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Paranormal is a general term that designates experiences that lie outside "the range of normal experience or scientific explanation" or that indicates phenomena understood to be outside of science's current ability to explain or measure. Read More: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paranormal

TOPIC: Cryptozoology

Cryptozoology 04 Sep 2016 15:46 #1

A thread with a difference..

Cryptozoology means "hidden zoology''; which literally means the study of hidden or unknown animals that many claim exist, i.e involving the research and search for animals whose existence has not been proven, or are thought to now be extinct, but which people sometimes claim to witness still living? Cryptozoology is classed by mainstream science as a pseudoscience, or is it simply that modern science is suppressing information and not disclosing certain information? Perhaps because modern science will have to re-evaluate itself, and will make itself appear flawed and or compromised in the public image if it has to acknowledge the presence of previously declared ''extinct'' or supposedly non-existent species that may still live on the Earth? That's one theory anyhow. In doing so mainstream science in a way also suppresses the great sense of wonder, mystery, and adventure that's inherently within all of us. I think there may be something to this.

I'm not a great follower of UFO stories, space aliens, mythical creatures, and stuff like that. I think most of it is a load of nonsense. There's also an awful lot hoaxers out there who try to cash in on their stories and outlandish theories, which has made the way for a whole industry, who's gurus make big profits from basically selling nonsense.

However, I don't believe every story or sighting of something unusual or every sighting of supposedly extinct animals or unknown creatures are necessarily fake or hoaxed. I think some people on occasion are seeing unusual things that modern science can't explain. Or should we be saying won't explain? For instance there's literally thousands of reports and sightings of an unknown ape-like creature in parts of North America, especially on the North-West side. I think even if you dismiss much of it as a hoax, there still remains some creditable reports and bits of compelling evidence which strongly suggests some people are seeing something not known to science out there. Possibly an unknown species of ape? Even though mainstream science is adamant that North America has no native species of ape? Who's lying and who's telling the truth here, the eye witnesses who are seeing this ape-like creature, or the scientist that are adamant that no such thing exists? Another question is why aren't expeditions into these remote areas to study new or unknowns species (of which there could still be many) being funded any more? Or are they, and the results largely are being kept quiet and out of public view?
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Cryptozoology 04 Sep 2016 16:46 #2

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Surely you mean CryptoTrollology? ..... :larf:
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Cryptozoology 04 Sep 2016 17:07 #3

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Good thread topic.
Most everywhere has some sort of fabled creature that only some get to see.
Where I come from in Lancashire there's the Bogart which is supposedly something between a Yeti and Bigfoot.
Big hairy cove but very shy, that some claim to have seen- generally running away from them.
There's even a Park in North Manchester called 'Bogart Hole Clough' where, according to local tales, the Bogart used to hang out.
I never saw the Bogart but 'Never say never-say I'.
New critters are always being discovered.
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Cryptozoology 04 Sep 2016 17:09 #4

Very funny ex.. but No, the subject of Cryptozoology is not make belief or trolling. It's very real.
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Cryptozoology 04 Sep 2016 17:12 #5

GMP wrote:
Good thread topic.
Most everywhere has some sort of fabled creature that only some get to see.
Where I come from in Lancashire there's the Bogart which is supposedly something between a Yeti and Bigfoot.
Big hairy cove but very shy, that some claim to have seen- generally running away from them.
There's even a Park in North Manchester called 'Bogart Hole Clough' where, according to local tales, the Bogart used to hang out.
I never saw the Bogart but 'Never say never-say I'.
New critters are always being discovered.

I don't believe any type of ''Big Foot'' creature or unknown type of ape exists in the U.K. The odd big cat maybe, but not ''big foot.'' Any supposed sightings of apes living ''wild'' in the U.K would almost certainly either be a hoax, or on rare occasions an escaped or released pet chimpanzee from captivity or from a zoo or wildlife park.

The mostly wild unexplored and vast areas of North America, Alaska, and Canada is a different kettle of fish though. It's likely people are seeing some type of unknown primate in some of these remote areas, as some reports are credible and not just based on mere folklore and myth.
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Cryptozoology 04 Sep 2016 17:21 #6

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Most, if not all, "sightings" of "ape-like creatures" are reported in conveniently vague stories with a handfull of grainy photos smelling of jokes, fakes and hoaxes.

If there would be an "ape-like creature" in NW North America, where did it come from? Evolved from Homo? Took the slave boat from Africa? Swam through the Bering Strait from Russia? "Always" lived there? Where are the fossil evidences then?

There surely are many undiscovered species on Gaia's surface, mainly in the vast oceans of which less than 5% is studied.

But yetis, bigfoots, chupacabras and Nessies are the products of pranks, invented imaginations and drunk dudes who needed a thrilling story to impress their mates.
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Cryptozoology 04 Sep 2016 17:28 #7

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Get back on the mainstream track, Zorro, and stop thinking on your own -
you just can't discuss what you want if the system crowd does not allow it.

Only their own controlled anti-mainstream distractions are tolerated and pushed.


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Cryptozoology 04 Sep 2016 17:30 #8

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+1 Zorro.
Thnig is though, real or not, most cultures have some sort of mythical creature stories and a lot of those creatures are Yeti-type hairy people-looking sorts.
Gotta be something in it.
Maybe a racial memory from back when we had Neanderthals and Humans living close by each other?
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Cryptozoology 04 Sep 2016 17:37 #9

Gaia wrote:
Most, if not all, "sightings" of "ape-like creatures" are reported in conveniently vague stories with a handfull of grainy photos smelling of jokes, fakes and hoaxes.

If there would be an "ape-like creature" in NW North America, where did it come from? Evolved from Homo? Took the slave boat from Africa? Swam through the Bering Strait from Russia? "Always" lived there? Where are the fossil evidences then?

There surely are many undiscovered species on Gaia's surface, mainly in the vast oceans of which less than 5% is studied.

But yetis, bigfoots, chupacabras and Nessies are the products of pranks, invented imaginations and drunk dudes who needed a thrilling story to impress their mates.

Yes, I agree there are a great many hoaxes out there, but I don't think all sightings of an unknown type of primate seen mainly in North America and parts of Alaska are ALL hoaxes. I think people are seeing some type of ''ape-man'' or primate that's unknown to science, or something the scientific World already know exists, and is not telling the rest of the World?

Lack of Fossil records isn't an issue in deeply forested areas btw. Forest's generally don't lend themselves very well to preserving fossil records. Often the bones and nutrients of dead animals get eaten and decompose into the soil without leaving fossils. It's also not beyond the realms of possibility that they dispose of their dead in a similar way to humans? Which may also account as to why bodies aren't being found?
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Cryptozoology 04 Sep 2016 17:54 #10

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Zorro wrote:
Gaia wrote:
Most, if not all, "sightings" of "ape-like creatures" are reported in conveniently vague stories with a handfull of grainy photos smelling of jokes, fakes and hoaxes.

If there would be an "ape-like creature" in NW North America, where did it come from? Evolved from Homo? Took the slave boat from Africa? Swam through the Bering Strait from Russia? "Always" lived there? Where are the fossil evidences then?

There surely are many undiscovered species on Gaia's surface, mainly in the vast oceans of which less than 5% is studied.

But yetis, bigfoots, chupacabras and Nessies are the products of pranks, invented imaginations and drunk dudes who needed a thrilling story to impress their mates.

Yes, I agree there are a great many hoaxes out there, but I don't think all sightings of an unknown type of primate seen mainly in North America and parts of Alaska are ALL hoaxes. I think people are seeing some type of ''ape-man'' or primate that's unknown to science, or something the scientific World already knows exists, and is not telling the rest of the World?

Lack of Fossil records isn't an issue in deeply forested areas btw. Forest's generally don't lend themselves very well to preserving fossil records. Often the bones and nutrients of dead animals get eaten and decompose into the soil without leaving fossils.

But if you take (at least part of) the sightings seriously, then the questions only increase;
- if it's true; how did that "ape" get there?
- how come after ~200 years (the NW was populated late in North American history) of colonial occupation nobody has ever been able to shoot such a large beast?
- idem for ~15,000+ years of indigenous presence?
- where are the evidences on prey animals/forests/fruit trees?
- how does it fit in evolutionary trees?

Fossilisisation is a rare process, you're right, but:
- the colder and drier environments of the Rockies do not favour rapid decay
- other apes, including hominids and Homo sapiens lived in caves and collected food and (simple) tools there. Even apes today use simple tools, so if this "Bigfoot" indeed is an ape, how come we don't find those evidences?

Bones are not eaten, the flesh is. But not a single bone after years of searching by professionals and amateurs is a bit... unconvincing.

It would be ridiculous to exclude the possibility, but the alternative explanations (inventions, pranks and drunk misconceptions as well as mythical bedtime stories) imo make much more sense.
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Cryptozoology 04 Sep 2016 18:14 #11

All good questions Gaia, of which can mostly quite easily be answered. If you get the time then I recommend you watch this excellent and very informative documentary. Which will answer many of the questions. It's not your usual rubbish by the way. It's presented by 5 leading scientists in the field of primates and Anthropology, with some compelling evidence and eye witness reports too. It's also worth noting that some of the eye witnesses also past lie detector tests. So it's unlikely that everybody is lying about what they saw.

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Given the size and scale of some of the areas these sightings come from it's quite plausible that there may well be some Yeti or Bigfoot type creatures out there.
It isn't so long ago that a 'new tribe' of humans was discovered in the Amazon Jungle so maybe there is a small tribe of as yet undiscovered Yetis or Bigfoots somewhere vast and remote.
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Cryptozoology 05 Sep 2016 15:13 #13

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Given the size and scale of some of the areas these sightings come from it's quite plausible that there may well be some Yeti or Bigfoot type creatures out there.
It isn't so long ago that a 'new tribe' of humans was discovered in the Amazon Jungle so maybe there is a small tribe of as yet undiscovered Yetis or Bigfoots somewhere vast and remote.

That's the thing which makes it quite plausible. The vast areas that still remain unexplored and uninhabited, which makes it not only plausible, but even probable that there's species of ape out there which are unknown to modern science. Unknown and elusive species of primate could certainly explain so called ''big foot'' sightings in these remote areas?
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Cryptozoology 05 Sep 2016 17:21 #14

Doesn't anybody else find it very odd that not much money or resources are being made available for the funding of new expeditions in these vast still unexplored remote areas on Earth? Instead they're spending countless billions on wars and weaponry that don't benefit humanity or the Earth and it's animals in anyway whatsoever. What they're doing is in fact taking man in a steep backward direction. Look how much money and ''research'' they've put into trying to convince people of man made ''Global Warming'', which many known is a Pseudoscience and a complete deception anyhow. There's something very wrong with this world at the moment. All the great expeditions that mainly Europeans embarked on in the 20th century to make new discoveries are either being deliberately shut down, or under funded. It's the same score with many of the archaeological finds of recent times to establish where we came from and our true origin, not to mention our recent history being completely rewritten and distorted. We see the same mindset throughout the whole establishment now. They don't want us to have a correct grasp on who we are, where we came from, or discovering many of the great mysteries this World still hides.
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Well the self appointed 'intellectual elite' want to be the only ones who are really educated on these things, imho. Keep the rest of us in the dark.

Ive seen shillary try and convince people to stay away from antarctica for one, now that advances in technology mean that privateers and small scale (lower budget) operations can have a go.
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There's quite a bit of serious Loch Ness 'monster' research online.
Thing is with field-based research is that it's very expensive so maybe unless a university can pull in some private funding they are reluctant to commit a lot of money to something that might not 'pay off'.
That seems to be a major criteria for research funding these days that there has to be some sort of positive financial 'pay back' from it.
With Loch Ness and the 'monster' there is a payback from increased tourism and income going into the area so maybe that 'find Nessie' funding isn't so hard to come by as it could be for say Yetis or Bigfoots.
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You don't seem to realise that the modern world has a layer of Jews in pretty much every country. And if they profit, they like it. Wars and weaponry give owners profits. Paper money and the Fed gives Jews profits. Global Warming gives Jews profits, as does 9/11, NASA, and nuke frauds.
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Rerevisionist wrote:
You don't seem to realise that the modern world has a layer of Jews in pretty much every country. And if they profit, they like it. Wars and weaponry give owners profits. Paper money and the Fed gives Jews profits. Global Warming gives Jews profits, as does 9/11, NASA, and nuke frauds.
www.big-lies.org/jews/ is my attempt at enlightenment.

You're a good man Rere but this post is both wrong and in the wrong thread. However it is not the kind of spam I kill (I only go after sales pitches)

First up we do
realise that the modern world has a layer of Jews in pretty much every country.
. Maybe a few here argue against it, but that's the nature of a forum. You run a unique website, and I cite it often, but you don't have to deal with other points of view challenging you head on. Here we do, and that is as it should be.

Now as to "Bigfoot", "Yeti" etc. I have not researched the topic and do not have a dog in the fight. However I note that 'aliens' usually have strangely familiar human shapes, for obvious reasons...
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Cryptozoology 20 Sep 2016 11:52 #19

Rerevisionist wrote:
You don't seem to realise that the modern world has a layer of Jews in pretty much every country. And if they profit, they like it. Wars and weaponry give owners profits. Paper money and the Fed gives Jews profits. Global Warming gives Jews profits, as does 9/11, NASA, and nuke frauds.
www.big-lies.org/jews/ is my attempt at enlightenment.

I realise that, and the Jewish question is a topic that gets widely discussed here in many different threads, even over done at times. However please don't view this thread as just another distraction or ''turd in the punch bowl'', so to speak. I genuinely believe there's an ''undiscovered'' species of great ape that exists in remote parts of North America and Alaska, there's just too many sightings reported now, and too much evidence building up for it to all be built on a hoax. You'll note too that I say ALL, I say that because yes, there's lots of hoaxes surrounding the topic. I also believe there's other species of animals on Earth that remain undiscovered, or have already been declared extinct but are not extinct. Indeed, modern science seems to be suppressing the research that would lead us into making new discoveries about our world. That's partly because so called modern science has become stagnated with Dogma and ran from the top down by an utterly corrupted ''peer review'' system.
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Cryptozoology 20 Oct 2016 22:58 #20

Lloyd Pye. 20 MILLION YEARS OF SUPPRESSED HISTORY





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