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Novum Zone? 23 Dec 2016 05:46 #61

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How many times does all of this need repeating frothy?

How many times do other posters need to bring this to your attention before you do something about it, other than dismiss it as ''mountains out of molehills'' or creating this sanctuary which by proxy shows that deep down you know we're right about Greasy Thumb.

As you can see by many responses, it's not just me is it? We're having to post in this section because that twat with his NS censorship agenda is trashing the forum.

How many times will a man turn his head and pretend that he just does not see?

The answer is blowing in the wind,
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Novum Zone? 23 Dec 2016 05:57 #62

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So what you want to do is keep repeating yourself until you get what you want, which is zorro removed?

Since the zorro being removed part isnt going to happen, then it just becomes you repeating yourself.

Who are all of these other posters wanting zorro gone, its yourself and zax mostly.

You are free on this forum to post pretty much whatever you like, you have choices re where to post also in terms of who can moderate what you post, it doesnt get much better than that in most places.

Dont like zorro to the point of you dont want to post where he can mod, then dont post where he can mod, simple really.
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Novum Zone? 23 Dec 2016 06:14 #63

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^Other posters are unhappy with the way that Greasy ''moderates'' as you can tell by reading this thread, and some other threads in the FAQ section, and the ''Zorro a moderator that abuses his entrusted position'' thread.

I don't know who wants him removed or not, I have not asked anyone else, I'm mainly giving my own opinion of how I am treated by him, and then he ''found another reason to vent posts'' regarding venting Cinta's posts because he disagreed with the source that she used. :facepalm:

I don't want him ''removed'' he can do exactly what he is doing but do it in his own forum section, in such case people can just avoid his forum section if they don't want his ''moderation'' style inflicted upon them.

Many potential new members won't want to be moderated by a ''National Socialist''.

So yes, National Socialism is not going to happen but they repeat that over and over, well National Socialism is damaging this forum, so I shalll likewise repeat that over and over.

What we have now ''post where he can't mod'' well he ought only be modding his own forum section, and I don't want to post in there anyway, but now I can't post in the main forum because I don't want to be subjected to his corrupt ''National Socialist'' promotion agenda, we're talking about someone who has already stated that he will treat certain posters differently because what they post in his opinion are ''lies''.

But on the forum home page we are told that we can post ''your own truth'' well with Greasy here ''modding'' he will vent ''my own truth'' because he disagrees with it.

I think DG would have been with me on this one.

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Novum Zone? 23 Dec 2016 06:59 #64

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Well no matter who is made mod, there will always be someone who doesnt agree with said mod and/or their decisions, nature of the beast. (of a forum)

If admin reacted to every request to remove a mod because a member didnt want them modding, there wouldnt be a working forum at the end of it.

And if it goes free for all you'd still have people that arent happy about people being able to post and say absolutely anything.

I think we do ok here as things are right now. People can talk about stuff with minimal intervention, and as ive said repeatedly, people have choices even within TZ over who they can handle having mod power over their contributions.

Im not going to change zorro being a mod, so thats that, make of it what you will, and post as you will (or dont will)
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Novum Zone? 23 Dec 2016 08:15 #65

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After the okay, here's the deal thread....this thread is pretty much done,at least for me.

I would like to leave this excerpt of a post here as food for thought--
It is all so clear enough in the relevant thread. :sadno: Of course this isn't really just about Seaic, it has to do with the behaviour in this forum of certain members and if lessons were truly learned from it then that would be one thing.. but the spin is on-going and that is but a symptom of a greater problem..

truth-zone.net/forum/the-lounge/68536-excerpt-of-annabelle-is-back.html?start=100#242210

She isn't the only member to see what has taken place here the past couple of years.

BT sounds like a repeater to you because he is just more tenacious in trying to point out the issue,and unlike others is suggesting the Driftwood Captain's removal as mod in the main forum.But when each new fascist ploy happens it is brought to your attention.At least with the new thread in the FAQ you are saying that nothing will be done.

So thanks for that one. :thumbup:

Note: In a couple of posts,she called out the lies or poor memory of zorro,and the truth is in the Mask Of Madness[to name one thread] thread,for the record.
The present is no different from the past which is the point she made in the above listed post.So it wasn't about bringing up old feuds,but that nothing has changed except for a mod position filled.And those that do not learn from the past are doomed to repeat it.[Santayana]
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Novum Zone? 23 Dec 2016 08:37 #66

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Perhaps as a new addition I shouldn’t be commenting on all this, but conversely, maybe new members can offer a different perspective? A point I’d like to make is this. Why are the ones constantly complaining (always the same ones) about content, also the least likely to provide anything above gibberish, off topic remarks and poster attacks themselves.

Sorry folks, but from where I’m sitting, those who complain the most have the least to say and very little to debate. I think what the complainers need to ask themselves is this. When is the last time you sat down for an hour and wrote your own explanation of how society works, instead of attacking everything anyone else says? Not necessarily a thread that others will agree with, but something that’s understandable, makes sense when read and even begins to stimulate the grey matter. Think about this: Take away those posters that do and you wouldn’t have content (or a forum) to complain about.

You know, if you’ve got this fantastic explanation of what’s going on that you’ve been keeping secret; bring it on, we’d all love to hear about it. The answer is simplicity itself: If you don’t like the tread title, don’t read it. If you’re unable to debate what's said don’t reply. If you don’t like the available content, write your own? :)
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Novum Zone? 23 Dec 2016 08:56 #67

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So what you want to do is keep repeating yourself until you get what you want, which is zorro removed?

Since the zorro being removed part isnt going to happen, then it just becomes you repeating yourself.

Who are all of these other posters wanting zorro gone, its yourself and zax mostly.

You are free on this forum to post pretty much whatever you like, you have choices re where to post also in terms of who can moderate what you post, it doesnt get much better than that in most places.

Dont like zorro to the point of you dont want to post where he can mod, then dont post where he can mod, simple really.

G'day Novum.

While I think you would know where I stand on censorship, I will add that I have no issue with Zorro remaining a moderator ... especially because of his censoring antics.

Firstly, they are amusing, as are the mental gymnastics defending them.

Secondly, they are a perfect example of biased censoring, easy to point out and use as an example.

Thirdly, it is all only pixels on a screen. There is no 'Truth Zone' in reality. It is simply a meeting place in cyberland. No one can trash it or defame it, or any other such thing as it isn't real.

:thumbup:

Now, please roll a joint and post it my way. :joint:
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Novum Zone? 23 Dec 2016 09:19 #68

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Well that makes me think about setting up a premises called Truth Zone, like a pub, bar or club, a real life place. People can find it, walk in, join in the conversations, talk to one another.

I wonder how things would go, would people be more polite to one another, or would it be more like this... :larf:

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Novum Zone? 23 Dec 2016 09:19 #69

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Well no matter who is made mod, there will always be someone who doesnt agree with said mod and/or their decisions, nature of the beast. (of a forum)

If admin reacted to every request to remove a mod because a member didnt want them modding, there wouldnt be a working forum at the end of it.

And if it goes free for all you'd still have people that arent happy about people being able to post and say absolutely anything.

I think we do ok here as things are right now. People can talk about stuff with minimal intervention, and as ive said repeatedly, people have choices even within TZ over who they can handle having mod power over their contributions.

Im not going to change zorro being a mod, so thats that, make of it what you will, and post as you will (or dont will)

Yes you're correct there will always be some that disagree with a moderator, I don't know why you keep pointing this out, i know that already, it's not news to me, not even the first time that you said it nor since you have so ''repeated it.''

It's not ''minimal intervention'' when posters get on topic posts vented from the main boards because he does not like those posts.

It's as if you're just looking the other way and saying ''oh well ''shit happens - nobody's perfect''

What I'm telling you is that Greasy has posted his intent to treat certain poster differently because he deems their posts as ''lies'' and he has been carrying out that threat, I have given examples of this.

But I feel I must repeat, on the home page here it states that members can post their ''own truth'' but when we do that he deems ''our truth'' as lies and vents it.

It would be better not to have him ''moderating'' not because ''you can't please everyone'' or ''nobody is perfect'' but rather he's displayed his intent to censor peoples posts that he deems as ''lies'' because he disagrees with the posts or source used, which is now exactly what he is doing.

What's going to happen? A new poster reads the home page message ''post you own truth'' and when they do, if Greasy does not like what they have posted, he'll vent their posts as ''lies'' and treat them differently than ''decent posters'' in his opinion.

Posters told you their concerns at the beginning of his ''appointment'' even wolfy told you, and quite a few others, he's far too politically involved to be fair.

I would say the same if you installed a hard core Stalinist as a moderator, one who censored for that agenda, that would be awful too.

Of course a moderator should have their political voice the same as the rest of the posters, but when they are so politically charged that they use that as a means to discriminate against others it is unhealthy for the forum.

I don't mind if a moderator has a leaning towards the left or the right, that's of no matter to me at all, but when they are so far left or right that they can't make a fair decision, and are openly posting threats of discrimination, it's causing damage to the forum.

When are you going to stop making excuses for him?
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Novum Zone? 23 Dec 2016 09:37 #70

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Fact is, you (and many others) had gripes with myself BEFORE zorro was ever a mod. Ive heard similar to all this before, except directed at myself.

You have an acute sense of (what you perceive to be) injustice, and speak out about it.. which im not knocking BTW, youre entitled to that... but im not going to shuffle the forum around every time members have moderation gripes, been there done that, and that includes attempting to please everyone in the one and only same forum space , which cant be done and leads to failed forums.

What i am willing to do is ensure you have a place to post that is free of said mod, because its do-able in a tech sense, it doesnt involve changing the moderation team or the existing parts of the forum... its an addition offering more choice.
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Novum Zone? 23 Dec 2016 14:18 #71

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novum wrote:
Well that makes me think about setting up a premises called Truth Zone, like a pub, bar or club, a real life place. People can find it, walk in, join in the conversations, talk to one another.

I wonder how things would go, would people be more polite to one another, or would it be more like this... :larf:


G'day Novum.

Ah, no joint eh. :dunno:

Who knows eh, maybe there are one or two that may express themselves in the same manner, highly unlikely as it may be. Whether they get their arse handed to them or not is another question. I think most would simply shun them because of their behaviour. A united front and they would leave with their tales between their legs, figuratively speaking.

Either way, it would be a fun place to moderate. : D. Count me in if you do it. :thumbup:

In fact, it is a really awesome idea. You could call it The Connection Point. Have a cafe style set up with lounges. Themed nights for discussions. Car pooling and other ideas where people can benefit from helping each other. Who knows, it could start a groundswell of such places where people pro actively create their own community.

Anyway, it is an idea well worth discussing and something that I would definitely help in creating. :thumbup:
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Novum Zone? 23 Dec 2016 22:14 #72

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If i had any mate id have offered. :larf:

I just saw your other thread, going to check it out now.
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Novum Zone? 24 Dec 2016 14:33 #73

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Fact is, you (and many others) had gripes with myself BEFORE zorro was ever a mod. Ive heard similar to all this before, except directed at myself.

You have an acute sense of (what you perceive to be) injustice, and speak out about it.. which im not knocking BTW, youre entitled to that... but im not going to shuffle the forum around every time members have moderation gripes, been there done that, and that includes attempting to please everyone in the one and only same forum space , which cant be done and leads to failed forums.

What i am willing to do is ensure you have a place to post that is free of said mod, because its do-able in a tech sense, it doesnt involve changing the moderation team or the existing parts of the forum... its an addition offering more choice.

Fact is, Greasy is censoring posts in the main forum because he does not like it when posters post ''their truths'' as they are invited to on the Truth Zone home page message, unless they concur with ''his truths'' perhaps it's time to change the home page message then, to ''Greasy's truth or vent....if you don't like that post in a fringe zone not the main forum.'' Which would reflect the new Truth Zone doctrine.

Your answer is create a space where posters can avoid his censorship, rather than doing something about him censoring views that he disagrees with to start with, you are treating the symptoms but ignoring the cause.
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Novum Zone? 24 Dec 2016 16:20 #74

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novum wrote:
Fact is, you (and many others) had gripes with myself BEFORE zorro was ever a mod. Ive heard similar to all this before, except directed at myself.

You have an acute sense of (what you perceive to be) injustice, and speak out about it.. which im not knocking BTW, youre entitled to that... but im not going to shuffle the forum around every time members have moderation gripes, been there done that, and that includes attempting to please everyone in the one and only same forum space , which cant be done and leads to failed forums.

What i am willing to do is ensure you have a place to post that is free of said mod, because its do-able in a tech sense, it doesnt involve changing the moderation team or the existing parts of the forum... its an addition offering more choice.

Fact is, Greasy is censoring posts in the main forum because he does not like it when posters post ''their truths'' as they are invited to on the Truth Zone home page message, unless they concur with ''his truths'' perhaps it's time to change the home page message then, to ''Greasy's truth or vent....if you don't like that post in a fringe zone not the main forum.'' Which would reflect the new Truth Zone doctrine.

Your answer is create a space where posters can avoid his censorship, rather than doing something about him censoring views that he disagrees with to start with, you are treating the symptoms but ignoring the cause.

Translation.
"Please censor posts I don't like in the way that I want those posts to be censored."
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Novum Zone? 25 Dec 2016 08:51 #75

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novum wrote:
Fact is, you (and many others) had gripes with myself BEFORE zorro was ever a mod. Ive heard similar to all this before, except directed at myself.

You have an acute sense of (what you perceive to be) injustice, and speak out about it.. which im not knocking BTW, youre entitled to that... but im not going to shuffle the forum around every time members have moderation gripes, been there done that, and that includes attempting to please everyone in the one and only same forum space , which cant be done and leads to failed forums.

What i am willing to do is ensure you have a place to post that is free of said mod, because its do-able in a tech sense, it doesnt involve changing the moderation team or the existing parts of the forum... its an addition offering more choice.

Fact is, Greasy is censoring posts in the main forum because he does not like it when posters post ''their truths'' as they are invited to on the Truth Zone home page message, unless they concur with ''his truths'' perhaps it's time to change the home page message then, to ''Greasy's truth or vent....if you don't like that post in a fringe zone not the main forum.'' Which would reflect the new Truth Zone doctrine.

Your answer is create a space where posters can avoid his censorship, rather than doing something about him censoring views that he disagrees with to start with, you are treating the symptoms but ignoring the cause.

Translation.
"Please censor posts I don't like in the way that I want those posts to be censored."

Translation ''bend over please Greasy Thumb I want to place my tongue into your anus and lick.''
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Novum Zone? 26 Dec 2016 14:42 #76

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Well that one came from north of your own neck mate.
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well I'd close this thread and every other one that's just spews crap across the forum about moderation - doesn't take much to see why DIF took a stand on this . TZ is an open forum where peeps can speak their minds about Truth , the vent room is there for a reason too but this is gone way too far . I'd actually ban BT - he should probably go and make his own forum . That's my 2 cents anyway.
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Novum Zone? 26 Dec 2016 19:47 #78

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well I'd close this thread and every other one that's just spews crap across the forum about moderation - doesn't take much to see why DIF took a stand on this . TZ is an open forum where peeps can speak their minds about Truth , the vent room is there for a reason too but this is gone way too far . I'd actually ban BT - he should probably go and make his own forum . That's my 2 cents anyway.

Ban, ban,ban, ban, ban :larf: Thats about a cents worth, not two
Of course you can ban BT :wissl:

Carry on posting Ausrotten :cool2:
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Novum Zone? 26 Dec 2016 20:49 #79

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well I'd close this thread and every other one that's just spews crap across the forum about moderation - doesn't take much to see why DIF took a stand on this . TZ is an open forum where peeps can speak their minds about Truth , the vent room is there for a reason too but this is gone way too far . I'd actually ban BT - he should probably go and make his own forum . That's my 2 cents anyway.

The censoring moderation of Greasy Thumb has gone too far, the NS cult is trying to take over this forum, your censor happy post here makes the point all so well.

It's about time novum did something about it, it's gone on for way to long and gone way too far.
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Well that one came from north of your own neck mate.
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