we know it can only end in a bad place for people living between the cracks
Post #452 ''Ok, here's the deal'' thread.

Seems like the decision to back Zorro's censorship and corrption has put novum in a sticky situation, I wonder what mental gymnastics he will use to wriggle out of this one?
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Freedom of Expression 11 Jun 2017 00:47 #68

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Surely you've got some white phosphorous bombs to prepare to drop on Gaza in the name of tolerance
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Freedom of Expression 11 Jun 2017 00:50 #69

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^ Surely you got another country to migrate to/invade?
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Ausrotten wrote:
^ Shut up immigrant, you have a lower IQ than an Ashkenazi Jew.

You must rue that your tribe rejected the potential Zionist homeland in the middle of the Australian desert.

You must really regret not having been able to spend lots of quality time in the tent with the myriad of fly blown 28 stone alcoholic gins you would have had in your false chosen people homeland
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^ Is that a symptom of drink or drugs?
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Oh nov-nov, it's Frothy!!





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Ausrotten wrote:
Seems like the decision to back Zorro's censorship and corrption has put novum in a sticky situation, I wonder what mental gymnastics he will use to wriggle out of this one?

Top down moderation was the MO of TZ from the get go, as DG stated here...

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Our new site is called Truth Zone, and is complete.

We hope that every single one of you will join us there. It will retain the original core values of both this and the original Sanctum site, and will still be open to community involvement, but that involvement will be more retrospective. Opinions and feedback received from members will continue to be taken into consideration, but we the administration team will make the final deci­sions on how best to go about managing the site in the best interests of the membership as a whole.

sanctum.truth-zone.net/forum/The-Community-Chest/63897-to-all-members-important-announcement-please-read.html#63897


Now that bolded part obviously includes moderation... we make the final decisions.

You werent part of making SZ, you werent part of the discussions that TZ was born out of either, TZ was created to be moderated by moderators appointed by admins, and make moderation decisions at moderators discretion, unlike SZ.

TZ was created so that decisions could be made by moderators and admins, not members. Simple really.. and thats how it is.

The "issue" or contradiction you so gleefully are gloating over between what ive said and what frog said perhaps hinges on what the definition of a 'centralised control system' in regards to this forum actually means....

what i think Frog was getting at there when he spoke of people between the cracks is moderation that excludes certain viewpoints, ie bullies or removes them off the forum entirely.... we dont have that here... you get to say pretty much what you like on all the topics here, and be of almost any ideological persuasion.... now your gripe on top of that is that you arent always allowed to call moderators twats and such, well too bad.

At the end of the day, we left SZ and created TZ to have admins and admin appointed mods call the shots, and thats how it is, and we know and accept that we cant please everybody, sometimes that might mean we cant please Ausrotten because he isnt always permitted to call appointed moderators twats... we reserve the right to edit and/or delete posts and suspend or ban members if deemed necessary without consulting the membership on any of these decisions, and this was the idea before TZ was even open to members.
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Freedom of Expression 11 Jun 2017 14:14 #74

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As I said ^ mental gymnastics.

There is nothing in DG's post that said this is to be a ''centralised control system'' forum as you claimed that it was, and Frog clearly stated that that was never the intention either.

The point of DG's post that you quoted is that this is not going to be run like a system of votes as per SanctumZone where all actions are actioned via votes or member discussions.

And I think he's quite right, and that is how this forum used to be.

What it is now is a ''centralised control system'' where the moderation have taken over the forum by means of censorship.

I don't see either Frog nor DG suggesting that, if anything Frog has suggested the complete opposite with his points regarding members curtailing their own behaviour and taking responsibility for that. Rather than moderators choosing to intervene in that process.

Admin making the ''final decisions'' regarding the management of the forum ''in the best interests of the membership as a whole'' does not translate into a ''centralised control system'' where the forum 'management' is using the moderation functions to silence members, remove posts from conversations which are on topic and contain no member/member abuse, edit posts, lock threads, delete posts, in that form of 'centralised control' but rather to adjust the sail so to speak, so that the forum is run in the best interest of all the members.

Now I know you 'can't please everyone all the time' and nobody is expecting that, but to use this theme of ''centralised control'' to attack various posters via a moderation vendetta, is hardly what DG seems to have suggested within the quote that you gave.

Having the ''final say'' dos not mean my way or no way (Fascist Dictator) as what we are now getting with this centralised control theme that has emerged over the past year or so.
Ausrotten because he isnt always permitted to call appointed moderators twats.

But it's fine for ''appointed moderators'' to refer to other members as ''twats'' ''pricks'' etc etc.... That's the bit you always seem to glide over.

It's also worth noting that DG had also said this in his post that you quoted from.

Hi everyone.

We the founders and administrators of SZ have from its inception aimed to establish a community which is all inclusive, friendly and well spirited. Our original remit was and still is to create a community where members have a voice in the way things are run and where they can contribute without being bullied, harassed or belittled, regardless of their views and opinions. We believe that a healthy vibrant community requires balance which can only be achieved when everyone respects the rights of others to hold different views to those of their own

Which most certainly does not occur on TZ these days, with Zorro's stupid vendettas against Wiikiiid, Ragnarock, Zax, Me, etc etc, we have been telling you time and again that the forum is unbalanced, your answer once was ''but you have me'' but we don't do we.
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Just as a side note:


Ausrotten wrote:
a 'moderators' vendetta
Ausrotten wrote:
moderation vendetta

Frog wrote:
So here we have you obfuscating the reality of how the site is managed to further your obvious vendetta against Zorro.

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Just ban the whining biatch

How much forum space is wasted by the incessant whining of an autistic Jew with permanent PMS
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So if admins ultimately make all decisions, and the site was founded on that premise then what is it, if not centralised control?

Or as ive labelled it before, a benevolent dictatorship.. because thats what it is essentially... it ultimately is admins way or no way, i make no bones about that, never have.

You can waffle on all day writing walls of texts, simple fact is, we made SZ, couldnt mod and admin how we wanted to or deemed best for the well being of the sites inclusivity and growth, so created TZ to take charge of those aspects, which is what we do here, and that includes editing the occasional post when a member such as yourself addresses a moderator as a twat.
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Hello and welcome to Truth Zone - A place where you can speak your truth, freely and openly. This is an open-minded place.


But if you make short posts, use sources that the 'moderator' does not like, or respond to his member to member abuse you will be censored, your post will be edited, your posts will be removed from the forum conversations where you placed them, or simply deleted from the forum facade because the 'moderator' is a ''Fascist Dictator'' troll who can't stand to see opposing views.
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So if admins ultimately make all decisions, and the site was founded on that premise then what is it, if not centralised control?

Or as ive labelled it before, a benevolent dictatorship.. because thats what it is essentially... it ultimately is admins way or no way, i make no bones about that, never have.

You can waffle on all day writing walls of texts, simple fact is, we made SZ, couldnt mod and admin how we wanted to or deemed best for the well being of the sites inclusivity and growth, so created TZ to take charge of those aspects, which is what we do here, and that includes editing the occasional post when a member such as yourself addresses a moderator as a twat.

Who's going to edit the occasional post when the 'moderator' refers to other members as twats etc..?

As for the bit that I bolded on my quote of your post, having the ''final say'' is way down the line from using ones say on a daily basis to control the forum from a centralised stand point. i.e If some members want abc, and other member want xyz, they DG is saying you have the final say.

That's not the same as the admin team inflicting a centralised control theme via is a systematic way, to curtail members from being able to ''speak your truth'' is it.

What's happened now is that the ''final say'' has become a stick to hit members with, that was never DG's intention, I'm sure.
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If you refrain from abusing other members and moderators, dont be a troll or WUM, and stick to discussing the topics at hand, which may or may not include your ideological position no matter how far removed it is from any moderators present, youre much more likely to have your posts left intact.. simple really.. and the majority of members here can grasp that concept.
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