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Will the real Jeremy Corbyn please Stand Up! 05 Feb 2019 20:56 #1

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Will the real Jeremy Corbyn please Stand Up! 05 Feb 2019 21:00 #2

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“Jeremy Corbyn Is More Brexit Than I Am!” - Nigel Farage
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Will the real Jeremy Corbyn please Stand Up! 05 Feb 2019 21:17 #3

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What you "brexiters" just dont seem to understand is that this issue is far more nuanced than you are making it.

Yes the EU is bad and an elitist configuration. THat isn't the issue.

The issue is, what exactly is going to replace the EU.

When Jeremy Corbyn is attacking the EU, he is attacking the EU FROM THE LEFT.

The people behind Brexit do not intend to replace the EU with leftist policies, they intend to implement policies further to THE RIGHT.

That is more deregulation, more austerity, etc. etc.

So yeah its fine and dandy to criticize the EU for being a manifestation of the oligarchs, but when your solution is deregulation so that oligarchs can hide more of their money in offshore accounts, then getting out of the EU isn't all its made to be.

YOu are simply jumping from a frying pan into a fire, and that is what "brexiters" just dont seem to understand.

Whatever Corbyn wanted to replace the EU with in the past, you can be damn sure that isn't what the Murdoch empire, the Mercers, Bannon, Cambridge Analytica crew have in store.

Change isn't always positive.
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Will the real Jeremy Corbyn please Stand Up! 05 Feb 2019 21:25 #4

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Corbyn like all the others won't take on the financial criminal might in the Corporation of the City of London.

He won't talk about usury or fractional reserve lending.

Before becoming leader of the opposition, he did support a motion to bring back the "Bradbury Pound". But now he's silent.

Message to Jeremy Corbyn and John McDonnell

"John and Jeremy – back in November 2013, you both sponsored Early Day Motion 748 which read as follows:

That this House notes that the hundredth anniversary of the Bradbury Pound on 7 August 2014 is a welcome reminder of the historic precedent for public credit as the sound basis for debt-and interest-free Treasury money and therefore the sound alternative to the national debt and interest-bearing bank money; congratulates the Forum for Stable Currencies for having promoted the public credit since 2002; and urges HM Treasury to follow John Bradbury's model and address social, economic and political issues across party lines in one fell swoop and avoid wholly unnecessary austerity cuts.

www.parliament.uk/edm/2013-14/748

As truth-seeking and rebellious backbenchers, you clearly recognised that Public Credit (or Sovereign National Credit as it is known today), in the form of the very successful Treasury-issued Bradbury Pound, was THE way to end austerity ‘in one fell swoop’.

So, we are compelled to ask then, as both of you are now very high profile frontbench politicians, why have you not mentioned once the Bradbury Pound and what it can actually do to transform for the better the entire British economy? You both know that a sovereign nation doesn’t have to borrow debt-laden money from the private financial sector – so why do you persist in talking about borrowing when discussing the tens, if not hundreds of billions, you believe are vitally needed to inject into the British economy? And why do you both avoid meeting with experts and campaigners who want to discuss with you the restoration of the Bradbury Pound?

Since becoming Leader of the Opposition and Shadow Chancellor, your campaigning rhetoric on the hustings has always been about giving people ‘hope’ and ‘change’ for the future. Surely this is just empty and meaningless rhetoric if you will not now pursue what you genuinely believed would work as passionate and unburdened backbenchers? You have a very real solution to austerity and poverty in your hands but seemingly, as Privy Councillors and part of the self-perpetuating Establishment, you are now both hamstrung and unable to act for the proven and badly needed truth. What does this say about your integrity? And what will your supporters say?

Hardly anyone knows about the fiscal arrangement of Sovereign National Credit and how a sovereign nation’s government can create, issue and control all of its own debt-free and interest-free money through its treasury without being reliant on the private bankers or any sort of complex and personally invasive direct taxation system – in other words, money that is created based on the actual wealth and creativity of the nation. Just one question on the Bradbury Pound at PMQ would transform that situation overnight. So, how about it Jeremy? Your supporters at least deserve this. Let’s get the public debate going on Sovereign National Credit.

And John, instead of having private, confidential meetings with Hedge Fund Managers and searching for complex ways to ‘play’ the City of London’s system of debt creation and debt servitude, why don’t you simply speak out against the whole rotten financial system that you know ultimately benefits only the ‘one-per-cent’ at the expense of the rest of us.

Come on Jeremy… come on John, let’s all work together to get rid of this totally corrupt financial system hook, line and sinker and so nullify the criminal influence of the private financiers and central bankers and, in particular, the Bank for International Settlements. Sovereign National Credit is the ONLY system of liquidity creation to benefit ALL of the people, ALL of the time. So please my friends, do what you know is fundamentally right - carry out your EDM 748 and let’s all prosper from a tried and tested, common sense SOLUTION to money creation and money supply. The people queuing at the Food Banks at least deserve that!

We await to hear from you."

www.newchartistmovement.org.uk/correspondence-with-our-public-servants/message-to-jeremy-corbyn-and-john-mcdonnell
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Will the real Jeremy Corbyn please Stand Up! 05 Feb 2019 21:55 #5

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'Where's Jeremy Corbyn?': anti-Brexit protesters chant in London
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Will the real Jeremy Corbyn please Stand Up! 05 Feb 2019 22:01 #6

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Corbyn isn't being himself, he's trying to please all the members of the Labour Party and it's funders,

Corbyn doesn't like the EU, it's not a matter of replacing the EU, it's a matter of just being how the country was before joining it to start with.

The problem is, in being the leader of the Labour Party he's sort of no longer being himself and has shelved his own views.
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Will the real Jeremy Corbyn please Stand Up! 05 Feb 2019 22:27 #7

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Just because Corbyn would prefer to replace the EU with 'Leftists politics' and the for example Jacob Rees-Mogg's would prefer to replace it with Right Wing politics isn't the point.

The point is, Corbyn doesn't really want to be in the EU, neither do the Right Wing brexiteers, so there is a common ground which is get out of the EU.

What happens after that, could be that people will take more interest in the politics in their own nation of Britain, presently there's little point as it's governed by the EU, so you're only voting for who you want to implement EU policy.

if Corbyn even got voted in as PM and Britain left the EU, the nation wouldn't go all Leftist, he still has to try and get what he wants to be voted for through parliament, he still has to please the middle grounders in the Labour Party, and the funders.

The important point is that if you want to have a sort of democracy where you vote for your preferred style of Government you're wasting your time if the EU is already telling you all what to do regardless.

I mean here it is Vancity Eagle, Direct Democracy in action and people are out to try and scupper it, there's no point in having Direct Democracy if you're not going to accept it's results and keep voting over and over until the preferred outcome is reached.

So no matter the reason for Corbyn or people on the Right for wanting to be out of the EU, at least what they desire to replace the EU with will be put to the vote in the ballet box, if people don't want Leftism, they'll vote Right, and vice versa.

I think what people like Nigel Farage accept is that they'd rather have Corbyn's Leftists government to deal with than the EU, because they can vote Corbyn out, or discredit his policies and encourage others to vote him out, and vice versa.

The issue went to the ballet box and we had our direct democracy and we voted to leave, so there's only one thing left to do, it's to leave, and then accept that the House of Commons will be our political arena, it's as simple as that.

Corbyn is suppressing his anti European Union views, just as May is suppressing her pro EU views. it's all a bit fucked up.
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Will the real Jeremy Corbyn please Stand Up! 05 Feb 2019 23:40 #8

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Wasting your time with Van he doesnt have a fucking clue about Brexit...just repeats the same shit. Rinse & repeat commie propagator..

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Will the real Jeremy Corbyn please Stand Up! 06 Feb 2019 01:27 #9

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Well there won't be any British or Irish police observing a border, so I don't see how the EU can enforce anything, they'll simply make themselves unpopular with the Republic of Ireland for doing so...if they try and get troops from other EU nations to do it.

If the Republic of Ireland and the EU get into a squabble over that, then let them do so, as long as no British/Northern Ireland police authorities get involved then it's an issue between the ROI and the EU, but the ROI won't be liking that at all, so it's up to them to argue with the EU about it, the rest of us should just wait and see what they decide, we can't stop the ROI and the EU putting up a border if that's what they want.

it's only going to result in the EU pissing off one of it's members.
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Will the real Jeremy Corbyn please Stand Up! 06 Feb 2019 01:33 #10

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I see the video on the o/p has been taken down already so here's another version.

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Will the real Jeremy Corbyn please Stand Up! 07 Feb 2019 20:47 #11

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Corbyn is either a self obsessed puppet or a complete idiot. If the plan really is to destroy Islam Britain then he will be shoehorned into the top job.
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Will the real Jeremy Corbyn please Stand Up! 08 Feb 2019 15:33 #12

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Vancity Eagle wrote:
What you "brexiters" just dont seem to understand is that this issue is far more nuanced than you are making it.

Yes the EU is bad and an elitist configuration. THat isn't the issue.

The issue is, what exactly is going to replace the EU.

When Jeremy Corbyn is attacking the EU, he is attacking the EU FROM THE LEFT.

The people behind Brexit do not intend to replace the EU with leftist policies, they intend to implement policies further to THE RIGHT.

That is more deregulation, more austerity, etc. etc.

So yeah its fine and dandy to criticize the EU for being a manifestation of the oligarchs, but when your solution is deregulation so that oligarchs can hide more of their money in offshore accounts, then getting out of the EU isn't all its made to be.

YOu are simply jumping from a frying pan into a fire, and that is what "brexiters" just dont seem to understand.

Whatever Corbyn wanted to replace the EU with in the past, you can be damn sure that isn't what the Murdoch empire, the Mercers, Bannon, Cambridge Analytica crew have in store.

Change isn't always positive.
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Will the real Jeremy Corbyn please Stand Up! 08 Feb 2019 15:52 #13

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I've always preferred the Tories over Labour, but Theresa May is such a pathetic waffling mess of a woman that I'm beginning to hope Corbyn becomes Prime Minister next time, something I never thought I'd hear myself say.
The only hope for the Tories is to get rid of May as soon as possible and make Rees-Mogg Tory leader in time for the next Gen Election.
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Will the real Jeremy Corbyn please Stand Up! 08 Feb 2019 17:41 #14

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I've always preferred the Tories over Labour, but Theresa May is such a pathetic waffling mess of a woman that I'm beginning to hope Corbyn becomes Prime Minister next time, something I never thought I'd hear myself say.
The only hope for the Tories is to get rid of May as soon as possible and make Rees-Mogg Tory leader in time for the next Gen Election.
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Theresa May is not a Conservative, she's a Crypto-Marxist


Jacob Rees-Mogg would have my vote too
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Will the real Jeremy Corbyn please Stand Up! 09 Feb 2019 00:45 #15

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What you "brexiters" just dont seem to understand is that this issue is far more nuanced than you are making it.

Yes the EU is bad and an elitist configuration. THat isn't the issue.

The issue is, what exactly is going to replace the EU.

When Jeremy Corbyn is attacking the EU, he is attacking the EU FROM THE LEFT.

The people behind Brexit do not intend to replace the EU with leftist policies, they intend to implement policies further to THE RIGHT.

That is more deregulation, more austerity, etc. etc.

So yeah its fine and dandy to criticize the EU for being a manifestation of the oligarchs, but when your solution is deregulation so that oligarchs can hide more of their money in offshore accounts, then getting out of the EU isn't all its made to be.

YOu are simply jumping from a frying pan into a fire, and that is what "brexiters" just dont seem to understand.

Whatever Corbyn wanted to replace the EU with in the past, you can be damn sure that isn't what the Murdoch empire, the Mercers, Bannon, Cambridge Analytica crew have in store.

Change isn't always positive.

its not that simple

yes the cabal use shareholder corporations to grab all the wealth and to capture government so that they can remove regulation of their corporations

But their corporations are building the 'smart' technologies. They are building the 5G that will allow the 'internet of things'. They are building the blockchains and digital currencies that will allow them to get rid of cash. They are building the RF microchips that they are now putting in people. They are building the artificial intelligence and the autonomous vehicles. The corporations are building the TECHNOCRACY

Those corporations are tied to the deep state for example google and darpa trace back to the pentagon and the whole 5G thing is being pushed by israeli tech companies and in israel it is all integrated to their deep state

if you look at the 'green deal' that the left is pushing in america it is basically paving the way to the technocracy by pushing smart cities and a crack down on the use of fossil fuels. This means that all people living off grid and out of the grip of the corporations will not be allowed to burn wood in their stoves anymore. Everything will be monitored and controlled using the tech of the corporations to make sure everyone is complying with the 'green' regime. Its tyranny in the backdoor

so there are two wings to this conspiracy. One wing is the corporatocracy but the other wing is the communist technocracy and the corporatocracy is merely the stepping stone to the technocracy

The answer to mega-corporations is not big government because they are two sides of the same coin unless of course you can ensure that the big government is free from cabal control and how many western governments can claim that?

Corbyn is selling out the 60% of labour constituencies that voted for brexit by trying to keep us in the customs union and the single market. The single market will mean we cannot trade outside the EU and will be bound by EU legislation and the customs union will mean that we have to keep freedom of movement and the cabal will continue to ram migrants down our throat until our society is dissolved and we simply merge with their globalist EU superstate

By backing the EU Corbyn is working for the technocracy and the EU is a big driving force behind 5G and SMART meters
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Will the real Jeremy Corbyn please Stand Up! 09 Feb 2019 00:48 #16

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Corbyn like all the others won't take on the financial criminal might in the Corporation of the City of London.

He won't talk about usury or fractional reserve lending.

Before becoming leader of the opposition, he did support a motion to bring back the "Bradbury Pound". But now he's silent.

since coming to power corbyn has given ken livingston the boot for speaking about the havara agreement and momentum gave jackie walker the boot for not supporting the international definition of anti semitism which sought to silence any criticism of israel

instead momentum has promoted the two zionist champagne socialist millionaires jon lansman and james schneider

this is why we are seeing the labour party being corruscated by the zionists: because they are in control
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Will the real Jeremy Corbyn please Stand Up! 09 Feb 2019 09:19 #17

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Theresa May is not a Conservative, she's a Crypto-Marxist


You don't know what a Marxist is, they don't hide and pretend to be something else, They're open about it. They don't pretend to be economic Conservatives you loon.
The film transforms Kahlo into a transnational cultural icon that can be accessed by all – and her anti-Americanism, bisexuality, and her radical Stalinist politics are played down. In their place, Salma Hayek’s Frida embodies talent and physical attractiveness. Time and again, the filmic Frida overcomes suffering and the numerous infidelities of her famous husband, the muralist Diego Rivera.

It is no wonder that May – faced with the threats of betrayals of her cabinet and deeply unpopular with the electorate – channelled this version of Frida Kahlo and her narrative of triumph over adversity. Kahlo’s long battle with pain – so often referenced in her work – may present the Prime Minister with the ideal symbol for her own political travails. It is this Kahlo, the commodified powerful icon that May is comfortable embracing – not the Stalinist and Communist party activist who would have been horrified at being reduced to a fashion accessory on the Conservative leader’s wrist.
www.independent.co.uk/voices/theresa-may-frida-kahlo-bracelet-communism-trotsky-stalin-commodification-a7988146.html


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Will the real Jeremy Corbyn please Stand Up! 09 Feb 2019 10:44 #18

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You don't know what a Marxist is, they don't hide and pretend to be something else, They're open about it. They don't pretend to be economic Conservatives you loon.:

no he's right in the sense that the corporatocracy is merely a stepping stone to the technocracy which some would equate to 'communism'

the people behind the corporations are using them to grab all of the wealth and resources and those people are building all of the technology like the smart tech and the artificial intelligence and the 5G and all the internet of things devices that will form the infrastructure of the TECHNOCRACY

They don't see capitalism as a means by which individuals can transact. They use capitalism as a way to transition everyone into a new form of society where the workers are the helpess slaves of the technocratic, oligarchic class
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Will the real Jeremy Corbyn please Stand Up! 09 Feb 2019 10:57 #19

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May isn't a secret Marxist, in the West we're living in a Capitalist society as we have since as far as anyone can remember.

Before that it was called feudalism, there aren't any Marxists around in that respect, George Soros isn't a Marxist, he's a Capitalist hoarder, we're in a paradigm of profiteering, the people behind corporations and big business aren't Marxists, they're Capitalists.

Rocco doesn't know what a Marxist is, he thinks Theresa May is a Marxist.

There's nothing wrong with a bit of Capitalism but all these billionaires hoarding the rewards of others people's labour has to go, that's the paradigm that we live in, Rocco shills for it.
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Will the real Jeremy Corbyn please Stand Up! 09 Feb 2019 11:26 #20

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May isn't a secret Marxist, in the West we're living in a Capitalist society as we have since as far as anyone can remember.

Before that it was called feudalism, there aren't any Marxists around in that respect, George Soros isn't a Marxist, he's a Capitalist hoarder, we're in a paradigm of profiteering, the people behind corporations and big business aren't Marxists, they're Capitalists.

Rocco doesn't know what a Marxist is, he thinks Theresa May is a Marxist.

There's nothing wrong with a bit of Capitalism but all these billionaires hoarding the rewards of others people's labour has to go, that's the paradigm that we live in, Rocco shills for it.

you just don't get it do you?

capitalism is at its core simply the belief that you as an individual have the right to trade with other individuals

the elites don't want that

they want to control EVERY transaction

marxism is to pursuade you to relinquish your right to transact with other human beings so that the elites can justify imposing their all controlling technocratic system

the elites are not capitalists. If they were capitalists then they would not have bailed out the banks. They are MONOPOLISTS. They monopolise capitalism by creating 'too big to fails' and by taking over control of the money supply and by capturing government so that they can create tax and beaurocratic environments that are favourable to their corporations

They build those corporate empires because they do not want to share power

The technocracy which is being built by the corporations and politically championed by the new left is simply the end game of their monopolistic impulses

if they talk about taxation then we have to ask how they intend to tax the billionaires when the billionaires keep their money offshore. You cannot have a discussion about taxation without speaking about how you intend to end the tax havens

otherwise the people that the tax burden will on is the middle class who the oligarchs see as a threat
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