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The Archons 23 Mar 2013 02:08 #41

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I consider myself a bit more discerning, more questioning than maybe the average person, but even I'm susceptible to buying a line or two of pure grade A bullshit :D I find that I have to be really on the ball or I start falling for shite. I was almost believing in reptilians at one point :roll: I had to pull back from it and give myself a talking to. Not saying it's bollocks, but I've not seen any evidence whatsoever that points towards their existence so it's been discarded.
I started getting sucked into astrology, I'm still struggling with aspects of that because coincidences keep happening that points towards it's "accuracy", I'm talking Chinese astrology mainly. I've mostly dumped that now though, thankfully.

I suppose it's about keeping an open mind but not too open, to the point of letting in the most ridiculous of theories, etc.
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The Archons 23 Mar 2013 02:27 #42

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Whether 'reptilians' exist or not (and they and greys have been linked to archons)

You cant deny that the 'truth movement' (for want of a better word) has been linked to these things because of people like Icke and others.
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The Archons 23 Mar 2013 02:33 #43

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novum wrote:
Whether 'reptilians' exist or not (and they and greys have been linked to archons)

You cant deny that the 'truth movement' (for want of a better word) has been linked to these things because of people like Icke and others.

I don't trust thast Icke fellow. His "reptilian stuff" is said to have come from a series of people who told him they existed, so not even from his own experiences. And NOW he is lecturing on Archons instead... like that's all his finding. Quoting Gnosism as if he was the first to know about it.

He's a back-rider, is all.
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The thing is, I can get my head around the theory, all that interdimensional stuff... Stephen KIng's Dark Tower: The Drawing Of The Three has a lot of 'going through a doorway in one world, and directly into the mind and body of persons in the other world' I mean in one part the main character talked about "coming forward" in someone's mind and actually talking to them, and completely taking over their body and mind. I thought the comparisons with Icke's interdimensional lizards was pretty startling actually.
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I always thought the Ickian Reptilian mythology was all too "V" the mini series.

But long before I even knew who he was or anything about Archons, I was very interested in serpent cultures and depictions in ancient art. Especially the crowned snakes and the snakes either devouring a person or the person emerging from the serpent. These are found in very different cultures.

Regarding the Archons...I've been stuck on one detail- so they are inorganic beings, mind parasites. One would presume they are without a physical body....so why are they described as looking reptilian or like a Grey? Are they projections? Maybe they are avatars for beings in another dimension. I'm curious about their creation in a non-mythological way.

Anyway, I am very intrigued by this one. The more I read, the more sense it makes.

And psychopaths- ever know a psychopath? I really don't classify psychos as human. They lack what it means to be human. They are parasitic in nature...just like an Archon.
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The Archons 23 Mar 2013 10:30 #46

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cantata wrote:
When I admin'd on a "spiritual site", it was all about spirit guides and angels and suchlike and it never made any sense to me. These seemed like the intercessors of old days - priests, saints, holy men, etc - who had to be called upon as "we" were too small or too distant from god/the creator to be heard or dealt with directly.


To me, that always felt so new-agey and in my opinion left far too much room and too many doors open for malevolent forces to come in behind masks with honey dripping from their tongues only to twist, pervert and deceive those eager or desperate enough to heed their "message". Whatever it is that "God" is, It ain't ever gonna lead us wrong or feed us grandiose lies. It won't have us throwing all of our money out the window OR into the hands of some crack-pot "guru".


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But I believe that Humans are FORMED from those particles of creation that contain god/the creator and, in that way, we can make direct contact. I don't really know how it's done as I find it difficult to understand what "Going Into The Self" means. But I think that if I want to talk to anything, it might as well be the organ grinder above the monkey.


That's totally right!! Why settle for the manager when you can talk directly to the president/owner of the company!!


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I think it has to do with saying, "No. Go" and meaning it. But sometimes it's hard not to fall into the anger and rubbish when the little red ants are gnawing away at the ankles. I get too easily caught up in matters. I'm terribly reactive to my surroundings and situations. I really need to learn how to let a lot of it slide by unheeded.


It takes work but it's something we ALL need to stay on top of and become seasoned pros at doing!!
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There's something else.... something inside, I think.... that "steps in" now and again, when we are quiet enough or calming ourselves enough, and suddenly we KNOW what we should or should not do, etc.


Just the fact that you're able to know and say this ^ ^ ^ alone means...


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That comes from us, inside somewhere; and I'd love to be able to contact that at will.


That you'll never be without the ability to DO ^ ^ ^ THIS. :thumbup:

You've GOT the power. WE ALL DO!! It's just doing what it takes to put it into action and make it happen!!
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Regarding the Archons...I've been stuck on one detail- so they are inorganic beings, mind parasites. One would presume they are without a physical body....so why are they described as looking reptilian or like a Grey? Are they projections? Maybe they are avatars for beings in another dimension. I'm curious about their creation in a non-mythological way.


I'm not exactly sure of how they became associated with greys or reptilians but I don't lump them together with either of those "beings". I know I've heard John Lash talk about how they [the archons] were brought into being as something of a mistake, like a miscarriage and therefore resembled [in physical form?] an aborted fetus. Obviously, a small, underdeveloped baby/fetus will have a large head and eyes with a small, spindley body and from that I gather it's drawn that they look like the greys. But what if describing them as looking like "an aborted fetus" is more symbolic than literal?

We have to remember that these Gnostic folks were people of thousands of years past. Their world and Life experiences aren't going to be anywhere near what ours of today are. Their mentality and outlook, just everything about them would be shaped by the times they lived in and so much of what we live as "Life" today wouldn't even be in the same book, let alone on the same page as them!!

So I'm not real sure about the "archons = reppies & greys" angle. I just classify them as a non-physical force of entities all their own. Using powerful, negative emotions as vehicles through which they interact with humanity, manipulating us with whatever they can in order to have a greater source of energy on which to feed. Through temptations and vices, they can't fuck with our "free will" but they can most certainly put a stutter in our step to make us [of our own volition] choose to do something that we otherwise wouldn't.

Like in the movie Fallen, how that "evil" people-jumps. It goes from one person to the next, by touch. Well, I think archons do that but without the need for humans to have actual physical contact. It can just be through interaction. Using fear, anger or sadness between people to travel from one energy source to the next. They see us like we see all-you-can-eat buffets. Every different food item is a new person and they go from one to the other according to their wants & whims. With the goal being whatever they can do to cause the most emotional chaos. Disrupting peace and balance to cause pain, grief and misery.

I think it's said that certain emotions [those associated with negativity like anger, fear, sadness] provide different [lower?] vibrational frequencies [not a fan of the new-agey terminolgy!] that are inferior energies and that's their preferred "food of choice". I guess it's like being full of Love and Peacefulness would be like throwing a bucket full of cabbage to a hungry lion, while being full of hatred or fear would be like throwing that same lion a freshly skinned deer carcass.

Anyway, there's some weird freaky shit feeding on us. Draining us of our power and leaving us to believe that our only option is to just scrape by under the radar, existing, not truly Living. It's time we called Bullshit on them, loud and fucking clear.
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phemohilia wrote:
KayDee wrote:
Regarding the Archons...I've been stuck on one detail- so they are inorganic beings, mind parasites. One would presume they are without a physical body....so why are they described as looking reptilian or like a Grey? Are they projections? Maybe they are avatars for beings in another dimension. I'm curious about their creation in a non-mythological way.


I'm not exactly sure of how they became associated with greys or reptilians but I don't lump them together with either of those "beings". I know I've heard John Lash talk about how they [the archons] were brought into being as something of a mistake, like a miscarriage and therefore resembled [in physical form?] an aborted fetus. Obviously, a small, underdeveloped baby/fetus will have a large head and eyes with a small, spindley body and from that I gather it's drawn that they look like the greys. But what if describing them as looking like "an aborted fetus" is more symbolic than literal?

We have to remember that these Gnostic folks were people of thousands of years past. Their world and Life experiences aren't going to be anywhere near what ours of today are. Their mentality and outlook, just everything about them would be shaped by the times they lived in and so much of what we live as "Life" today wouldn't even be in the same book, let alone on the same page as them!!

So I'm not real sure about the "archons = reppies & greys" angle. I just classify them as a non-physical force of entities all their own. Using powerful, negative emotions as vehicles through which they interact with humanity, manipulating us with whatever they can in order to have a greater source of energy on which to feed. Through temptations and vices, they can't fuck with our "free will" but they can most certainly put a stutter in our step to make us [of our own volition] choose to do something that we otherwise wouldn't.

Like in the movie Fallen, how that "evil" people-jumps. It goes from one person to the next, by touch. Well, I think archons do that but without the need for humans to have actual physical contact. It can just be through interaction. Using fear, anger or sadness between people to travel from one energy source to the next. They see us like we see all-you-can-eat buffets. Every different food item is a new person and they go from one to the other according to their wants & whims. With the goal being whatever they can do to cause the most emotional chaos. Disrupting peace and balance to cause pain, grief and misery.

I think it's said that certain emotions [those associated with negativity like anger, fear, sadness] provide different [lower?] vibrational frequencies [not a fan of the new-agey terminolgy!] that are inferior energies and that's their preferred "food of choice". I guess it's like being full of Love and Peacefulness would be like throwing a bucket full of cabbage to a hungry lion, while being full of hatred or fear would be like throwing that same lion a freshly skinned deer carcass.

Anyway, there's some weird freaky shit feeding on us. Draining us of our power and leaving us to believe that our only option is to just scrape by under the radar, existing, not truly Living. It's time we called Bullshit on them, loud and fucking clear.

I'm not confused as to how they operate or the fact that its written by an ancient culture. That's why I said I want to know about their origins in a non-mythological way. I don't believe in Gods and Goddesses per say- maybe there is a divine energy coming from a divine source; I don't know(not really qualified to say). What I'm getting at is they were described, as if someone saw them...maybe just a transparent image/maybe not a physical form. The whole aborted fetus thing with Sophia wanting to recreate/ spawn life without a partner sounds like some kinda creation of AI or artificial creation of some kind. I saw fetuses in different development stages at The Bodies Exhibit and they all looked like little Greys! It was interesting(the whole exhibit/ went 2 years in a row).

Anyway, since the whole thing is told as a myth, symbolically, then I'm trying to think of other explanations on their creation and what they are exactly. Perhaps the Gods the Gnostics spoke of were just alien life from another dimension; one of them went all Dr. Frankenstein and created a monster....and that monster created more monsters...you throw some humans in the mix- and pow!- you've got a chaotic existence.

Anyway, there are so many possibilities.
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KayDee wrote:
I'm not confused as to how they operate or the fact that its written by an ancient culture. That's why I said I want to know about their origins in a non-mythological way. I don't believe in Gods and Goddesses per say- maybe there is a divine energy coming from a divine source; I don't know(not really qualified to say). What I'm getting at is they were described, as if someone saw them...maybe just a transparent image/maybe not a physical form. The whole aborted fetus thing with Sophia wanting to recreate/ spawn life without a partner sounds like some kinda creation of AI or artificial creation of some kind. I saw fetuses in different development stages at The Bodies Exhibit and they all looked like little Greys! It was interesting(the whole exhibit/ went 2 years in a row).

Anyway, since the whole thing is told as a myth, symbolically, then I'm trying to think of other explanations on their creation and what they are exactly. Perhaps the Gods the Gnostics spoke of were just alien life from another dimension; one of them went all Dr. Frankenstein and created a monster....and that monster created more monsters...you throw some humans in the mix- and pow!- you've got a chaotic existence.

Anyway, there are so many possibilities.

I just started typing and next thing I knew, there was the novel you see above. :emb:

I don't know where I was going with it all, it just kinda flew out in all directions. :sadno:
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Happens to me all the time. Sometimes I get so derailed, I never get around to making my original point! :roll:
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A couple of interesting passages from gnosis.org/naghamm/apocjn.html

"And when Yaltabaoth noticed that they withdrew from him, he cursed his earth. He found the woman as she was preparing herself for her husband. He was lord over her, though he did not know the mystery which had come to pass through the holy decree. And they were afraid to blame him. And he showed his angels his ignorance which is in him. And he cast them out of paradise and he clothed them in gloomy darkness. And the chief archon saw the virgin who stood by Adam, and that the luminous Epinoia of life had appeared in her. And Yaltabaoth was full of ignorance. And when the foreknowledge of the All noticed (it), she sent some and they snatched life out of Eve.

"And the chief archon seduced her and he begot in her two sons; the first and the second (are) Eloim and Yave. Eloim has a bear-face and Yave has a cat-face. The one is righteous but the other is unrighteous. (Yave is righteous but Eloim is unrighteous.) Yave he set over the fire and the wind, and Eloim he set over the water and the earth. And these he called with the names Cain and Abel with a view to deceive.

"Now up to the present day, sexual intercourse continued due to the chief archon. And he planted sexual desire in her who belongs to Adam. And he produced through intercourse the copies of the bodies, and he inspired them with his counterfeit spirit.

"And the two archons he set over principalities, so that they might rule over the tomb. And when Adam recognized the likeness of his own foreknowledge, he begot the likeness of the son of man. He called him Seth, according to the way of the race in the aeons. Likewise, the mother also sent down her spirit, which is in her likeness and a copy of those who are in the pleroma, for she will prepare a dwelling place for the aeons which will come down. And he made them drink water of forgetfulness, from the chief archon, in order that they might not know from where they came. Thus, the seed remained for a while assisting (him), in order that, when the Spirit comes forth from the holy aeons, he may raise up and heal him from the deficiency, that the whole pleroma may (again) become holy and faultless."

"And he (the chief archon) repented for everything which had come into being through him. This time he planned to bring a flood upon the work of man. But the greatness of the light of the foreknowledge informed Noah, and he proclaimed (it) to all the offspring which are the sons of men. But those who were strangers to him did not listen to him. It is not as Moses said, 'They hid themselves in an ark' (Gn 7: 7), but they hid themselves in a place, not only Noah, but also many other people from the immovable race. They went into a place and hid themselves in a luminous cloud. And he (Noah) recognized his authority, and she who belongs to the light was with him, having shone on them because he (the chief archon) had brought darkness upon the whole earth.

"And he made a plan with his powers. He sent his angels to the daughters of men, that they might take some of them for themselves and raise offspring for their enjoyment. And at first they did not succeed. When they had no success, they gathered together again and they made a plan together. They created a counterfeit spirit, who resembles the Spirit who had descended, so as to pollute the souls through it. And the angels changed themselves in their likeness into the likeness of their mates (the daughters of men), filling them with the spirit of darkness, which they had mixed for them, and with evil. They brought gold and silver and a gift and copper and iron and metal and all kinds of things. And they steered the people who had followed them into great troubles, by leading them astray with many deceptions. They (the people) became old without having enjoyment. They died, not having found truth and without knowing the God of truth. And thus the whole creation became enslaved forever, from the foundation of the world until now. And they took women and begot children out of the darkness according to the likeness of their spirit. And they closed their hearts, and they hardened themselves through the hardness of the counterfeit spirit until now.
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I'm gonna get on those last two posts of yours, KayDee, as soon as I can 86 the freeze-brain. :(
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Detach from the parasite:


On the subject of Archons:


I like this guy. :hookah
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"Spiral up, baby; not down". :D I enjoyed that KayDee. It took me a couple of minutes to begin deciphering his accent, but I liked his message and he kept it simple and possible.

I'll watch the second vid later when I have more time. Thanks. :thumbup:
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The Hypostasis of the "Archons" (The Reality of the Rulers) 25 Jun 2014 19:03 #57

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The Nag Hammadi Library

The Hypostasis of the (Archons)

(The Reality of the Rulers)



Translated by Bentley Layton
On account of the reality of the authorities, (inspired) by the spirit of the father of truth, the great apostle – referring to the "authorities of the darkness" – told us that "our contest is not against flesh and blood; rather, the authorities of the universe and the spirits of wickedness." I have sent this (to you) because you inquire about the reality of the authorities.

Their chief is blind; because of his power and his ignorance and his arrogance he said, with his power,
"It is I who am God; there is none apart from me." When he said this, he sinned against the entirety. And this speech got up to incorruptibility; then there was a voice that came forth from incorruptibility, saying,
"You are mistaken, Samael" – which is, "god of the blind."

His thoughts became blind. And, having expelled his power – that is, the blasphemy he had spoken – he pursued it down to chaos and the abyss, his mother, at the instigation of Pistis Sophia. And she established each of his offspring in conformity with its power - after the pattern of the realms that are above, for by starting from the invisible world the visible world was invented.

As incorruptibility looked down into the region of the waters, her image appeared in the waters; and the authorities of the darkness became enamored of her. But they could not lay hold of that image, which had appeared to them in the waters, because of their weakness
since beings that merely possess a SOUL :thdown: cannot lay hold of those that possess a SPIRIT :thumbup:

for they were from below, while it was from above. This is the reason why "incorruptibility looked down into the region (etc.)": so that, by the father's will, she might bring the entirety into union with the light.

The rulers laid plans and said, "Come, let us create a man that will be soil from the earth." They modeled their creature as one wholly of the earth. Now the rulers [...] body [...] they have [...] female [...] is [...] with the face of a beast. They had taken some soil from the earth and modeled their man after their body and after the image of God that had appeared to them in the waters. They said, "Come, let us lay hold of it by means of the form that we have modeled, so that it may see its male counterpart [...], and we may seize it with the form that we have modeled" – not understanding the force of God, because of their powerlessness. And he breathed into his face; and the man came to have a soul (and remained) upon the ground many days. But they could not make him arise because of their powerlessness. Like storm winds they persisted (in blowing), that they might try to capture that image, which had appeared to them in the waters. And they did not know the identity of its power.

Now all these things came to pass by the will of the father of the entirety. Afterwards, the spirit saw the soul-endowed man upon the ground. And the spirit came forth from the Adamantine Land; it descended and came to dwell within him, and that man became a living soul. It called his name Adam, since he was found moving upon the ground. A voice came forth from incorruptibility for the assistance of Adam; and the rulers gathered together all the animals of the earth and all the birds of heaven and brought them in to Adam to see what Adam would call them, that he might give a name to each of the birds and all the beasts.

They took Adam and put him the garden, that he might cultivate it and keep watch over it. And the rulers issued a command to him, saying, "From every tree in the garden shall you eat;
yet from the tree of recognizing good and evil do not eat, nor touch it; for the day you eat from it, with death you are going to die."

They [...] this. They do not understand what they have said to him; rather, by the father's will, they said this in such a way that he might (in fact) eat, and that Adam might <not> regard them as would a man of an exclusively material nature.

The rulers took counsel with one another and said, "Come, let us cause a deep sleep to fall upon Adam." And he slept. – Now the deep sleep that they "caused to fall upon him, and he slept" is Ignorance. – They opened his side like a living woman. And they built up his side with some flesh in place of her, and Adam came to be endowed ONLY with soul.

And the spirit-endowed woman came to him and spoke with him, saying, "Arise, Adam." And when he saw her, he said, "It is you who have given me life; you will be called 'mother of the living'. – For it is she who is my mother. It is she who is the physician, and the woman, and she who has given birth."

My Note:
Take very careful note of the exact Wordings used here (& compare it with other given verses!!):

(Wording is very Important at all times!) >>>

Then the authorities came up to their Adam. And when they saw his female counterpart speaking with him, they became agitated with great agitation; and they became enamored of her. They said to one another, "Come, let us sow our seed in her," and they pursued her. And she laughed at them for their witlessness and their blindness; and in their clutches she became a tree, and left before them her shadowy reflection resembling herself; and they defiled it foully. – And they defiled the stamp of her voice, so that by the form they had modeled, together with their (own) image, they made themselves liable to condemnation.
Genesis 1:26
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after OUR ( (own) image ) likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.

Then the female spiritual principle came in the snake, the instructor; and it taught them, saying, "What did he say to you? Was it, 'From every tree in the garden shall you eat; yet – from the tree of recognizing good and evil do not eat'?"

The carnal woman said, "Not only did he say 'Do not eat', but even 'Do not touch it; for the day you eat from it, with death you are going to die.'"

And the snake, the instructor, said, "With death you shall not die; for it was out of jealousy that he said this to you. Rather your eyes shall open and you shall come to be like gods, recognizing evil and good.
" And the female instructing principle was taken away from the snake,
and she left it behind, merely a thing of the earth.
>>>>
>> My note & conclusion:
(The Earth & Nature is the Spirit Power & Instructor ) >>> and there is much more if you can read it out of the text with your Spirit switched on & the philosophical aspect of the scriptwriters needs to be considered at all time throughout all of scripture; because it comes out of the 4D realm understanding ways!!


And the carnal woman took from the tree and ate; and she gave to her husband as well as herself; and these beings that possessed only a soul, ate. And their imperfection became apparent in their lack of knowledge; and they recognized that they were naked of the spiritual element, and took fig leaves and bound them upon their loins.

Then the chief ruler came; and he said, "Adam! Where are you?" – for he did not understand what had happened. And Adam said, "I heard your voice and was afraid because I was naked; and I hid."

The ruler said, "Why did you hide, unless it is because you have eaten from the tree from which alone I commanded you not to eat? And you have eaten!"

Adam said, "The woman that you gave me, she gave to me and I ate." And the arrogant ruler cursed the woman.

The woman said, "It was the snake that led me astray and I ate." They turned to the snake and cursed its shadowy reflection, [...] powerless, not comprehending that it was a form they themselves had modeled. From that day, the snake came to be under the curse of the authorities; until the all-powerful man was to come, that curse fell upon the snake.

They turned to their Adam and took him and expelled him from the garden along with his wife; for they have no blessing, since they too are beneath the curse. Moreover, they threw mankind into great distraction and into a life of toil, so that their mankind might be occupied by worldly affairs, and might not have the opportunity of being devoted to the holy spirit.

Now afterwards, she bore Cain, their son; and Cain cultivated the land. Thereupon he knew his wife; again becoming pregnant, she bore Abel; and Abel was a herdsman of sheep. Now Cain brought in from the crops of his field, but Abel brought in an offering (from) among his lambs. God looked upon the votive offerings of Abel; but he did not accept the votive offerings of Cain. And carnal Cain pursued Abel, his brother.

And God said to Cain, "Where is Abel, your brother?"

He answered saying, "Am I, then, my brother's keeper?"

God said to Cain, "Listen! The voice of your brother's blood is crying up to me! You have sinned with your mouth. It will return to you: anyone who kills Cain will let loose seven vengeances, and you will exist groaning and trembling upon the earth."

And Adam knew his female counterpart Eve, and she became pregnant, and bore Seth to Adam. And she said, "I have borne another man through God, in place of Abel." Again Eve became pregnant, and she bore Norea. And she said, "He has begotten on me a virgin as an assistance for many generations of mankind." She is the virgin whom the forces did not defile.

Then mankind began to multiply and improve. The rulers took counsel with one another and said, "Come, let us cause a deluge with our hands and obliterate all flesh, from man to beast." But when the ruler of the forces came to know of their decision, he said to Noah, "Make yourself an ark from some wood that does not rot and hide in it - you and your children and the beasts and the birds of heaven from small to large – and set it upon Mount Sir."

Then Norea came to him, wanting to board the ark. And when he would not let her, she blew upon the ark and caused it to be consumed by fire. Again he made the ark, for a second time.

The rulers went to meet her, intending to lead her astray. Their supreme chief said to her, "Your mother Eve came to us." But Norea turned to them and said to them, "It is you who are the rulers of the darkness; you are accursed. And you did not know my mother; instead it was your female counterpart that you knew. For I am not your descendant; rather it is from the world above that I am come."

The arrogant ruler turned, with all his might, and his countenance came to be like (a) black [...]; he said to her presumptuously, "You must render service to us, as did also your mother Eve; for I have been given [...]." But Norea turned, with the might of [...]; and in a loud voice, she cried out up to the holy one, the God of the entirety, "Rescue me from the rulers of unrighteousness and save me from their clutches - forthwith!"

The (great) angel came down from the heavens and said to her, "Why are you crying up to God? Why do you act so boldly towards the holy spirit?"

Norea said, "Who are you?" The rulers of unrighteousness had withdrawn from her.

He said, "It is I who am Eleleth, sagacity, the great angel who stands in the presence of the holy spirit. I have been sent to speak with you and save you from the grasp of the lawless. And I shall teach you about your root."

(Norea apparently now speaking) Now as for that angel, I cannot speak of his power: his appearance is like fine gold and his raiment is like snow. No, truly, my mouth cannot bear to speak of his power and the appearance of his face!

Eleleth, the great angel, spoke to me. "It is I," he said, "who am understanding. I am one of the four light-givers, who stand in the presence of the great invisible spirit. Do you think these rulers have any power over you? None of them can prevail against the root of truth; for on its account he appeared in the final ages; and these authorities will be restrained. And these authorities cannot defile you and that generation; for your abode is in incorruptibility, where the virgin spirit dwells, who is superior to the authorities of chaos and to their universe."

But I said, "Sir, teach me about the faculty of these authorities – how did they come into being, and by what kind of genesis, and of what material, and who created them and their force?"

And the great angel Eleleth, understanding, spoke to me: "Within limitless realms dwells incorruptibility. Sophia, who is called Pistis, wanted to create something, alone without her consort; and her product was a celestial thing. A veil exists between the world above and the realms that are below; and shadow came into being beneath the veil; and that shadow became matter; and that shadow was projected apart. And what she had created became a product in the matter, like an aborted fetus. And it assumed a plastic form molded out of shadow, and became an arrogant beast resembling a lion. It was androgynous, as I have already said, because it was from matter that it derived.

Opening his eyes, he saw a vast quantity of matter without limit; and he became arrogant, saying, "It is I who am God, and there is none other apart from me". When he said this, he sinned against the entirety. And a voice came forth from above the realm of absolute power, saying, "You are mistaken, Samael" – which is, 'god of the blind'.

And he said, "If any other thing exists before me, let it become visible to me!" And immediately Sophia stretched forth her finger and introduced light into matter; and she pursued it down to the region of chaos. And she returned up to her light; once again darkness [...] matter.

This ruler, by being androgynous, made himself a vast realm, an extent without limit. And he contemplated creating offspring for himself, and created for himself seven offspring, androgynous just like their parent. And he said to his offspring, "It is I who am god of the entirety."

And Zoe (Life), the daughter of Pistis Sophia, cried out and said to him, "You are mistaken, Sakla!" – for which the alternative name is Yaltabaoth. She breathed into his face, and her breath became a fiery angel for her; and that angel bound Yaldabaoth and cast him down into Tartaros below the abyss.

Now when his offspring Sabaoth saw the force of that angel, he repented and condemned his father and his mother, matter. He loathed her, but he sang songs of praise up to Sophia and her daughter Zoe. And Sophia and Zoe caught him up and gave him charge of the seventh heaven, below the veil between above and below. And he is called 'God of the forces, Sabaoth', since he is up above the forces of chaos, for Sophia established him.

Now when these (events) had come to pass, he made himself a huge four-faced chariot of cherubim, and infinitely many angels to act as ministers, and also harps and lyres. And Sophia took her daughter Zoe and had her sit upon his right to teach him about the things that exist in the eighth (heaven); and the angel of wrath she placed upon his left. Since that day, his right has been called 'life'; and the left has come to represent the unrighteousness of the realm of absolute power above. It was before your time that they came into being.

Now when Yaldabaoth saw him (Sabaoth) in this great splendor and at this height, he envied him; and the envy became an androgynous product, and this was the origin of envy. And envy engendered death; and death engendered his offspring and gave each of them charge of its heaven; and all the heavens of chaos became full of their multitudes. But it was by the will of the father of the entirety that they all came into being – after the pattern of all the things above – so that the sum of chaos might be attained.

"There, I have taught you about the pattern of the rulers; and the matter in which it was expressed; and their parent; and their universe."

But I said, "Sir, am I also from their matter?"

"You, together with your offspring, are from the primeval father; from above, out of the imperishable light, their souls are come. Thus the authorities cannot approach them, because of the spirit of truth present within them; and all who have become acquainted with this way exist deathless in the midst of dying mankind. Still, that sown element will not become known now. Instead, after three generations it will come to be known, and it has freed them from the bondage of the authorities' error."

Then I said, "Sir, how much longer?"

He said to me, "Until the moment when the true man, within a modeled form, reveals the existence of the spirit of truth, which the father has sent.

Then he will teach them about everything, and he will anoint them with the unction of life eternal, given him from the undominated generation.

Then they will be freed of blind thought, and they will trample underfoot death, which is of the authorities, and they will ascend into the limitless light where this sown element belongs.

Then the authorities will relinquish their ages, and their angels will weep over their destruction, and their demons will lament their death.

Then all the children of the light will be truly acquainted with the truth and their root, and the father of the entirety and the holy spirit. They will all say with a single voice, 'The father's truth is just, and the son presides over the entirety", and from everyone unto the ages of ages, "Holy – holy – holy! Amen!'"

The Reality [Hypostasis] of the Rulers



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God said to Cain,, recognizing evil and good.Why did you hide, unless it is because you have eaten from the tree from which alone I commanded you not to eat? And you have eaten!

Exactly ..... So 1 + 1 = 2 ............... Who was Cain in the Story? ............. Well 1 + 1 = 2 still stays strong!
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The Archons >> One has to die & two will live TO BECOME ALIVE! 25 Jun 2014 21:26 #58

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Maybe the unexplainable is explainable after all !?

A Brief Summary

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The Fall

The Aeons who are manifested by the Son are conceived as having some degree of psychological independence. They lie within God but are separated from him by a Limit or boundary. As a result, they do not know the one who brought them into being. The Aeons sensed that they were incomplete and longed to know their origin.

This longing passed to Sophia (Wisdom), the youngest of the Aoens. On behalf of the whole Fullness, she took up the quest to know the supreme Parent. She attempted to know him by thinking alone, something that is impossible. As a result, she became separated from her consort and fell into a state of deficiency and suffering. Through the power of Limit, Sophia was divided in two. Her higher part was returned to her consort but her lower part was separated from the Fullness into a lower realm along with the deficiency and suffering. This lower realm is identical with the physical world.

Valentinians envisioned the universe as a series of concentric spheres. The innermost sphere is the world or deficiency where the lower Sophia was exiled. Enclosing this is the Fullness (pleroma) where the Aeons are. The Aeons are enclosed within the Son. The outermost sphere which encompasses the Son is where the Father (Depth and Silence) is. There is a boundary or Limit between God and the Fullness. There is a second boundary or Limit between the Fullness and the deficiency. Just as the Fullness is a product of the Godhead and lies within it, so also the realm of deficiency is a product of the Fullness and lies within it. The deficiency arose as result of ignorance and it will be dissolved through knowledge (gnosis).

Through the mediation of the Son, the Aeons within the Fullness were given knowledge (gnosis) of God and received rest. All of the Aeons then joined together in celebration and became completely integrated into the personality of the Son. The reintegrated Son is also called the Savior. He is destined to be the male partner or bridegroom of the fallen Sophia. He is surrounded by a retinue of angels who were brought forth in honor of the Aeons.

The lower Sophia, trapped in the realm of deficiency, continued to suffer the emotional torments of grief, fear and confusion. As a result of her ignorance, she was trapped in a state of illusion and was unable to distinguish what was real and what unreal. She underwent a conversion when she thought of the light and she began to plead for assistance. In response, her bridegroom, the Savior, and his retinue of angels descended through the Limit to her. Through knowledge (gnosis) of the eternal realm she was freed of illusion and suffering.

The lower Sophia rejoiced at the sight of the Savior and his retinue of angels, and brought forth spiritual seeds in their image. These seeds are the spiritual element present in every Christian. For this reason the seeds are referred to as the spiritual Church. Just as the Savior is the bridegroom of the lower Sophia, so also the angels will be the bridegrooms of the spiritual seeds at the end of time.

Three states of being or "substances" came into being from Sophia as a result of her quest to know God. First the illusion which characterizes material existence came from ignorance and suffering; it is personified as the Devil. Second came soul which comes from conversion as an intermediate stage between ignorance and knowledge. It is personified as the Craftsman (demiurge) who forms the material world. Last the spiritual seed came from her knowledge (gnosis) and is personified in the lower Sophia herself.

Despite the fact that the lower Sophia was no longer ignorant, the ignorance was not fully dissipated. The spiritual seeds were immature and needed training. For this purpose, the creation of the material world was necessary. The lower Sophia and the Savior secretly influenced the Craftsman to create the material world in the image of the Fullness.
The Craftsman (Ignorance) (Ego) (Arrogance) is ignorant = (Blinded Smart Ass) of his mother and thinks that he acts alone, but he unconsciously acts as her agent. ( It will awake all sleeping Spirits to kick Ass)


Yep; Makes all logical sense to me! >>> One has to die & two will live

TO BECOME ALIVE!

But which ONE of the three has to DIE for the other TWO to live?

For me to know & you all to find out!! :P

1 + 1 + 1 (-1) = The TWO = Bingo! Jackpot
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Human Beings

Human beings were created by the Craftsman. In addition to a physical body, Valentinians believed that people were composed of three non-corporeal elements: a demonic part (chous), a rational soul (psyche), and a spiritual seed (pneuma). Human beings were divided into three types depending on which of the three natures is dominant within them.
That is why Adam and Eve are described as having had three children who they named Cain, Abel and Seth.
They are the prototypes of carnal (choic), animate (psychic) and spiritual (pneumatic) human beings respectively.


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