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Will the real Jeremy Corbyn please Stand Up! 10 Feb 2019 17:25 #41

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The core principle of Marxism is to stop the shareholders getting free money off of the labour of the workforce at about 80%, it's legalised theft permitted by the present system.

no the core of marxism is to hand over everything to an authority
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Rocco and iamwaveofthesea are shilling for that Capitalist system to continue, it;s why they blame degeneracy onto Marxism, drug taking, crime, what they see as bad social concepts such as LGBT, etc etc..
In other words the elite of the 1% require the mass to purchase they're products, they control the governments, the control Socialism, the control Capitalists, there's probably nothing anyone can do about that, but unlike Rocco et al, I shan't be cheering them along..

The socialist vision being pushed by the fake-left is for the corporations to build a technocracy which will be administered by artificial intelligence

Every aspect of your life will be dictated to you. Its collectivism and its where the elites want to take us

Its what the politicial left is cheer leading. until you realise this you cannot start to theorise about solutions that will ensure your individual freedom because you have accepted the idea that you should give away all power to an authority
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Will the real Jeremy Corbyn please Stand Up! 11 Feb 2019 12:01 #42

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^ You don't need to continue informing the Truth-zone readership that you don't know what Marxism is, the message has been received, it's loud and clear. Artificial intelligence in the work place, just as mechanisation was, is to increase production efficiency, it's a means to increase profit. Those concepts would only have been Marxian if they would have meant/would mean, that the labour force will work less for the same or even a greater wage.

As I keep saying, and you're obviously too embedded into the present paradigm to perceive is that the elite of the 1% need to increase production to maximise profits, but they also need to increase consumership, or they lose the need for their production increase, an increase in production makes more money for the shareholders. It's not a Marxist concept unless it means that the profits are distributed for the greater good of society and not hoarded by the elites.

We're living in a Capitalist paradigm not a Marxist one.

This form of Socialism promoted by Bernie Sanders et al, well it was also promoted by Stalin et al in a less democratic way, isn't Marxism, Socialism is State Capitalism. where the State controls the wealth of the nation.

The present deal is a combination of State & Private Capitalism, but for the average Joe in the work-base, gives 80% of his labour value to the system of Private Capitalism, and another portion of his remaining 20% to the tax man, and to pay for his mortgage etc etc...

...so at the end of the day, he's working for a basic life, however if he were able to have more of his labour value, say to keep 80% of it, he could pay a lower rate of tax but he would still be paying more tax than he had been because he has more money to be taxed. So he might only pay something like 3% tax, but because he's earning 60% more money of his true labour value, he'd be paying 3% of 80% of his labour value, instead of say 13% on 20% of his labour value.

The people losing out would be the shareholders, and the overall outcome would be less production and less consumership, the share values would be much less, this would slow down production, prevent hoarding, and give the general public a better standard of living, in fact with decreased production the product quality would likely increase.

What's far more likely to occur in our Capitalist paradigm is that artificial intelligence will be used to increase production, and this will mean mass unemployment. we'll be totally at the hands of the 1%, they will be our rulers, there will be no means for workers to strike or to refuse anything, the Capitalists will be in total control, it's why agenda 21 will be utilised, they will no longer need a work force at all. Marx was about supporting the work force not wiping it out.

if the proceeds of artificial intelligence are to be shared equally and not hoarded by Capitalist shareholders, then that's not such a bad thing, but the way the world has been working up until now is that the redundant serfs get enough charity to keep them alive, so we're still going to have the shareholder billionaires ruling the roost, and the rest of us just have to wait and see what they decide is best for us, they've already got themselves entrenched onto a very favourable socioeconomic position before artificial intelligence and mechanisation is going to replace the rest of us, so unless the profits of production are distributed fairly as Marx would have wanted, then there's going to be a real class war and lots of blood spilled.

The outcome is probably going to be a lot less people living in the world, and the few that remain will be supported by the artificial mechanised slaves.A.! is going to happen, it just depends if it's implemented in a Marxian or Capitalist way! The way I see it is that business is Capitalist, it rarely operates for the good of the work force, profit usually comes first, so there we have it.

Marxism is about empowering the majority not the minority, it's got nothing to do with giving one's power away, it's to do with recovering one's power from the 1% who have taken it.
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Will the real Jeremy Corbyn please Stand Up! 11 Feb 2019 14:52 #43

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......mrxism this.....marxism that......
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......more marxist dribble.....
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Will the real Jeremy Corbyn please Stand Up! 11 Feb 2019 17:33 #45

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^ You don't need to continue informing the Truth-zone readership that you don't know what Marxism is, the message has been received, it's loud and clear. Artificial intelligence in the work place, just as mechanisation was, is to increase production efficiency, it's a means to increase profit.

no artificial intelligence and automation is not to boost production

it is to replace you because they want you erased from existence

when they have erased you from existence there is no need for high production levels because there is no more market for the goods

if marx was around today he would be playing a george soros type role for the cabal in helping to socially engineer society towards the technocratic gulag
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Will the real Jeremy Corbyn please Stand Up! 12 Feb 2019 08:56 #46

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You and Rocco both are shilling for the Capitalist fat cats, the idea of automation is so that the Capitalists don't have to actually pay a work force, it boosts production and saves on labour costs, it's a matter of profit. Now if that does mean that people are gotten rid of then that's not good, but it's being done in the paradigm of Capitalism not Marxism.

What you're both doing is blaming Karl Marx for the Capitalist scheme. :larf:

The elites hate Marx, he wanted to disempower them, so they spin as much shit in his direction as they can, and you're helping them out with it.
Automation would be a Marxist concept if the labour of the automation was delivered equally and not just to the shareholders and fat cats, it won't be though, it will be kept by the Capitalist elites and that's why the rest of us won't have a place.

Agenda 21 is the end game of Capitalism not Marxism, we're not living in Marxism, we live in a high profit worker exploitation Capitalist environment, people are labouring in Bangladeshi sweat houses 18hrs per day, 7 days per week not because of Marxism, they're doing it because of Capitalism. if mechanisation becomes a cheaper prospect then they'll be replaced with mechanisation of AI, but they won't see any benefit from that change themselves they'll just get agenda 21'd.

You're simply switching the blame from Capitalism onto Marxism but we're not living in Marxism, he's got nothing to do with it.
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Will the real Jeremy Corbyn please Stand Up! 12 Feb 2019 09:09 #47

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Rocco wrote:
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......more marxist dribble.....
More shilling for the banksters...
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Will the real Jeremy Corbyn please Stand Up! 12 Feb 2019 09:56 #48

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if marx was around today he would be playing a george soros type role for the cabal in helping to socially engineer society towards the technocratic gulag

No he wouldn't, you appear to be entirely clueless about Marx, people like Soros who hoard wealth are the exact type of people that Marx opposed in his socioeconomic theories/writing etc ...

...what you're doing is using the same misplacement of thought as Rocco is, Soros is a Capitalist, the 'cabal' (we're getting a bit Icke now lol) are capitalists, they hoard cash, they keep it from the working class public, that's the polar opposite to Marxian thought.

As I say, you're blaming the acts of Capitalist fat cat multimillionaires/billionaires onto Marxism, but Marxism is about taking their millions and billions back to the work force who's labour produced that money/value in the first place, in other words if Marx was around today and had the power to do so he would have it so that there aren't any millionaires/billionaires around, Soros would just be a person like everyone else with no great financial clout behind him.

You don't seem to be able to comprehend that we're not living in a Marxian ideology, we're living in a profiteering one which is friendly to the super rich. There's nothing i've ever seen that Marx has written in support of that, he was writing against that, yet you're trying to pin that on him.

I'm not sure if you're simply clueless and you don't know what you;re talking about, or you've just decided to make excuses for the wrongs of these super rich people, using their wealth to be manipulative, and somehow blame that onto Marx, and you expect the TZ readers to believe that Marx was on the side of the super wealthy and wanted to wipe out the hoi polloi, after spending a good part of his life trying to help them to be released from their slavery and to get back the theft of their labour. Now you think he wants them all killed and to be replaced with machines. :loco:

It's a lot more likely that he would want them to have a share of the wealth of the automation, he advocated from socioeconomic equality, not for committing genocide on the working class. The entire concept of Marxian thought is class war, it's not about killing the lower classes, it was about making the whole dynamic classless, so their would be no super rich motherfuckers the 'Cabal' or whatever you want to call it, anyway, there would be no Agenda 21, there wouldn't be any need to 'save the planet' etc etc....because production would be reduced because there would be no need for any profits. Agenda 21 is a response to Capitalism, 'unsustainable populations' are due to an unequal distribution of infrastructure and resources on a global scale,. those populations aren't needed by the Capitalist elitists, they can't use them, they don't want to keep giving them aid, even though 8 people have more wealth than the lower 65% of people in the world, they want to keep that bootie hoarded away.

If not for Capitalism there would be no need for Agenda 21 as per the reason given for it, it's just a case of hoarding a lot of money by the few, and the rest are in the way.

The 65% aren't really purchasing much, so they can be replaced by automation by the Capitalists and the remaining 35% will be the consumers,
So it's a war on the poor, first enslave them, and then their jobs can be done by robotics then just depopulate them. That's the nature of the evil Capitalist machine.
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Just look at Venezuela, one of the very few Socialist nations on the planet, most nations in the West are now attacking it, they're after the oil, the US have been after it for a long time, at least since Obama was president but perhaps even longer than that!

The Venezuelan government gave lots of free oil to poor Americans, like tons and tons of oil and for years, for free, not a dime, and all the while the Capitalist US governments have been sneakily planning to get their hands on Venezuelan oil, and you can bet your backside that nobody would get a free drop of that under any circumstance.

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Will the real Jeremy Corbyn please Stand Up! 12 Feb 2019 10:23 #50

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I agree with this Dutch guy, he's talking about high taxing the rich, not the middle class.
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Will the real Jeremy Corbyn please Stand Up! 12 Feb 2019 14:08 #51

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How bout instead of taxing the rich, we just stop taxing the poor. It has the same outcome. But you're not stealing from anyone. It's not a crime to be rich you know

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Will the real Jeremy Corbyn please Stand Up! 12 Feb 2019 14:43 #52

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Because the super rich are sitting on hoards of cash, detaxing the poor won't do much, the poor only pay a little bit of tax each anyway, that won't help them as much as it would help them to tax the super rich and redistribute that wealth more evenly.

So the poor would be less poor, the middle class would pay less tax too and have a greater labour value payment than the present, and the super rich would be worse off, but still wealthy all the same. We could all have some stuff in society at no cost, just by taxing the super rich who are sitting on hoards of cash that they took from our labour.

You'd then see less crime etc etc, and less need for police and social work services and less need to pay so much tax for such concepts.

It's like of you want to tackle drug crime you need to really get the super rich dealers at the top, not the junkies in the alleyways. The super rich have got to be as they are because the system permits usury, they use our labour to make them money for simply relaxing. many of them inherited money and have simply bought shares, so as we work we make their money for them, they're getting a free ride from our labour.

The way to stop them doing that is to high tax them, make it an unprofitable pursuit, and they can go do something more useful with their lives instead of bleeding their living from the working class.
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And pay all workers 80% of the value of their labour instead of 20%, thus the super rich can't continue as they are doing.

It means that the tax that the poor will pay will be greater but related to their income they'll have more money even after paying their tax on 80% of their labour value rather than they do now with paying tax on the 20% of their labour value that they receive.

The outcome of that will be that the super rich have handed over some of their usury hoarded booty, the poor will be payed 60% more for their labour, so apart from the super rich everyone else will be better off, and their will still be left over money for better public services and infrastructure.

At the moment the super rich have trillions tucked away, their just sitting on it and using it to buy more shareholdings and make more and more from our labour.
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Will the real Jeremy Corbyn please Stand Up! 12 Feb 2019 15:07 #54

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I work allover the world but I avoid most contracts in Europe, because in Europe they take 70% out of my paycheck. And it's not the rich oil company shareholders stealing my money. It's Government Taxes
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Will the real Jeremy Corbyn please Stand Up! 12 Feb 2019 15:08 #55

Big Business & Bolsheviks
Posted on 07/30/2017

(Excerpted from Chapter 17: Caspian Sea Oil Grab: Big Oil & Their Bankers…)

While the Four Horsemen veered south to non-OPEC oilfields in Venezuela, Mexico and Colombia; a bigger prize awaited north of the increasing unstable Persian Gulf, in the Caspian Sea region of Central Asia, until 1989 part of the Soviet Union. The region contains over 200 billion barrels of crude and an estimated 6.6 trillion cubic feet of natural gas. [713]

In 1822 Russia’s Czar Alexander banned Freemasonry from his country. When Czar Nicholas took the throne he renewed the ban, but the secret society went underground and survived. Karl Marx was a member of the League of the Just which later became the Communist League. The group was an off-shoot of the Society of Seasons, which had close ties to the Grand Orient Freemason Lodge of Paris. Frederick Engel was a wealthy German industrialist. [714] Marx and Engel were driven by the philosophies of Freidrich Hegel, whose now infamous Hegelian dialectic put forth a process whereby opposites thesis and antithesis are reconciled into synthesis.

Though Hegel’s philosophy was adopted by Marx, it was equally attractive to Adolf Hitler and the Rothschild Business Roundtable that sponsored him. The Roundtable saw in the dialectic a boon to their monopolies by presenting phony communism (antithesis) as bogeyman to capitalism (thesis). The ensuing conflict- the Cold War- produced a huge market for arms and oil which their trusts manufactured.

Genuine revolutionary struggle in the Third World could be labeled as a “Soviet communist conspiracy” and more arms could then be sent to depopulate the undesirable poor, dispensing of agitators who threatened Roundtable interests. The pure application of communism, which indigenous peoples practiced for thousands of years prior to the arrival of Annunaki invaders in Sumeria, was the real threat to the “special bloodline” international bankers. By upholding Soviet state capitalism to all the world as an example of “failed Communism”, the bankers could discredit this dangerous idea while producing their desired synthesis – a New World Order ruled by the Illuminati banking families and Black Nobility monarchs, with laissez-faire monopoly capitalism as their economic paradigm.

The Russian Hohenzollern family monarchy to which the czars belonged wasn’t playing ball. They grew suspicious of the Freemasons, who they knew to be agents of the international bankers. In 1915 the American International Corporation (AIC) was formed to finance a Russian revolution aimed at deposing the Hohenzollerns and launching the banker’s grand Hegelian experiment. AIC directors included Frank Vanderlip, who two years prior had attended the secret Jekyll Island meetings that formulated the private Federal Reserve; and George Herbert Walker, grandfather of George Bush Sr. The families of Rockefeller, Rothschild, Du Pont, Kuhn, Loeb, Schiff and Harriman were represented on AIC’s board. [715]

WWI was looming and the Allied powers needed to open a diversionary front against the Germans. Russian Bolshevik leader Leon Trotsky left New York by ship on March 27, 1917, just days before the US entered WWI. He had with him a US passport, 300 revolutionaries and a wad of cash supplied by the Wall Street banker crowd. Twelve days earlier Czar Nicholas II had stepped down amidst an uprising launched by genuine anarchist revolutionaries, inspired by the writings of the Russian philosopher Kropotkin, who preached revolution followed by immediate decentralization of power, a sharp contrast to the iron-fisted state capitalist control under which Russia was about to fall. The anarchists struck fear into the heart of Wall Street, so they dispatched Trotsky to derail their Menshevik plans.

As Trotsky and his Reds sailed east, Vladimir Lenin left Switzerland in a sealed train with 150 more “revolutionaries” and $5 million in cash. The train passed through Germany without inspection thanks to banker Max Warburg’s intervention. Meanwhile, fifteen international bankers under Red Cross cover traveled to Petrograd to provide additional financing to the Bolsheviks and to make off with Russia’s gold reserves, just as they would later make off with German gold reserves following WWII and Chinese gold reserves after the 1949 Revolution. [716] Prince Lvov, who replaced the deposed Czar Nicholas II, and his successor Alexander Kerensky both publicly denounced Trotsky and Lenin as German intelligence agents.

The war between Mensheviks and Bolsheviks lasted until 1922. Some 28 million Russians died. The unruly anarchists were eventually disposed of and the Roundtable crowd launched its “antithesis” in Moscow. Trotsky and Lenin were likely unaware they were being used by the bankers. Trotsky fled to Mexico City, where he was murdered by Stalin’s agents in 1940. Lenin died in 1924. He had by then identified the powerful forces behind his ascent as “monopoly finance capitalists”. Towards the end of his life he wrote, “The state does not function as we desired. A man is at the wheel and seems to lead it, but the car does not drive in the desired direction. It moves as another force wishes.”[717]

John D. Rockefeller, Nathan Rothschild, Max Warburg, Jacob Schiff and J. Pierpont Morgan seized the new Soviet opportunity. Their Four Horsemen always had interests in Russia. The Rothschild and Nobel families discovered oil in Baku in 1898 with their Far East Trading Company, but anarchist oilfield revolutionaries burned their newly renamed Royal Dutch/Shell installations to the ground.

By 1922 Rockefeller’s Chase National Bank launched the American-Russian Chamber of Commerce. In 1925 Chase negotiated a deal with Soviet Prombank to market Russia’s raw materials to the West, while helping the Bolsheviks import cotton and machinery. Chase and its sister insurance conglomerate Equitable Trust led the way in providing credit to the Soviets, selling Bolshevik bonds in the US by 1928 with help from Morgan Guaranty.

Rep. Louis McFadden (D-NY), chair of the House Banking Committee, remarked, “The Soviet government has been given US Treasury funds by the Federal Reserve Banks acting through Chase Bank and Guaranty Trust Company…Find out what business has been transacted for the State Bank of the Soviet Union by its correspondent bank, Chase Bank of New York.”[718]

The chaos caused by the Bolshevik Revolution had been a boon to Rockefeller oil interests by eliminating much of Standard Oil’s competition in Russia. In 1926 Standard Oil of New York (Mobil) loaned $75 million to the Bolsheviks in exchange for exclusive rights to market Soviet oil in Europe. Mobil built a refinery in Russia. In 1969 Rockefeller’s International Basic Economy Corporation (IBEC), which later gave birth to the draconian Caribbean Basin Initiative, formed a partnership with N.M. Rothschild & Sons of London. Rockefeller’s partner in IBEC was Cleveland financier and industrialist Cyrus Eaton. The Rockefellers, Rothschilds and Eatons made huge profits facilitating Soviet trade with the West. In 1976 they signed an exclusive licensing and patent deal with Licensintorg, giving them a monopoly on technology transfer to the Soviets.

President Nixon forged detente with the Soviets and Chinese following the Vietnam War in 1973. That year also brought the Arab oil embargo, the pegging of oil to the US dollar, the launch of oil futures markets and the advent of a burgeoning Eurodollar market in London. Soon after Nixon held the detente summits with his counterparts Leonid Brezhnev and Zhou En-lai, Chase Manhattan opened a branch in Moscow and started a correspondent banking relationship with the Bank of China. [719]

Nixon appointed William Casey to head the Export-Import Bank. Casey was a CFR insider and leading Knight of Malta. He later managed Ronald Reagan’s 1980 October Surprise Presidential Campaign and was appointed CIA Director. At ExIm Bank Casey financed one of the grandest industrial schemes in history, the world’s largest truck factory at the Kama River in the Soviet Union. The factory was built by Pullman Corporation and was financed 10% by the Soviets, 45% by ExIm Bank and 45% by Chase Manhattan, where David Rockefeller was now chairman.

Chase risked nothing since its money was guaranteed by the Overseas Private Investment Corporation and Foreign Credit Insurance Association. If the Russians failed to pay the loans back, US taxpayers were on the hook for 90% of the Kama money. George Schultz- CFR, Bechtel and Chevron Texaco director who was Reagan’s Secretary of State- was key to the Kama River deal. Casey provided an ExIm Bank loan for Schultz’ Bechtel to build a Permindex-affiliated International Trade Center in Moscow in a deal arranged by Occidental Petroleum scion and Tennessee Gore political dynasty sponsor Armand Hammer. Other Casey ExIm Bank loans funded oil and gas pipelines and petrochemical and fertilizer plants. [720]

The US detente with the Soviets and China had more to do with a thirst for new energy supplies by the Four Horsemen than it did with grandiose statements of “promoting world peace”. China has huge oil deposits off its Senkaka Island in the East China Sea. Just northeast of Senkaka lie the Soviet Sakhalin Islands, an area that contains massive oil and gas deposits. The Soviet regions of Siberia and the Caspian Sea were even bigger oil prizes. As Chase Manhattan Senior Vice-President Albert Wentworth put it, “The Soviet Union is the last great undeveloped market for the US.”

Columnist Paul Scott hit the nail more squarely on the head when he wrote in 1976, “It is Kissinger’s belief that by controlling food one can control people, and by controlling energy – especially oil – one can control nations and their financial systems. By placing food and oil under international control along with the world’s monetary system, Kissinger is convinced a loosely knit world government can become a reality by 1980.”

Nixon Agriculture Secretary Earl Butz once bragged that through USAID’s P.L. 480 program the US employed “food as a weapon”, doling out food to nation’s who agree to follow IMF mandates, while withholding food from those who don’t. Just as Kissinger’s IAE benefits the Four Horsemen of Oil- Exxon Mobil, Chevron Texaco, BP Amoco and Royal Dutch/Shell; P. L. 480 enriches the Four Horsemen of Grain: Cargill Continental, Louis Dreyfus, Bunge and Andre. As Chilean Minister of Agriculture Jacques Chonchol said, “Whoever controls food exports controls the world.”[721]

Dean Henderson is the author of five books:Big Oil & Their Bankers in the Persian Gulf: Four Horsemen, Eight Families & Their Global Intelligence, Narcotics & Terror Network, The Grateful Unrich: Revolution in 50 Countries, Das Kartell der Federal Reserve, Stickin’ it to the Matrix & The Federal Reserve Cartel. You can subscribe free to his weekly Left Hook column @www.hendersonlefthook.wordpress.com
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karl marx depicted in the 1911 st louis post dispatch being thanked by wall street figures including John D rockefeller and JP Morgan (both rothschild agents)

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''it may be observed that both the extreme right and the extreme left of the conventional political spectrum are absolutely collectivist. The national socialist (for example, the fascist) and the international socialist (for example the communist) both recommend totalitarian politico-economic systems based on naked, unfettered political power and individual coercion. Both systems require monopoly control of society. While monopoly control of industries was once the objective of JP Morgan and JD Rockefeller, by the late nineteenth century the inner sanctums of wall street understood that the most efficient way to gain an unchallenged monopoly was to ''go political'' and make society go to work for the monopolists under the name of the public good and the public interest. This strategy was detailed in 1906 by Frederick C Howe in his 'confessions of a monopolist.' Howe, by the way, is also a figure in the story of the Bolshevik Revolution''
-Wallstreet and the Bolshevik revolution by Anthony C sutton

This alliance can be seen manifesting today in the rothschild driven climate change agenda which calls for cortez's 'green deal' transition to the elites long planned for TECHNOCRACY
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The poster you posted about Marx on Wall st is a joke, it's a comic, it's humour. You really are clutching at straws.

Look here's a quick lesson on Marxism, at least find out what it is before you start criticising it, it's not a plan of any sort, it's simply an analysis of what's wrong with Capitalism. That's all Marxism really is, a critic of the present paradigm.

Those 'Communists; such as the tyrant Stalin, or the terrorist Lenin et al had their own plans and they simply used Marx's critical analysis of Capitalism as a means to implement their own plans, Marx never did have a plan, he simply presented the problems with the present system.

It's like someone saying right, this is the problem with drug abuse these dealers are doing xyz etc etc....that;s it, it's not the same as offering a solution. Marx gave a diagnosis on Capitalism, not a cure, no plan, no culture, he simply dissected it as a child might a dead frog in a biology class.He displayed the symptoms of Capitalism.



^ if you want to critic Marxism this is what it is^ it;s got nothing to do with degenerate behaviour, LGBT, sex changes, seedy pop videos, abortions, drug taking, or being Theresa May! Nor any of the other shit you fling at Marxism, which he never even gave an opinion on.

So if you want to be critical of Karl Marx or his works, then try and understand what it is that he did before doing so, presently you just seem to find some shitty stuff which has occurred under Capitalism and blame it on Marx.

It's like you're collecting negative issues from the present concept which isn't Marxist, and blaming them on Marx, you're just making yourselves look stupid.
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Will the real Jeremy Corbyn please Stand Up! 12 Feb 2019 16:31 #60

The 10 PLANKS stated in the Communist Manifesto and some of their American counterparts are...

1. Abolition of private property and the application of all rents of land to public purposes.
Americans do these with actions such as the 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution (1868), and various zoning, school & property taxes. Also the Bureau of Land Management (Zoning laws are the first step to government property ownership)

2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
Americans know this as misapplication of the 16th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, 1913, The Social Security Act of 1936.; Joint House Resolution 192 of 1933; and various State "income" taxes. We call it "paying your fair share".

3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.
Americans call it Federal & State estate Tax (1916); or reformed Probate Laws, and limited inheritance via arbitrary inheritance tax statutes.

4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
Americans call it government seizures, tax liens, Public "law" 99-570 (1986); Executive order 11490, sections 1205, 2002 which gives private land to the Department of Urban Development; the imprisonment of "terrorists" and those who speak out or write against the "government" (1997 Crime/Terrorist Bill); or the IRS confiscation of property without due process. Asset forfeiture laws are used by DEA, IRS, ATF etc...).

5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.
Americans call it the Federal Reserve which is a privately-owned credit/debt system allowed by the Federal Reserve act of 1913. All local banks are members of the Fed system, and are regulated by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC) another privately-owned corporation. The Federal Reserve Banks issue Fiat Paper Money and practice economically destructive fractional reserve banking.

6. Centralization of the means of communications and transportation in the hands of the State.
Americans call it the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) and Department of Transportation (DOT) mandated through the ICC act of 1887, the Commissions Act of 1934, The Interstate Commerce Commission established in 1938, The Federal Aviation Administration, Federal Communications Commission, and Executive orders 11490, 10999, as well as State mandated driver's licenses and Department of Transportation regulations.

7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state, the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
Americans call it corporate capacity, The Desert Entry Act and The Department of Agriculture… Thus read "controlled or subsidized" rather than "owned"… This is easily seen in these as well as the Department of Commerce and Labor, Department of Interior, the Environmental Protection Agency, Bureau of Land Management, Bureau of Reclamation, Bureau of Mines, National Park Service, and the IRS control of business through corporate regulations.

8. Equal liability of all to labor. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
Americans call it Minimum Wage and slave labor like dealing with our Most Favored Nation trade partner; i.e. Communist China. We see it in practice via the Social Security Administration and The Department of Labor. The National debt and inflation caused by the communal bank has caused the need for a two "income" family. Woman in the workplace since the 1920's, the 19th amendment of the U.S. Constitution, the Civil Rights Act of 1964, assorted Socialist Unions, affirmative action, the Federal Public Works Program and of course Executive order 11000.

9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries, gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country, by a more equitable distribution of population over the country.
Americans call it the Planning Reorganization act of 1949 , zoning (Title 17 1910-1990) and Super Corporate Farms, as well as Executive orders 11647, 11731 (ten regions) and Public "law" 89-136. These provide for forced relocations and forced sterilization programs, like in China.

10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production.
Americans are being taxed to support what we call 'public' schools, but are actually "government force-tax-funded schools " Even private schools are government regulated. The purpose is to train the young to work for the communal debt system. We also call it the Department of Education, the NEA and Outcome Based "Education" . These are used so that all children can be indoctrinated and inculcated with the government propaganda, like "majority rules", and "pay your fair share". WHERE are the words "fair share" in the Constitution, Bill of Rights or the Internal Revenue Code (Title 26)?? NO WHERE is "fair share" even suggested !! The philosophical concept of "fair share" comes from the Communist maxim, "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need! This concept is pure socialism. ... America was made the greatest society by its private initiative WORK ETHIC ... Teaching ourselves and others how to "fish" to be self sufficient and produce plenty of EXTRA commodities to if so desired could be shared with others who might be "needy"... Americans have always voluntarily been the MOST generous and charitable society on the planet.
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