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Paranormal is a general term that designates experiences that lie outside "the range of normal experience or scientific explanation" or that indicates phenomena understood to be outside of science's current ability to explain or measure. Read More: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paranormal

TOPIC: Psi - science

Psi - science 09 Feb 2016 15:44 #1

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The good and the bad all have a place in science. The list of influential psi-scientists provided in the link which follows is not focused on results any more than it addresses facts. But it can provide a starting point for personal awareness of some recent Western people.

I say every quantum physicist and thousands of Eastern philosophers and Yogis belong on this list. Pay special attention to William James (Carl Jung loved), Sir William Crookes, William Roll, Gary Schwartz, J. B. Rhine, Michael Faraday and Raymond Moody. Among the quantum physicists do not overlook Richard Feynman, Murray Gell-Mann and Heisenberg,

http://www.psychicscience.org/researchers.aspx

If actual proof is your interest you might look for the Minnesota Twins Study, Tesla and Edison's visions or hypnagogia, epigenetics, Masaro Emotu, healers all over the world, yogis and Harvard or University of Illinois studies on them, Persinger's god helmet, use of the World Mind technology, Sheldrake, shamans and the origins of the bulk of medical drugs, Mircae Eliade on alchemy, Qabala, Hank Wesselmann, Pythagoras, Padre Pio, and almost every saint in the Catholic Church starting with Saint Columba.
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Psi - science 09 Feb 2016 16:05 #2

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William Wynn Westcott was a leading light in research and esoterica. His involvement in Soc Ros (founded by my ancestor and namesake RtB) makes me almost certain he is an Hibernian like Thomas Paine, William Blake, Swift, and others I suspect including Jefferson, Yeats and Carlyle. I also recommend David Ovason's great book on Nostradamus.

http://www.hermeticfellowship.org/HFCollectHermRed.html
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Psi - science 09 Feb 2016 16:23 #3

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I'm not sure that a scientistic paradigm can easily be applied to psychic matters.
At best you have an apple v banana scenario and at worst terminology is strained beyond breaking point in order to 'fit'.
IMO every art and science has its own terminology and conceptual frameworks.
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Psi - science 09 Feb 2016 16:37 #4

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Words and jargon are invented and help prevent real research or understanding - see memetics. In fact it is part of the hypnosis most people are living under the thrall of.

But the scientistic (Kaku calls know-nothing science) group are finding the mystics had better words and better insights. See Re-Discovering The Mind (I have posted here) with Nobel Laureates of every hard science saying this despite going into their research with opposing POVs. I was going to post this in the Jew Hatred thread or Slavery thread (or any other thread on this site), but it can go here as well.

So much of our paradigm thought has been predicated upon racist ideas including those which set humans above porpoises and the apes we are descended from. John Locke and his crew felt the English were above all others on the Scale of Nature which was still taught in the early 20th Century alongside the idea that people who guided ships thought there was no curvature to our planet. Yes, Cosmas Indicopleustas was a mariner and he was paid handsomely along with Ussher - for their lies.

This oppression of consciousness and morals is still rampant in the denial of our soul which animals certainly have, despite the Pope in 1524 saying they did not as he raised the people in the America's above the apes. Even Thomas Jefferson thought the black people he loved screwing (Biblically) were originally a mixing or miscegenation of an Orang and human. Of course he did not know there were no white people on Earth in our early evolution.

Needless to say Nazis had similar concepts (some still do - knuckle draggers all).

Just when we left trees as a place to live (rather than caves as once thought) is a matter of contention. The age of early hominids still has a way to go as I see it.

"Despite the ability to walk upright, early relatives of humanity represented by the famed "Lucy" fossil likely spent much of their time in trees, remaining very active climbers, researchers say.

Humans are unique among living primates in that walking bipedally — on two feet — is humans' chief mode of locomotion. This upright posture freed their hands up for using tools, one of the key factors behind humans' domination of the planet.

Among the earliest known relatives of humanity definitely known to walk upright was Australopithecus afarensis, the species including the famed 3.2-million-year-old "Lucy." Australopithecines are the leading candidates for direct ancestors of the human lineage, living about 2.9 million to 3.8 million years ago in East Africa."


www.livescience.com/24297-ear...rom-trees.html

I like what this team of researchers are doing but I disagree that tool use is exclusive to hominids because chimpanzees use sticks to get at ants in hills the ants build. Chimps also use ropes to swing through trees, don't they? Higher apes will also use sound by beating on logs and trees. I am nearly certain they climbed aboard logs or amalgams of logs and vines (ropes) which float and began long voyages, at first unintentionally. What about otters using rocks to break open the shells of clams? I might even argue that selecting a special clump of trees wrapped in vines and picking away at the loose stuff was building a raft or home. Their preening is a highly intuitive act and social function but don't they preen other things like they do us or other animalia? Cats and dogs sure do, and cats will build homes by chewing on boxes etc. I recall a dog friend of mine who built a lair out of sticks and limbs.


"[VANESSA WOODS & BRIAN HARE:]Mikeno sits with his chin resting on his right hand, in a startling imitation of Rodin's Thinker. His left arm is thrown over his knee, and his eyes are slightly out of focus, as though he's deep in thought. With his black hair parted carefully down the middle and his rosy pink lips, Mikeno looks human. But he isn't. Mikeno is a bonobo — an inhabitant of Lola ya Bonobo, one of a number of African sanctuaries for apes orphaned by the bushmeat trade, this one in the Democratic Republic of the Congo.

Bonobos share more DNA (98.7 percent) with us than they do with gorillas — enough so that under his glossy black hair Mikeno has the body of a young athlete, complete with chiseled biceps and a developing six-pack. The question is: where among the three billion nucleotides of his genome is the 1.3 percent that makes Mikeno a bonobo instead of a human?

We have been seeking to define our humanity for thousands of years. Plato described a human being as a featherless creature that walks on two legs; in response, Diogenes turned up at one of Plato's lectures holding a plucked chicken. Other definitions have come and gone: Only humans use tools. Only humans intentionally murder one another. Only humans have souls. Like mirages in the desert, the definitions are always shifting.

In the six million years since hominids split from the evolutionary ancestor we share with chimpanzees and bonobos, something happened to our brains that allowed us to become master cooperators, accumulate knowledge at a rapid rate, and manipulate tools to colonize almost every corner of the planet. In evolutionary time, our progress has been swift and ruthless. What allowed us to come down from the trees, and why?...

The chimps didn't discriminate; they made the begging gesture at people who obviously couldn't see them just as often as they begged from people who were looking straight at them. If chimpanzees have no theory of mind, which this set of findings suggested, then that could be what distinguishes humans from other animals.

That was before Brian and two colleagues, Josep Call and Michael Tomasello, began working with Jahaga, a female chimpanzee at the Wolfgang Köhler Primate Research Center of the Leipzig Zoo. The experiment went like this: In a room at the center, you sit behind a Perspex panel with a tray extending from it that holds a banana. Jahaga sees the banana. She can also see you watching, and knows that if you see her coming, you'll pull in the tray, because you've already kept food from her like that. Instead of simply rushing for the banana, Jahaga casually walks to the back of the room, as though she didn't want your measly banana and was bored by the whole game. She continues along the back wall, slinking around a partition until she's out of sight. Then, when she knows the partition is blocking your view of her, she walks low and fast behind it and swipes the banana off the tray.

This was the first experiment to investigate whether chimpanzees will actively deceive another individual based on what that individual can or cannot see. Deception can be one important test of whether or not you possess a theory of mind, because, in many cases, in order to deceive someone you have to know what they're likely to be thinking and then try to manipulate the situation such that their thinking changes in your favor.

Jahaga's behavior in this experiment — and later that of other chimpanzees — seemed deceptive, not just because she slinked to a place where she knew you couldn't see her (that is, she was sensitive to what you were thinking) but also because she seemed to be deceptive about being deceptive: she looked as though she were pretending not to be interested in the banana (that is, she may have been trying to manipulate what you thought about her intent).

After Jahaga, a whole range of experiments have shown that in a number of contexts chimpanzees do think about what others are thinking about. Low-ranking chimpanzees will always go for the food that's hidden from a dominant chimpanzee's view, because they know the dominant has not seen it. If you suddenly look up, a chimpanzee will follow your gaze, wondering what you've seen. If you delay giving chimpanzees food, either by teasing them or accidentally dropping it, they know when you're being intentionally mean, and they act more frustrated than they do when you're just being clumsy.

But does this mean that chimpanzees have the same theory of mind that we do?"


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Psi - science 09 Feb 2016 16:44 #5

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To me scientistic paradigms are empirical and tend towards the quantitative to arrive at replicable, verifiable conclusions - Scientific 'Proofs' if you like.
The psychic area tends more towards the qualitiative, experiential with 'phenomena' certainly - not always replicable - or necessarily 'verifiable'.
Hence I can't see that there's a crossover nor need for one.
'Psychic-research' has always struck me as a bit of an oxymoron.
Science being one thing and the psychic quite another.
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Psi - science 09 Feb 2016 17:01 #6

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That has become known as gradualism and reductivism - it is based on Direct Inference or theorizing then setting out to prove an ego theory. It is not (never really was) Science. The Scientific Method developed before the Greeks or when Roger Bacon re-worded it says OBSERVE then Conclude. It did not say REDUCE all observations to only that which your religion or buddies say. It said Observe and like Socrates said question to see and interrogate first to make sure - you have all possible points of view - then you can integrate (only now being done in modern science) and finally CONCLUDE - knowing always there is more. Thus his saying reported in many ways by his students - "a fool thinks he is a wise man, a wise man knows he is a fool".

The research I quote and mention is the Nobel Laureates and not the prissy pundits who achieved ZERO and ended up as Magicians like Randi or teaching in low level schools enforcing me-too thinking. It is leading edge and proving wildly successful in all areas of society including epigenetics, and yes, we now have proof (last year) of what I said in my teens about the psychic point chart connection to the lymph system, brain and (neurophysiology) chakras.

There is a video of a good debate with Deepak, Shermer and Shaw (I think) where a Molodov (I think) got into it from the crowd and went on to write books with Chopra. The discourse was fair and the flaky assertions were pretty much beaten back all the time, but the net outcome was indeed good. Jean Houston was on the panel too, she was a person who told me I was a Messiah partial participant without any direct conversation on a night I was drunk.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugen_S%C3%A4nger

The plane used to hop along the atmosphere is a lot like the Avro Arrow jet which my high school physics teacher worked on. He may even have brought these designs with him from Germany. His name was Mr. O. A. Schmidt and I used to talk with him after class and after school. He was a sweet person but made fun of for his accent and being German by students (At one point including myself.). We talked advanced physics and I would bring him books my brother was studying in his engineering classes as he shared books with me. One of the books he shared with me was the book he took the final exam questions from along with the answers. He knew I did not need to study simple formulae and foolish educational curricula. I cried years later when I heard he committed suicide and tears still come to my eyes as I type these words.
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Psi - science 09 Feb 2016 18:10 #7

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It might be within me, or another dimension. It is not the close 'connectedness' that I had grown to cherish, or obsess about. Her 'charms' were so plentiful as to make mere words seem pubescent. It was in 'the doing' of things that she excelled, though she was very knowledgeable and able to compete intellectually or add to anything I talked about, it was her 'charms' and soulful touching that 'blew me away'.

A couple of years later Sherry and I went to Mount Charleston. We had a lunch on the patio surrounded by mountain peaks and cool breezes. These are not the same mountains that Lydia helped me to 'grok' or become friends with during my morning drives to Southern California. I had read Carlos Castaneda's works that deal with the spirit or amber rays that connect all matter and had a true wise and warm interplay with those mountains for years. This restaurant is a popular respite from the valley heat that I often enjoyed taking a half hour drive through the changing vegetation and climate to be with. I was trying to tell Sherry about the impact Lydia had had on my life and I sensed that our waiter was associated with her mountain climbing sutra. People from all over the world came to be with her and her husband and a growing community of 'seekers' that she was building. I told Sherry my feeling and she was sure I was just imagining things. He came to take our order and I asked him if he knew Lydia.

"I have not met her personally but I have met her husband. Do you know her?" He asked with a somewhat reverent and almost worshipful tone in his voice.

"You could say I know her. If anyone can know such a person."

My response matched his sense of worship of her greatness, and Sherry saw another example of what life can be and WAS (still is) for me.

In order to bring some semblance of normative 'reality' back to this discussion of things definitely other worldly I shall take a brief quote from archaeology. Then we will deal with Joyce Hood who I mentioned earlier is connected to Lydia in some way as well.

In 'Secrets of the Ice Age'

by Evan Hadingham from 1975 and page 75 he reports the following.

"One of the most remarkable recent finds took place in the suburbs of Vladamir near Moscow, at a site known as Sungir... well preserved burials dated to 23,000 B.C... It is not known how the Paleolithic craftsmen managed to straighten the natural curvature of mammoth tusks to produce these remarkable weapons."

That is true. There are many things modern science doesn't know and doesn't want to consider. How can we maintain our high opinion of ourselves in the evolutionary order or the intellect vs. soulful knowledge game of ego, if we examine the possibility of spiritual 'rocks' and other matter? We are clearly not as perfect as we should be, and perfection at a psychological or soulful level is not worth trying to achieve if one EXPECTS or stresses about it. However, it is necessary as a society for us to aim high and use the ethics of LOVE to try to achieve perfection. I have only briefly touched upon a number of things relating to the attunement with sub-atomic matter that may be connected to my mountains and these mammoth tusks. Some of these things include the Murrhine vases, 'rock-making', the 'Philosopher’s Stone', anti-earthquake engineering, 'laying on' of hands, psychic surgery and the biggest one of all 'direct cognition'. Findhorn’s leprechauns and large plants of today, are only a 'glimpse' into the world of spirits, elementals and the 'consciousness' within every nucleus that quantum or 'chaos' scientists of today have recently re-embarked upon.

One night about two o'clock in the morning I stopped listening to some mind-expanding 'tunes'. I stood up to conduct my 'attunement' meditation in order to express my love for Lydia. I was breathing deeply and moving my outstretched arms from side to front to back while turning my torso but not my feet. My hands were turning (as receptors of energy) from the earth to the sky in coordination with the in and then out of the breathing. I thought and expressed my desire to be 'connected' to all the spirits and allies, friends and LOVE that was within my 'selves' and the world relating to me. BOO stayed on the couch where 1 had been sitting. It was an intense feeling that made me feel great before going to bed to 'travel' after cuddling with BOO!

The next day I got a phone call from Joyce who I had not spoken to or seen since before I moved to Las Vegas, at least six months before. Joyce is the 'flat-bottom girl' with the unusual 'gift' of total sensory recall. This is the only person I have ever met or even read about who has such a 'gift' and I am not sure she had it with many other men, if any. This gift can produce some intense feeling for someone like me who enjoys pleasing a woman. I remember touching her psychic points and giving her energy after we had made love and I was worn out. I would then tell her to remember what we had done, not just that time but other times in other places as well, when different techniques or positions were involved. Each time she was about to have an orgasm I would do something to change her focus, such as kissing her while looking deep into her eyes.

For those who have heard about the Indian 'rope-trick' and know the impact of withholds I am sure you can imagine how enervating this was for me. Her voice was fraught with fear and she knew that I might be the only person 'weird enough' to explain IT. IT was the event that she had been wakened by that night or early morning which she had been fretting about ever since. She told me how she awoke to the sounds of the bed she had been sleeping on moving across the floor. She described these sounds as if it were metal screeching on metal. Therefore I asked her if she was SURE she was awake. She had no knowledge of astral travel or metaphysics in general. She maintained she was sure she had been asleep and was awake when she heard these sounds. Then when she heard the noises she began to see a ghostly apparition appear in the room in front of the window, with its louvered blinds shut tight, she screamed at the top of her voice. I asked her if her friend Melanie {who had been with her the night I met Joyce and read their palms) whose place she was sleeping at, was able to confirm the screams. She said Melanie said she had heard nothing but that that didn't mean she hadn't screamed. I could see she was 'fixed' on the opinion that fear had driven her to reach. She had been going over it with Melanie all morning. Melanie had suggested she get in touch with me. I had told her that we were through and that we would never see each other again so that she would try to find a new love when I had seen her last. We had only one thing going for US. I had not given her my number and I had been surprised to get her call that morning. She always maintained that I would change my opinion and settle for someone who REALLY loved me, rather than chasing psychic or spiritual 'unions'. She had called at least three other Robert Bairds before she got hold of me.

This ghostly apparition seemed, from her description to be more solid than most ghosts. I questioned her to get an idea of its possible ectoplasmic nature and whether there was a chill associated with it. She said she had felt no chill and that it seemed solid beyond light in a dark room and almost like chiffon. When she explained that it seemed to be turning back and forth in a 'rotating' fashion, I thought about what I had been doing before coming to bed. Then I honed in on the exact time (though blockages can delay the reception like a fax 'on hold') which was apparently simultaneous with my 'attunement' with all my loves and guides, especially Lydia. I told her that I thought she had been asleep when she heard the sounds and she had been astrally traveling (which everyone does) even if unconscious of it. The noises I told her often relate to the astral body being brought back by an unusual energy. She nearly refused to consider this because that was the thing that seemed to scare her the most. She calmed down noticeably when she heard me say that the vision was my soul or solar body that I had unwittingly sent out due to an adept I was trying to reach. In response to her varied insistences that she was awake when the noises came and she had screamed at the 'top of her lungs'; I eventually determined that she had seen the vision but was asleep for the screams. She chose the moment of our having reached each other in this way as a sign of our 'closeness' and began to remember and conduct a phone sex cum total body recall event that focused on when I had sucked her psychic point on the upper arm. This was a most pleasant end to her fright night and I have never talked to her since. Bi-location or being in two places at once is something I am sure a disciplined adept who worked on the sending of a solar body could and can achieve. Jack the Bodiless or Jesus on the road after the crucifixion, how many complex ways these different yet similar 'realities' interact and enable our souls is something the ancients knew far better than even the best adepts of today.
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Psi - science 09 Feb 2016 20:29 #8

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Gary Schwartz once came to the aid of the Amazing Randi when Randi was sued for fraud or something related to his constant idiotic behaviour which defies any reason. Randi and Shermer once attended this lab setting and the study of J. Edwards and found no scientific protocols were overlooked and they had no suggestions as to how better ascertain the actual results. Despite that they said it must have been wrong or somehow faked. I say if these giants of stupidity could not see anything - would that not mean something was in fact happening, which falls outside normal paradigm thinking?

Why is it that people like Carl Jung, William James, Alfred North Whitehead, Socrates, J. Krishnamurti and his friends Joseph Campbell, Vivekananda and David Bohm and almost every quantum physicist can be so universally accepted as good scientists or philosophers and yet their observations about psi are almost thrown out?


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