Your donations are appreciated and help keep this site running. Even the smallest amount helps.
Thankyou

 
PROMOTE YOUR SITE
HERE
Only $3 USD/month
TRUTHSPOON.COM
The man they can't recruit!
Welcome, Guest
Username: Password: Remember me
Threads and posts subject to the discretion of the moderators in this category.

Moderators: novum

TOPIC: Will the real Jeremy Corbyn please Stand Up!

Will the real Jeremy Corbyn please Stand Up! 12 Feb 2019 18:46 #81

  • Frothy
  • Frothy's Avatar
  • Offline
  • Platinum Member
  • True life is elsewhere
  • Posts: 15592
  • Likes received: 1663
Rocco wrote:
Frothy wrote:
Rocco wrote:
Frothy wrote:
Rocco wrote:
Frothy wrote:
Rocco wrote:
Can you cite those goals in his work, or have you/some other Right Wing Capitalist memer just made them up to further shill for bankster protection, the stock market, and usury?
Yeah, it's literally in the Communist Manifesto dumbass

So no, you can't cite any of it, cheers. :thumbup:
All you have to do is scroll up a few posts you lazy welfare scrounging food stamp collector

You've cited nothing apart from a shitty Capitalist meme, and the name of a book, from which you've cited zero passages to back up the comments that you have in said shitty Capitalist meme.

You're a scabby little lying cunt and a shill for the banksters.
You need to update your Megaphone Desktop Tool

is that meant to fill the void where your citation is lacking?


:sokay:
Once a hyena always a hyena.
Only registered members can reply. Create an Account to join the discussion.

Will the real Jeremy Corbyn please Stand Up! 12 Feb 2019 19:00 #82

  • porridge
  • porridge's Avatar
  • Offline
  • Silver Member
  • Posts: 3148
  • Likes received: 714
Neo Liberalism & Libertarianism are not the same Vancity you need to read up on the differences.

Neo liberalism is crony capitalist heaven.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Way
“Hitlerism enables us to convert all Jews to Zionism” - Nahum Sokolow World Zionist president 1933.
Only registered members can reply. Create an Account to join the discussion.
User(s) who Liked this post: iamawaveofthesea

Will the real Jeremy Corbyn please Stand Up! 12 Feb 2019 19:04 #83

  • Vancity Eagle
  • Vancity Eagle's Avatar
  • Offline
  • Junior Member
  • Posts: 673
  • Likes received: 98
iamawaveofthesea wrote:
David Rockefellers fabian socialist thesis at the london school of economics:

THEORY: David's Thesis
Monday, Aug. 26, 1940
A sober, freethinking, world-minded citizen is hulking, 24-year-old David Rockefeller, fifth son of John D. Jr. He graduated from Harvard in 1936, went to England to attend the famed, leftish, Rockefeller-supported London School of Economics. Back in New York City he got a job at City Hall as one of Mayor La-Guardia's "interns" in city management, between times took courses at the University of Chicago, worked on a Ph.D. thesis. This week, the university released David's thesis to the public.
0

David Rockefeller funded the Chicago University and its Chicago School of Economics which is responsible for producing virtually every Libertarian propagandist out there.

The Chicago School of Economics is the basis for Libertarian ideology in America.

Scholars at the Chicago school of Economics are

Milton Friedman - advisor to Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Regan, responsible for neoliberalism (Libertarianism/Austrian School), Member of Mont Pellerin society. Friedman also advised Fascist Pinochet.

Friedrik Hayek - one of the top Libertarian thinkers - member of the Mont Pellerin Society. His work inspired Ron Paul's economic ideology. Actually Hayek taught David Rockefeller at the London School of Economics, so this idea that somehow Rockeffer was getting socialist indoctrination there is utter garbage.

Thomas Sowell - famous black Libertarian propagandist was taught at Chicago school

- David Rockefeller also brought Ludwig Von Mises to America under a grant from the Rockefeller Foundation. Von Mises bacame another top Libertarian thinker and was also a member of the Mont Pellerin Society.

- David Rockefeller famously said he is a follower of Austrian School of Economics (Libertariansim) Of course he is, he basically funded the entire Libertarian education network.

- David Rockefeller is a staunch capitalist, he is behind Libertarianism and "free market" ideology in the USA. The most important figure behind it. The idea he is anything else is again pure idiocy.
Only registered members can reply. Create an Account to join the discussion.

Will the real Jeremy Corbyn please Stand Up! 12 Feb 2019 19:37 #84

  • Vancity Eagle
  • Vancity Eagle's Avatar
  • Offline
  • Junior Member
  • Posts: 673
  • Likes received: 98
porridge wrote:
Neo Liberalism & Libertarianism are not the same Vancity you need to read up on the differences.

Neo liberalism is crony capitalist heaven.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Way

they are vitrually the same thing

Neoliberalism or neo-liberalism[1] is the 20th-century resurgence of 19th-century ideas associated with laissez-faire economic liberalism and free market capitalism.[2]:7[3] Those ideas include economic liberalization policies such as privatization, austerity, deregulation, free trade[4] and reductions in government spending in order to increase the role of the private sector in the economy and society.[12] These market-based ideas and the policies they inspired constitute a paradigm shift away from the post-war Keynesian consensus which lasted from 1945 to 1980.[13][14]

notice it says that it was implemented in 1980, which is what I keep telling people that this stuff started with Milton Friedman advising both Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher at that time.

Neoliberalism was pushed by economists who studied and taught Austrian School of Economics mainly from the Rockefeller funded Chicago School of Economics.

As I have told you before "Libertarianism" means different things to different people, however in the context of how it is used by AMERICANS in an economic ideology

from wikipedia

In the United States, modern right-libertarian ideologies, such as minarchism and anarcho-capitalism, began using the term in the mid-20th century to instead advocate laissez-faire capitalism and strong private property rights such as in land, infrastructure and natural resources.[10][11][12]


"laissez-faire capitalism" is what neoliberalism is if you look at what I posted above, and it is a term you will hear Ron Paul use all the time.

more from wikipedia

Left-libertarians (social and individualist anarchists, libertarian Marxists and left-wing market anarchists) argue in favor of socialist theories such as communism, syndicalism and mutualism (anarchist economics). Daniel Guérin writes that "anarchism is really a synonym for socialism. The anarchist is primarily a socialist whose aim is to abolish the exploitation of man by man. Anarchism is only one of the streams of socialist thought, that stream whose main components are concern for liberty and haste to abolish the State".[68]

Right-libertarians are economic liberals of either the Austrian School or Chicago school and support laissez-faire capitalism.[69]


Again we see "laissez faire capitalism" and the Austrian and the Rockefeller funded Chicago Schools come up again.


NEOLIBERALISM IS FREE MARKET CAPITALISM IS LAISSEZ-FAIRE CAPITALISM IS RIGHT WING LIBERTARIANISM

They are all interchangable and all the same things.
Only registered members can reply. Create an Account to join the discussion.

Will the real Jeremy Corbyn please Stand Up! 12 Feb 2019 20:51 #85

  • porridge
  • porridge's Avatar
  • Offline
  • Silver Member
  • Posts: 3148
  • Likes received: 714
Neo-liberalism is not anti government.

Why all the leaders for years have been cronys...is just corporatism.

Obama heathcare is neoliberalism for example.

Neo liberalism is military industrial complex..spreading freedumbs. Globalism!

They might say they are free market but it is synonymous with the corporacy, so is really just fascism/socialism.

Why they are not the same.
“Hitlerism enables us to convert all Jews to Zionism” - Nahum Sokolow World Zionist president 1933.
Only registered members can reply. Create an Account to join the discussion.

Will the real Jeremy Corbyn please Stand Up! 12 Feb 2019 21:14 #86

  • Vancity Eagle
  • Vancity Eagle's Avatar
  • Offline
  • Junior Member
  • Posts: 673
  • Likes received: 98
porridge wrote:
Neo-liberalism is not anti government.

Liberalism literally means FREEDOM. Neoliberalism is freedom from the government. Their aim is to move towards LESS government. They are moving further and further away from government intervention. That is what started in 1980, and Trump is moving the ball even further.
Why all the leaders for years have been cronys...is just corporatism.

The have been pushing deregulation, austerity, and less taxes. These are all moves to get rid of government influence.
Obama heathcare is neoliberalism for example.

Obama care isn't really neoliberalism, it is using government money to enrich the insurance industry.
Neo liberalism is military industrial complex..spreading freedumbs. Globalism!

MIC is fascism or corporatism its got nothing to do with neoliberalism.
They might say they are free market but it is synonymous with the corporacy, so is really just fascism/socialism.

Why they are not the same.

seems like you haven't read anything I have posted above.

"free markets" only means a market free of government ownership and intrusion. Since the 1980's the governments have been taken out of the economy in a very large way, they aren't completely gone, but a large portion of it is.

You have to look at things as a scale.

If 100% "free markets" meaning absolutely no government interference equals a 10, and 100% government control of markets is a 1. Before 1980 we were somewhere around a 6, and today we would be close to an 8.

What we have done since 1980 and have been doing ever since is moving closer and closer to the "free market" end of the spectrum. The vast majority of the economy and markets operatate without government ownership or influence.

That is what Neoliberalism or "free markets" is. Getting the government away from the economy.

We've had nothing but deregulation, privitization, austerity, tax cuts since 1980 and these are all characteristics of neoliberalism AKA "free markets" AKA "laissez-faire capitalism" AKA "Austrian School of economics"

Its the same thing, I've provided you the evidence in my post above which you just ignore. You are arguing semantics.
Last Edit: 12 Feb 2019 21:14 by Vancity Eagle.
Only registered members can reply. Create an Account to join the discussion.

Will the real Jeremy Corbyn please Stand Up! 12 Feb 2019 23:45 #87

  • Rocco
  • Rocco's Avatar
  • Offline
  • User is blocked
  • Devil's Advocate
  • Posts: 7365
  • Likes received: 944
Free Market Capitalism :thumbup:

You can't fix stupid
Only registered members can reply. Create an Account to join the discussion.

Will the real Jeremy Corbyn please Stand Up! 13 Feb 2019 01:12 #88

  • Rocco
  • Rocco's Avatar
  • Offline
  • User is blocked
  • Devil's Advocate
  • Posts: 7365
  • Likes received: 944
Frothy wrote:
Rocco wrote:
Can you cite those goals in his work, or have you/some other Right Wing Capitalist memer just made them up to further shill for bankster protection, the stock market, and usury?

Karl Marx on Family,
The education of all children, from the moment that they can get along without a mother's care, shall be in state institutions.
There is no greater stupidity than for people...to marry and so surrender themselves to the small miseries of domestic and private life.
The bourgeois family will disappear, in the course of history as its supplement private property]disappears, and both will vanish with the destruction of capital.

Read more: www.americanthinker.com/articles/2010/04/the_abolition_of_the_family.html#ixzz5fMwMxQbs
Follow us: @AmericanThinker on Twitter | AmericanThinker on Facebook

Karl Marx on Private Property
Private property has made us so stupid and partial that an object is only ours when we have it, when it exists for us as capital ... Thus all the physical and intellectual senses have been replaced by ... the sense of having.
Accumulation of wealth at one pole is at the same time accumulation of misery, agony of toil, slavery, ignorance, brutality, mental degradation, at the opposite pole
The theory of Communism may be summed up in one sentence: Abolish all private property.
A heavy or progressive or graduated income tax is necessary for the proper development of Communism.

Karl Marx on Religion
We know that violent measures against religion are nonsense; but this is an opinion: as socialism grows, religion will disappear. Its disappearance must be done by social development, in which education must play a part.
The imaginary flowers of religion adorn man's chains. Man must throw off the flowers, and also the chains.
Religion is the opiate of the people.
My object in life is to dethrone God and destroy capitalism.
Communism begins where atheism begins.
The first requisite for the happiness of the people is the abolition of religion.
Religion is the impotence of the human mind to deal with occurrences it cannot understand.
The democratic concept of man is false, because it is Christian. The democratic concept holds that . . . each man is a sovereign being. This is the illusion, dream, and postulate of Christianity.

Karl Marx on Nationalism
Take away a nation's heritage and they are more easily persuaded.
Socialists are internationalists. Whereas nationalists believe that the world is divided primarily into different nationalities, socialists consider social class to be the primary divide. For socialists, class struggle--not national identity--is the motor of history. And capitalism creates an international working class that must fight back against an international capitalist class.
You can't fix stupid
Only registered members can reply. Create an Account to join the discussion.

Will the real Jeremy Corbyn please Stand Up! 13 Feb 2019 05:04 #89

  • MrAnderson
  • MrAnderson's Avatar
  • Offline
  • Silver Member
  • Posts: 2532
  • Likes received: 1100
Edumacated on Das Krapital
Only registered members can reply. Create an Account to join the discussion.

Will the real Jeremy Corbyn please Stand Up! 13 Feb 2019 05:36 #90

  • Rocco
  • Rocco's Avatar
  • Offline
  • User is blocked
  • Devil's Advocate
  • Posts: 7365
  • Likes received: 944
Marxists want war
You can't fix stupid
Last Edit: 13 Feb 2019 05:39 by Rocco.
Only registered members can reply. Create an Account to join the discussion.

Will the real Jeremy Corbyn please Stand Up! 13 Feb 2019 05:39 #91

  • Rocco
  • Rocco's Avatar
  • Offline
  • User is blocked
  • Devil's Advocate
  • Posts: 7365
  • Likes received: 944
Marxists want to take your children
You can't fix stupid
Only registered members can reply. Create an Account to join the discussion.

Will the real Jeremy Corbyn please Stand Up! 13 Feb 2019 05:46 #92

  • Rocco
  • Rocco's Avatar
  • Offline
  • User is blocked
  • Devil's Advocate
  • Posts: 7365
  • Likes received: 944
Marxists want terrorism
You can't fix stupid
Last Edit: 13 Feb 2019 05:48 by Rocco.
Only registered members can reply. Create an Account to join the discussion.

Will the real Jeremy Corbyn please Stand Up! 13 Feb 2019 06:12 #93

  • Rocco
  • Rocco's Avatar
  • Offline
  • User is blocked
  • Devil's Advocate
  • Posts: 7365
  • Likes received: 944
Marxists want your stuff
You can't fix stupid
Only registered members can reply. Create an Account to join the discussion.

Will the real Jeremy Corbyn please Stand Up! 13 Feb 2019 14:32 #94

  • Frothy
  • Frothy's Avatar
  • Offline
  • Platinum Member
  • True life is elsewhere
  • Posts: 15592
  • Likes received: 1663
Rocco wrote:
Frothy wrote:
Rocco wrote:
Can you cite those goals in his work, or have you/some other Right Wing Capitalist memer just made them up to further shill for bankster protection, the stock market, and usury?

Karl Marx on Family,
The education of all children, from the moment that they can get along without a mother's care, shall be in state institutions.
There is no greater stupidity than for people...to marry and so surrender themselves to the small miseries of domestic and private life.
The bourgeois family will disappear, in the course of history as its supplement private property]disappears, and both will vanish with the destruction of capital.

Read more: www.americanthinker.com/articles/2010/04/the_abolition_of_the_family.html#ixzz5fMwMxQbs
Follow us: @AmericanThinker on Twitter | AmericanThinker on Facebook

Karl Marx on Private Property
Private property has made us so stupid and partial that an object is only ours when we have it, when it exists for us as capital ... Thus all the physical and intellectual senses have been replaced by ... the sense of having.
Accumulation of wealth at one pole is at the same time accumulation of misery, agony of toil, slavery, ignorance, brutality, mental degradation, at the opposite pole
The theory of Communism may be summed up in one sentence: Abolish all private property.
A heavy or progressive or graduated income tax is necessary for the proper development of Communism.

Karl Marx on Religion
We know that violent measures against religion are nonsense; but this is an opinion: as socialism grows, religion will disappear. Its disappearance must be done by social development, in which education must play a part.
The imaginary flowers of religion adorn man's chains. Man must throw off the flowers, and also the chains.
Religion is the opiate of the people.
My object in life is to dethrone God and destroy capitalism.
Communism begins where atheism begins.
The first requisite for the happiness of the people is the abolition of religion.
Religion is the impotence of the human mind to deal with occurrences it cannot understand.
The democratic concept of man is false, because it is Christian. The democratic concept holds that . . . each man is a sovereign being. This is the illusion, dream, and postulate of Christianity.

Karl Marx on Nationalism
Take away a nation's heritage and they are more easily persuaded.
Socialists are internationalists. Whereas nationalists believe that the world is divided primarily into different nationalities, socialists consider social class to be the primary divide. For socialists, class struggle--not national identity--is the motor of history. And capitalism creates an international working class that must fight back against an international capitalist class.

Can you reference those passages to specific parts of Marx's writings with links to his actual work documents, and explain where you see the word destruction within them?

The first bit you quoted is about children going to school, that's not destroying a family.....it;s better than sending them up chimneys no?

I'll look at the rest of it when you provided the links to his actual works, but at least you've tried, but you need to link each passage to his works rather than just aimlessly paste shit with no reference to check it's authenticity.

But even as it stands I don't see Marx destroying anything in the meme list that you provided, except the upper classes, the comments about ''bourgeois family will disappear'' was the only link you gave and not directly to Marx's works but he;s talking about bourgeois of course he wants that to disappear, it's one of the main points of his works.

His comments are aimed at the upper classes and how they arrange marriages partly for business connections etc etc. that's not what he says about all marriage you eedjit!!
Once a hyena always a hyena.
Last Edit: 14 Feb 2019 07:40 by Frothy.
Only registered members can reply. Create an Account to join the discussion.

Will the real Jeremy Corbyn please Stand Up! 13 Feb 2019 16:06 #95

  • Rocco
  • Rocco's Avatar
  • Offline
  • User is blocked
  • Devil's Advocate
  • Posts: 7365
  • Likes received: 944
Frothy wrote:
Rocco wrote:
Frothy wrote:
Rocco wrote:
Can you cite those goals in his work, or have you/some other Right Wing Capitalist memer just made them up to further shill for bankster protection, the stock market, and usury?

Karl Marx on Family,
The education of all children, from the moment that they can get along without a mother's care, shall be in state institutions.
There is no greater stupidity than for people...to marry and so surrender themselves to the small miseries of domestic and private life.
The bourgeois family will disappear, in the course of history as its supplement private property]disappears, and both will vanish with the destruction of capital.

Read more: www.americanthinker.com/articles/2010/04/the_abolition_of_the_family.html#ixzz5fMwMxQbs
Follow us: @AmericanThinker on Twitter | AmericanThinker on Facebook

Karl Marx on Private Property
Private property has made us so stupid and partial that an object is only ours when we have it, when it exists for us as capital ... Thus all the physical and intellectual senses have been replaced by ... the sense of having.
Accumulation of wealth at one pole is at the same time accumulation of misery, agony of toil, slavery, ignorance, brutality, mental degradation, at the opposite pole
The theory of Communism may be summed up in one sentence: Abolish all private property.
A heavy or progressive or graduated income tax is necessary for the proper development of Communism.

Karl Marx on Religion
We know that violent measures against religion are nonsense; but this is an opinion: as socialism grows, religion will disappear. Its disappearance must be done by social development, in which education must play a part.
The imaginary flowers of religion adorn man's chains. Man must throw off the flowers, and also the chains.
Religion is the opiate of the people.
My object in life is to dethrone God and destroy capitalism.
Communism begins where atheism begins.
The first requisite for the happiness of the people is the abolition of religion.
Religion is the impotence of the human mind to deal with occurrences it cannot understand.
The democratic concept of man is false, because it is Christian. The democratic concept holds that . . . each man is a sovereign being. This is the illusion, dream, and postulate of Christianity.

Karl Marx on Nationalism
Take away a nation's heritage and they are more easily persuaded.
Socialists are internationalists. Whereas nationalists believe that the world is divided primarily into different nationalities, socialists consider social class to be the primary divide. For socialists, class struggle--not national identity--is the motor of history. And capitalism creates an international working class that must fight back against an international capitalist class.

Can you reference those passages to specific parts of Marx's writings with links to his actual work documents, and explain where you see the word destruction within them?

The first bit you quoted is about children going to school, that's not destroying a family.....it;s better than sending them up chimneys no?

I'll look at the rest of it when you provided the links to his actual works, but at least you've tried, but you need to like each passage to his works rather than just aimlessly paste shit with no reference to check it's authenticity.

But even as it stands I don't see Marx destroying anything in the meme list that you provided, except the upper classes, the comments about ''bourgeois family will disappear'' was the only like you gave and not directly to Marx's works but he;s talking about bourgeois of course he wants that to disappear, it's one of the main points of his works.

His comments are aimed at the upper classes and how they arrange marriages partly for business connections etc etc. that's not what he says about all marriage you eedjit!!
I'm very well aware you're perfectly fine with children being raised by the State and Wealth redistribution and all that. I'm not into wasting time trying to convert an already lost and subverted individual. I'm just showing the rest of the internet how delusional you are
You can't fix stupid
Only registered members can reply. Create an Account to join the discussion.

Will the real Jeremy Corbyn please Stand Up! 13 Feb 2019 16:08 #96

  • Rocco
  • Rocco's Avatar
  • Offline
  • User is blocked
  • Devil's Advocate
  • Posts: 7365
  • Likes received: 944
On the Character of Karl Marx - VPX
You can't fix stupid
Last Edit: 13 Feb 2019 16:08 by Rocco.
Only registered members can reply. Create an Account to join the discussion.

Will the real Jeremy Corbyn please Stand Up! 13 Feb 2019 22:51 #97

  • Ugh
  • Ugh's Avatar
  • Offline
  • Silver Member
  • Name is Mick, Age 71, right winger, Christian, English
  • Posts: 2955
  • Likes received: 344
As a matter of interest has any system in any country based on Communist/ Marxist/ Leninist/ Socialism ever actually worked?
Last Edit: 13 Feb 2019 22:51 by Ugh.
Only registered members can reply. Create an Account to join the discussion.
User(s) who Liked this post: Rocco

Will the real Jeremy Corbyn please Stand Up! 14 Feb 2019 07:30 #98

  • Frothy
  • Frothy's Avatar
  • Offline
  • Platinum Member
  • True life is elsewhere
  • Posts: 15592
  • Likes received: 1663
Ugh wrote:
As a matter of interest has any system in any country based on Communist/ Marxist/ Leninist/ Socialism ever actually worked?

Some folk would argue that Stalin's version worked but I don't agree, I think the Socialism in Venezuela was working until the yanks started meddling their Capitalism oil grab tactics on it.
Once a hyena always a hyena.
Only registered members can reply. Create an Account to join the discussion.

Will the real Jeremy Corbyn please Stand Up! 14 Feb 2019 07:36 #99

  • Frothy
  • Frothy's Avatar
  • Offline
  • Platinum Member
  • True life is elsewhere
  • Posts: 15592
  • Likes received: 1663
Rocco
I'm very well aware you're perfectly fine with children being raised by the State

The passage you provided was about' state education' not 'raising children by the state' back in Marx's day children were made to go to work, the point is they should be going to state schools for education, according to Marx, that's not what you're interpreting as being 'raised by the state'

Why are you lying about/trying to misrepresent the passages?
Once a hyena always a hyena.
Only registered members can reply. Create an Account to join the discussion.

Will the real Jeremy Corbyn please Stand Up! 14 Feb 2019 07:44 #100

  • Frothy
  • Frothy's Avatar
  • Offline
  • Platinum Member
  • True life is elsewhere
  • Posts: 15592
  • Likes received: 1663
it doesn't matter what Marx's character was like, what he said about the working class and the upper class is corrects and he had some good points about the socioeconomic situation. The upper classes don't like that, they like it the way it is now, juts like you do Rocco, so attacking Marx at every turn is a defence of the present system and a pat on the back for the elitists.
Once a hyena always a hyena.
Only registered members can reply. Create an Account to join the discussion.
Moderators: novum
Powered by Kunena Forum

Annual Server Target

Whether its 50 cents or five dollars, your donations are appreciated and help keep this community site running so we can all continue to enjoy using it. Secure transactions via paypal.
This target is to meet our server cost for one year, June 2019 - May 2020, in USD.
$ 340 - Target
( £ 270 GBP )
donation thermometer
donation thermometer
$ 100 - Raised
( £ 80 GBP )
donation thermometer
29%
Updated
31st May 2019

No one is obliged to donate, please only donate what you can afford. Even the smallest amount helps. Being an active member is a positive contribution. Thank You.