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The TZ ''National Socialist'' Agenda 22 Feb 2017 01:45 #101

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You can join our club Flair. I'll just snip a bit off your penis, and you too can become a member of the illuminati.

Nah, I'll pass.

And since when do you know the jews are the 'illuminati' ? Have you actually been doing some reading on this forum? :dunno:
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The TZ ''National Socialist'' Agenda 22 Feb 2017 06:23 #102

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There is a difference between fascism as an ideology and fascism as a practice, I know some Italian people quite closely, not many people in Italy look back at Mussolini's reign as a good time, but rather never want to have to live under such a regime themselves, they have got their information directly from their native Italian Grandparents.

Unlike National Socialism, idealistic fascism may not have a spiritual core, but like National Socialism it's problems arise with it's lack of tolerance and harsh consequences, no matter how well the ideology is to have purported to have worked, in the words of it's neo-supporters, who simply deny the brutality of it implementation, the cruelty dealt out to those who don't share it's views and/or become it's targets, they simply excuse that as lies,

E.G. I could start a regime and say that we all have a lovely game of golf on Saturday afternoons, then drink tea and eat cake afterwards, sounds pretty reasonable and safe eh? But then I don't like blacks/Jews/Gypsies etc etc to play golf, so I'll either lock them in jail or shoot them, for anyone else, if you play golf on a Saturday afternoon, and thank me for the tea and cake afterwards you're fine, if you don't you'll go to jail or be shot too, but my golfers will all be having a nice time, so my dictatorship is just fine eh?

Now, just wrap that into a cult and you have National Socialism, it does not matter what you call it, or the essence of the ideology, rather the behaviour of the dictator and his cronies to all those who don't fit nor comply, anything decent about fascism, or National Socialism has been ruined by the sadistic behaviour of their egocentric lunatic dictators who merely used a social structure as a means to apply their brutality.

It;s just the same as a mob, yeah if you pay your protection money and they like you, then you appear to be happy within their governance, but as soon as you don't comply with their orders you're in for a hard time very quickly, they also want to move into other locations and take them over too.

So it;s like ''our mob'' against ''you mob'' (NS against Jews) but most German people or ''Jews'' wanted nothing to do with it, National Socialism was no better than the Jewish elite who had a Monopoly going on the board, they didn't stop the ''Jews'' per se, they just took over the banks, and then everything else by brute force or the threat of.

I rather think that if a real Jew walked up to any of our TZ ''National Socialists'' and said ''I'm a Jew, what's your problem?'' they would lower their eyes and scuttle back to their lodging rooms without as much as saying boo. In fact if the Jews were as bad as they say they are, they'd have built concentration camps and had the ''white Germanic'' (language speaking folk) put in camps for slave labour?

Do you think ''Jews'' would be able to go onto the internet and slag off the dictator under fascism or National Socialism? If found doing so, or even found to be Jewish and not doing so, they would have been imprisoned at least, but here we have National Socialists (so they say they are) free to sit in their bedsits and slag off the leaders, they are doing something which under the regime that they support would not be tolerated, they would have been hunted down and most likely shot by now for doing so.
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The TZ ''National Socialist'' Agenda 22 Feb 2017 13:21 #103

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There is a difference between fascism as an ideology and fascism as a practice, I know some Italian people quite closely, not many people in Italy look back at Mussolini's reign as a good time, but rather never want to have to live under such a regime themselves, they have got their information directly from their native Italian Grandparents.

Unlike National Socialism, idealistic fascism may not have a spiritual core, but like National Socialism it's problems arise with it's lack of tolerance and harsh consequences, no matter how well the ideology is to have purported to have worked, in the words of it's neo-supporters, who simply deny the brutality of it implementation, the cruelty dealt out to those who don't share it's views and/or become it's targets, they simply excuse that as lies,

E.G. I could start a regime and say that we all have a lovely game of golf on Saturday afternoons, then drink tea and eat cake afterwards, sounds pretty reasonable and safe eh? But then I don't like blacks/Jews/Gypsies etc etc to play golf, so I'll either lock them in jail or shoot them, for anyone else, if you play golf on a Saturday afternoon, and thank me for the tea and cake afterwards you're fine, if you don't you'll go to jail or be shot too, but my golfers will all be having a nice time, so my dictatorship is just fine eh?

Now, just wrap that into a cult and you have National Socialism, it does not matter what you call it, or the essence of the ideology, rather the behaviour of the dictator and his cronies to all those who don't fit nor comply, anything decent about fascism, or National Socialism has been ruined by the sadistic behaviour of their egocentric lunatic dictators who merely used a social structure as a means to apply their brutality.

It;s just the same as a mob, yeah if you pay your protection money and they like you, then you appear to be happy within their governance, but as soon as you don't comply with their orders you're in for a hard time very quickly, they also want to move into other locations and take them over too.

So it;s like ''our mob'' against ''you mob'' (NS against Jews) but most German people or ''Jews'' wanted nothing to do with it, National Socialism was no better than the Jewish elite who had a Monopoly going on the board, they didn't stop the ''Jews'' per se, they just took over the banks, and then everything else by brute force or the threat of.

I rather think that if a real Jew walked up to any of our TZ ''National Socialists'' and said ''I'm a Jew, what's your problem?'' they would lower their eyes and scuttle back to their lodging rooms without as much as saying boo. In fact if the Jews were as bad as they say they are, they'd have built concentration camps and had the ''white Germanic'' (language speaking folk) put in camps for slave labour?

Do you think ''Jews'' would be able to go onto the internet and slag off the dictator under fascism or National Socialism? If found doing so, or even found to be Jewish and not doing so, they would have been imprisoned at least, but here we have National Socialists (so they say they are) free to sit in their bedsits and slag off the leaders, they are doing something which under the regime that they support would not be tolerated, they would have been hunted down and most likely shot by now for doing so.

In my opinion, you've pretty much nailed the psychological aspect of fascism. They are cults, and you could argue that National Socialism is cult with a dead leader, a bit like a religion. What I think makes them particularly different cults to any other, is that most people with any morality or empathy would have long woken up out of them.

These cults draw a particular type of personality or mentality: narcissists, sociopaths, low empathy types. This soon creates a heirarchical authoritarian structure, with mostly sociopaths at the top. They are particularly invigorated with malignant narcissistic psychopaths as their leaders.

There is no real idealogy or moral compass at the centre of these cults, so they quickly spiral out of control into chaotic struggle for powers, while the most unifying organizational aspect is scapegoating and hate/resentment.

So comparing them to yobbish football hooligans, is really spot on, only their uniforms and ridiculous haircuts give them a sense of self-esteem and identity.
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The TZ ''National Socialist'' Agenda 22 Feb 2017 13:32 #104

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In my opinion, you've pretty much nailed the psychological aspect of fascism. They are cults, and you could argue that National Socialism is cult with a dead leader, a bit like a religion. What I think makes them particularly different cults to any other, is that most people with any morality or empathy would have long woken up out of them.

These cults draw a particular type of personality or mentality: narcissists, sociopaths, low empathy types. This soon creates a heirarchical authoritarian structure, with mostly sociopaths at the top. They are particularly invigorated with malignant narcissistic psychopaths as their leaders.

There is no real idealogy or moral compass at the centre of these cults, so they quickly spiral out of control into chaotic struggle for powers, while the most unifying organizational aspect is scapegoating and hate/resentment.

So comparing them to yobbish football hooligans, is really spot on, only their uniforms and ridiculous haircuts give them a sense of self-esteem and identity.

It's funny to see a leftist, anarchist, antifa liberal such as yourself talk about a 'moral compass'

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The TZ ''National Socialist'' Agenda 22 Feb 2017 17:27 #105

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^ Well Paddy, since you have now started quoting Karl Marx and you seem so ridiculously leftwing, anarchist, antifa who rejects any form of serious debate and only whines and bitches on the forum...

...means you must be a jew.

Am I right or am I right? :)

Paddy isn't a Jewish name.
That said there once was an ancient Rebbe iin New York called Sean Ferguson.
Tale goes that he arrived at Ellis Island and the Irish New Yorker immigration cop asked him his name.
Aged Rebbe was so delighted to be safely in America after the long voyage that he forgot his own name and replied in Yiddish.
Schoen Fergessen ( I've clean forgot).
Cop writes his access card name as Sean Ferguson.
So that's who he was. Officially.
:)
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The TZ ''National Socialist'' Agenda 23 Feb 2017 11:11 #106

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Here's a scenario, a type of leader is the dictator of your nation who's views and policies are like Hitler's, you would not be able to go onto the internet using your usual IP address and slag him off, unless you want to be dragged away by the Gestapo.

Thus if you support Hitler's views. then you should not be opposing Hitler's views by using the media (internet) to slag off your nations leaders.
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The TZ ''National Socialist'' Agenda 23 Feb 2017 16:17 #107

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Here's a scenario, a type of leader is the dictator of your nation who's views and policies are like Hitler's, you would not be able to go onto the internet using your usual IP address and slag him off, unless you want to be dragged away by the Gestapo.

Thus if you support Hitler's views. then you should not be opposing Hitler's views by using the media (internet) to slag off your nations leaders.

Why slag off something that's good anyway? Doesn't that make someone bad?

It's about the same as complaining about Michaelangelo for being a bad artist.

The ones slagging off Hitler back in the day were the bad guys (communists)
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The TZ ''National Socialist'' Agenda 23 Feb 2017 16:27 #108

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There was widespread opposition against the Nazis and no, not all of them were communists. It's an easy label to use, but doesn't follow reality.

That is the horror of fascism vs "democracy". In "democracy" one can have a dissenting opinion, just not voiced too loudly if it gets extreme if you cannot stand "demonisation" and request "safe spaces".

Under fascism there are no "safe spaces". It's comply or die.

So either the armchair fascists here need to swallow their disagreements and stay serving the ruler or stay true to themselves and oppose him.

Living under a dictatorship is very bad. Not that any of the armchair fascists has ever visited a dictatorship to see if it is really cool or really horrible. Just watching JewTube and drooling over bygone times is of course much more realistic. :roll:
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The TZ ''National Socialist'' Agenda 23 Feb 2017 17:08 #109

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Flare wrote:

The ones slagging off Hitler back in the day were the bad guys (communists)

really?
All of the Allied GIs were communists?
All of the people in Canada and America and Britain that disliked Hitler were communists?
That's quite a statement.
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The TZ ''National Socialist'' Agenda 23 Feb 2017 17:35 #110

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bd wrote:
Flare wrote:

The ones slagging off Hitler back in the day were the bad guys (communists)

really?
All of the Allied GIs were communists?
All of the people in Canada and America and Britain that disliked Hitler were communists?
That's quite a statement.


Aren't you a cult-marx pacifist?

"All soldiers are murderers and stupid pawns in a murderous game" or something like that?

I could be wrong. Can't remember which ideology you hold regarding soldiers.
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feeling that it has a decided majority on its side."

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The TZ ''National Socialist'' Agenda 23 Feb 2017 18:08 #111

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I hold no ill will towards soldiers.
"From each according to his ability, to each according to his need."
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The TZ ''National Socialist'' Agenda 23 Feb 2017 18:27 #112

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The TZ ''National Socialist'' Agenda 23 Feb 2017 18:56 #113

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^ Nice (((sources))) you got there.

Next thing you're going to tell us is that CNN is reliable.
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The TZ ''National Socialist'' Agenda 24 Feb 2017 03:25 #114

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Flare wrote:
Ausrotten wrote:
Here's a scenario, a type of leader is the dictator of your nation who's views and policies are like Hitler's, you would not be able to go onto the internet using your usual IP address and slag him off, unless you want to be dragged away by the Gestapo.

Thus if you support Hitler's views. then you should not be opposing Hitler's views by using the media (internet) to slag off your nations leaders.

Why slag off something that's good anyway? Doesn't that make someone bad?

It's about the same as complaining about Michaelangelo for being a bad artist.

The ones slagging off Hitler back in the day were the bad guys (communists)

The cult is strong in this one :larf:

The point is one was not permitted to slag off Hitler, so if you agree with the policy of not slagging off the leader, then you ought to refrain from slagging them off. It seems like in world ''Jew/Communist'' you like to use a privilege that would not be forthcoming under a National Socialist regime, thus I hope you are enjoying your free speech.
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The TZ ''National Socialist'' Agenda 24 Feb 2017 14:44 #115

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I hold no ill will towards soldiers.

I'm sure you would hold ill will against soldier's that committed war crimes, atrocities, rapes and other types of injustices.

Soldiers are instruments of the state, and follow a heirarchy of commands, waving their personal responsibility in acts of murder or oppression. But the reality is, they are still responsible for the deaths and oppression they cause as human beings.

I don't think there is a necessary contradiction in your acceptance of soldiers with anarchism, perhaps as people or ordinary humans, but as a structure of heirarchy and force by the state, you would have to be against that at some point.
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The TZ ''National Socialist'' Agenda 24 Feb 2017 14:59 #116

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bd wrote:
I hold no ill will towards soldiers.

I'm sure you would hold ill will against soldier's that committed war crimes, atrocities, rapes and other types of injustices.

Soldiers are instruments of the state, and follow a heirarchy of commands, waving their personal responsibility in acts of murder or oppression. But the reality is, they are still responsible for the deaths and oppression they cause as human beings.

I don't think there is a necessary contradiction in your acceptance of soldiers with anarchism, perhaps as people or ordinary humans, but as a structure of heirarchy and force by the state, you would have to be against that at some point.

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