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Ok, heres the deal... 23 Dec 2016 01:34 #1

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My thoughts right now re. the board, and moderation.

All the member on member squabbling and comments get a bit out of hand sometimes here.

I think its rather unnecessary for the most part and that people should better spend their efforts debating the topics.

Ive been saying this since the get go. Try play the ball not the man.

I dont think i need to post examples even though i could, and its not limited to any one 'side' of any political and/or ideological position either.

Now to address some specifics....

Dont like the moderation/moderator of any given board? Thats fine. Its even fine to speak your mind about it. But doing it over and over and over again becomes tiresome and rather pointless... and even a waste of ones own energy even. Use them brains for something better.

There are options here on TZ (unlike a number of other joints)... post in a section where said person isnt a mod. We have that. The search engines or recent / latest posts tabs dont know the difference, they dont care where a thread is, and the engines care about CONTENT, not if its in general or novs bit or whatever.

Dont like zorros modding? fine.. post in the bits where he isnt a mod.

And on it goes, dont like pfiz's modding, dont post in her bit.. dont like novs lack of action, thats fine too, post in one of the members forums or ask for one of your own.

Do some of you know how lame you look when considering the bigger picture (of our reality, of life itself) when you squabble with one another and create entire posts which solely concentrate on another member of little TZ?

What i want to do about some of this...

Remove repeated comments about other members, or move em to a limited number of threads so its not all over the board. Some of you have said your thing (over and over, and fkn over) .. and we now know who thinks who is a jew/hasbara/nazi/greasy thumb i could go on.

Also, i didnt make the new 'novum' forum as a haven for member on member bitching. Its more about people discussing topics of interest, the difference being is its just another choice re. who is the moderator and how it will be moderated.

So if people want to keep name calling, thread sliding, or repeating themselves, i might move or remove it. Particularly so when an entire post or topic is composed simply to concentrate on other members.

I dont moderate some of the shit flying about here as much as id like tbh.. its a time thing not a 'not wanting to' thing.

Now all of that said, i do appreciate peoples contributions here, there is NOBODY here id like to push away, id like people to know that.

I just think we can do better in regards to reducing member on member squabbles.

I used to talk about this stuff with DG and Frog (still do with Frog) ... we always wanted the boards to be as free as possible but also had this pie in the sky idea that people might take responsibility for their own actions and behaviour and that (for enlightened ones) they might actually want to spend their contribution time in better ways than member on member squabbling and name calling.

Its a big world out there, with alot going on, much of it hidden and underhanded, with some very powerful people pulling the strings. Lets try and concentrate on that rather than expending effort on poster x,y,z of TZ.
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Ok, heres the deal... 23 Dec 2016 14:39 #2

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Just for the record I have absolutely no desire in my body to be abusive to people, I don't think I've started a single fight in my life...but if certain people want me to I will, and beware there's a tipping point with me when it will get personal and then I might really go to town on you...my advice would be to not start with me...and I won't start with you.

Not that some people with a very poisonous nature will listen, as they are probably clinically depressed beyond tablets, dark characters...I'd pity them but I lack compassion.
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Ok, heres the deal... 23 Dec 2016 20:56 #3

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Ok, heres the deal... 23 Dec 2016 21:10 #4

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Since the day's of DIF i always thought of these forums as a way to spread info. But Sanctum Zone taught me that some people on forums are looking more for personal interaction via anonymous debate. Brexit & Trump prove there is an ideological battle happening online in the western world. People that just want to argue should go on social media like twitter instead of forums like this. Those saying everything is a hoax makes the entire truther movement look weak though. This is why Red Ice radio and InfoWars have changed the counter culture of this conspiracy theory genre to Alt-Right . Nobody even talks about David Icke anymore and Richie Allen is interviewing tinfoil hat people on youtube these day's. Nationalism has become the real cultural revolution that the left fought so hard to stop.
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Ok, heres the deal... 24 Dec 2016 09:02 #5

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You created ''Novum zone'' as a place for those members who don;t want to be a moderator even of their own members section (such as I) who are being discriminated against by you-know-who in the main forum boards.

It is a bit rich to expect the victims of his discretion discrimination to just think ''oh well best post in another forum section'' once they have had their on topic posts censored into vent, as the execution of the threats that have previously been made.

Members ought not have to avoid the main forum section simply because the moderator that you installed can't moderate outside of his political nostalgic delusional world view.

The point is novum which this thread is a vehicle to make excuses for, every member ought be free to post in the main forum area without being subjected to his NS censorship agenda,.

For the third time - It says on the home page here ''post your own truth'' but when we ''post our own truth'' he vents it.

Creating forum sub sections is no answer to that hypocrisy.

Here's a better deal, get the main forum back to how it used to be when posts were not censored unless they were blatant trolling and abuse, or blatantly off topic, rather than censoring other peoples ''truths'' which don't suit the ''truths'' of a ''moderator.''.

What you said about the members forums is correct, but the main forum is not a ''members forum'' it ought be fairly moderated for all, not a vehicle to facilitate someone's world view at the expense of others.

There is no reason why the NS agenda can't have it;s own forum section with said ''moderator'' and free up the main boards for us all to use fairly. the present situation is only going to attract a certain type of poster, as has been happening, thus the main forum is lop sided, and drifting further and further from an open forum regarding truth.

Installing a certain moderator to pacify a section of the forum membership was always going to cause these problems, as I say, it's a bit rich now to delete the disgruntlement of the moderate poster because they complain of their discrimination and the state of the place, that you seem to have now threatened to do.

PS I recall your melt down about this time last year when you banned about half the members, Mario never returned from that episode.
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Ok, heres the deal... 24 Dec 2016 09:33 #6

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It's obvious who the people are here who just want to troll and abuse

The forum will never grow with their presence here - nor has it. Fancy that ey?

Nor is there much of a risk of the forum being labelled a "Neo nazi" forum. If it's hosted in the US TZ should be fine.

There's plenty of other much larger forums out there that where that mantle with pride.

The NPI, Trump's election and the alt right empowerment of white Americans will see National Socialism surge in popularity as it is already has and continues to do.

If TZ was labelled a fake news site it should wear that moniker as a badge of honour

The world has moved on incredibly in 5 years and I don't see any attachment to NS as a bad thing at all - actually it's a good thing - and those who've come together on this site have learnt a bucket load from each other and for that I'll be forever grateful
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Ok, heres the deal... 24 Dec 2016 09:45 #7

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But Trump is a Zionist and a Jew lover, why would people with National Socialist thoughts use him as a focus for momentum?

LOL Flare had posted that he hoped Duke would win his election thus advise Trump. but even Duke disapproves of National Socialism, he says it was a ''disaster for European civilisation.''

The right wing Conservative groups such as momentum Trump, are not in line with National Socialism, Trump likes Jews, one can only guess what he thinks of National Socialism, but he's not exactly stating that he likes it, when he calls someone ''nasty'' when they criticise Zionist world power.

The right is gaining momentum but attaching National Socialism to it will only serve to inhibit it.
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Ok, heres the deal... 24 Dec 2016 14:44 #8

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You obviously are threatened by Trump and his re-empowerment of the white Man Frothy.

(((You))) wouldn't smear him in a way which was meant to agitate me otherwise.
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Ok, heres the deal... 24 Dec 2016 15:24 #9

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Trump has made good appointments so far and I stick by what I said before the election.
Trump will be as good, if not better as POTUS, as was Reagan.
I don't think NS has legs because no populist party anywhere is canvassing NS.
The populist new-right is the only game in Town these days.
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Ok, heres the deal... 24 Dec 2016 16:12 #10

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I don't understand why Gaia continues to spam this forum.

Is Flare to blame for not having the self control to stop feeding this troll?
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Ok, heres the deal... 24 Dec 2016 23:51 #11

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Orangeaid wrote:
The forum will never grow with their presence here - nor has it. Fancy that ey?

Exactly.

Seems that more Truthers here have left, and most new members only stay shortly, because the one with the ban-button thinks it is extremely necessary to keep every single troll on board no matter what they say or tricks they pull off. No matter the crap, the verbal abuse, the most ridiculous remarks or bullshit which is being posted... they all have full immunity.

Here we are in a world going to waste, trying to get the correct information out in the hopes others will pick it up and start spreading likewise... while having to deal with these fools in our necks. Which is ridiculous of course.

Of course, one may not agree with another, but it is just plain fucking obvious some are on here only to troll and wreck the place. They're just on here for the 'kick' of disturbing. And it is also plain fucking obvious that some people who notice that when their 'actions' won't have any consequences, that they see this as a motivation to stir some more shit up.

The way the forum is now, it won't ever grow. And I'm sure a lot more people would have been posting here by now if things would have been done about it quite some time ago, This due to the fact that a forum needs to have a relatively good/healthy atmosphere to post on and can not use a bunch of idiots running around while it's still got a very low amount of active members posting. So all that is left is constantly the same few members talking in circles with the same fools who want (and get) to spray their graffitti all over the place.
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Ok, heres the deal... 25 Dec 2016 00:56 #12

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G'day to the 'Prophets' on this thread. :thumbup:

The interesting thing is, all are saying that the forum isn't growing / won't grow, blaming whoever / whatever. :roll:

The forum grows with this post and every other post made. Every post / thread read is contributing to the growth of the forum.

Is this stating otherwise oh 'Prophets' of doom a lie of purpose?

Could such fear mongering simply be an attempt to gather followers to your personal cause to inflict some form of punishment on those you cast the blame on?

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Ok, heres the deal... 25 Dec 2016 07:01 #13

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Well alot of people left because they didnt like the 'nazis' here, truth bomb right there, so to say people leave because of reason X can also apply to reasons Y, Z, N, S, D, A and P :P

People come and go for many reasons... it is true that some cant handle a discussion forum that isnt moderated to suit themselves, but as i said above, that works in all directions.

Orangeaid claims the forum wont grow because the trolls arent removed, however we did have a number of posters here before Orangeaid who couldnt stomach his posts (and some other pfosters ) and left because of the members who post here freely now.

I didnt see eye to eye with those other posters calling for more moderation (more censorship) just as i dont see eye to eye with orangeaid, and weve discussed this openly a number of times in various places, its not exactly a secret that we disagree.

You cant please everyone all of the time. :thumbup:

But you can attempt to provide more choice regarding moderation, with different moderation in different sections of a forum :P
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Ok, heres the deal... 25 Dec 2016 07:16 #14

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Well alot of people left because they didnt like the 'nazis' here, truth bomb right there, so to say people leave because of reason X can also apply to reasons Y, Z, N, S, D, A and P :P

People come and go for many reasons... it is true that some cant handle a discussion forum that isnt moderated to suit themselves, but as i said above, that works in all directions.

Orangeaid claims the forum wont grow because the trolls arent removed, however we did have a number of posters here before Orangeaid who couldnt stomach his posts (and some other pfosters ) and left because of the members who post here freely now.

I didnt see eye to eye with those other posters calling for more moderation (more censorship) just as i dont see eye to eye with orangeaid, and weve discussed this openly a number of times in various places, its not exactly a secret that we disagree.

You cant please everyone all of the time. :thumbup:

But you can attempt to provide more choice regarding moderation, with different moderation in different sections of a forum :P

For the umpteenth time, I think we all know that you can't please everyone, nobody is saying ''you must please everyone.''

The point is people even moderators are entitled to have their political views on a forum such as this for sure, but when those views are so strong that those views become a justification to censor other peoples ''truths'' into vent, then we're not just talking about ''not pleasing everyone'' we're talking about an overtly displayed campaign to bend the forum towards a NS view point.

So it's not as if Greasy is simply providing his opinions, rather he's acting them out via ''moderation'' there's a difference between having ones own world view, and using that world view as a means to censor and discriminate against other forum users.

The new forum section is a method to facilitate his overt bias and discrimination in the main forum.

As I said already in another thread, in such case you'd be as well changing the message on the Truth Zone home page from ''post you own truth'' to '' post your own truth but it could well be censored into vent if it does not concur with Greasy's ''truth'' if you don't like that post in a fringe forum section, not the main forum,'' As that is the new forum doctrine.
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Ok, heres the deal... 25 Dec 2016 07:22 #15

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I don't understand why Gaia continues to spam this forum.

Gaia, like everyone else, is entitled to his opinion. Even when its wrong. :P

And to get specific, im not on the ground at every one of these 'terror' events when they happen, nor am i privvy to all existing facts about any given event, so who am I to claim I know the absolute truth of all of them and then base my moderation according to what I think went down.

When it comes to such events, a spectrum of opinions as to how it went down is inevitable. I suppose you could say that spectrum ranges from fully staged fake hoax all the way to what the MSM/official story/politrickians say is 100 % true.

The truth could be anywhere in between those 2 places, and sometimes right on them.

There is nothing wrong with laying it all out when these things happen, in my humble opinion. Present thoughts and claimed evidence in a thread from many different sources, and people can make their own mind up.

Implying that a forum can be smeared because person A, B or C posts item X and therefore smears it by association is also subjective... you would think that grown adults who are also so called truth/info seekers realise that a platform that is truly free and open to submissions will then contain submissions from a wide variety of users, who have a wide variety of opinions.

"Articles and messages posted on this website and forum are solely the opinion of their authors."

So if I say Papa Smurf conspired with Gargamel to carry out event X and used smurfette as a patsy, thats just my opinion, not the forums opinion, not anyone elses opinion either, unless they then implicitly state that they agree with me or post the same thing.
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Ok, heres the deal... 25 Dec 2016 07:23 #16

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I really don't see the problem ......I see the relevance in reminding peeps to be less caustic but other than that TZ is still a great place to tell one's truth ........the complaints about moderation seem silly to me , nothing gets deleted .

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Ok, heres the deal... 25 Dec 2016 07:53 #17

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Lizzy wrote:
I really don't see the problem ......I see the relevance in reminding peeps to be less caustic but other than that TZ is still a great place to tell one's truth ........the complaints about moderation seem silly to me , nothing gets deleted .

Happy Christmas :up:

Moving posts off of the main forum and into vent is censorship even if they are not deleted, IE if someone posts an opposing view in a thread, which is not trolling, is on topic, and free from abuse, if that post is vented, then the thread has been censored, thus the forum is being censored to facilitate a particular world view, but on the forum home page we are encouraged to post our ''own truths'' only to have our ''own truths'' vented by Greasy Thumb, because ''our truths'' don't fit with ''his truth''.

So if you're looking for something to describe as silly, it's having a spoilt brat moderator in position to protect his own world view, threads that he and his cronies have started, from opposing views.

I'm quite sure if a moderator started a thread called ''Jews are good'' and then certain posters have their opinions of that, on that thread, and said moderator then vented their posts, we'd be hearing about censorship, Jewish control of the forum etc till the cows come home.

And what? That moderator or his cronies would reply, those complaints seem ''silly to me, nothings deleted.''

During Clarity Zone you were moaning like a bunch of bubbling babies, but nothing was deleted then, was that not silly, or is complaining only permitted when it;s about people that don't share your world view.

All you're trying to do now is defend Greasy's censorship, it's soooooo obvious.
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Ok, heres the deal... 25 Dec 2016 08:03 #18

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Novum's right is confirmed with every post about others and not about the content; i.e. what a discussion forum is actually about.

The kindergarten level apparently is more attractive than the topics.
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Ok, heres the deal... 25 Dec 2016 08:10 #19

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so Ausrotten is BT / Frothy i suppose ........ :facepalm:.what a waste of time.
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Ok, heres the deal... 25 Dec 2016 08:11 #20

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Orangeaid wrote:
You obviously are threatened by Trump and his re-empowerment of the white Man Frothy.

(((You))) wouldn't smear him in a way which was meant to agitate me otherwise.

I'm not smearing Trump, Trump has openly admitted that he likes Zionism, he has Jewish family and people in his team etc...

At one of his campaign events he answered a critic of Zionism who said that he did not want his taxes to support Zionism, as ''that's nasty.''

That's just two facts, I've not smeared Trump at all, but if you find the truth agitating perhaps you should rethink how you're going to reconcile being anti-Jew yourself but supporting someone who is pro-Jew, as if they are a new focus of momentum for National Socialism.

I don't know what type of cognitive dissonance you use to equate that contradiction?

I know dotty says that Zionism is about getting Jews out of the US (that's a paraphrase) and that's why Trump likes it, but Trump also likes American Jews, his son and law and Grandchildren and Jewish, his daughter has converted to become a Jew.

He's no focus for National Socialism at all is he?

So far he has failed carry the threat to prosecute Hillary Clinton, I think we've heard the last of that from Trump. he is now praising her.
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