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TOPIC: Are Dinosaurs A Hoax?

Are Dinosaurs A Hoax? 27 Mar 2017 00:21 #21

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There is evidence the Earth was once both smaller and larger than today. Larger appears to be supported by tidal rhythmite counts from ca 200m years ago. See truth-zone.net/forum/planet-earth/64198-the-expanding-earth-is-for-sure.html

That is when giantism would be logical. When gravity was about 25% -50% today's value.

As for asteroid hit, there is evidence for. Could have precipitated a rapid outgassing into space of hydrogen, rapidly increasing gravity and making dinosaurs untenable.
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Are Dinosaurs A Hoax? 27 Mar 2017 02:05 #22

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An oil pipeline crew in Canada unearthed a 100-foot-long fossilized dinosaur skeleton this week, when a backhoe operator excavating soil accidentally broke off a piece of the creature’s tail. Paleontologists who arrived at the site near Spirit River in Alberta on Wednesday were stunned by the discovery, explaining that it’s rare to find fossils preserved in one piece. The pipeline company has assigned its workers to help the paleontologists carefully remove the fossil, which remains partially buried about 1.5 meters underground.



science.time.com/2013/10/03/pipeline-worker-finds-huge-dinosaur-fossil/

That could quite easily be a fossilised whale vertebrae? Where is the proof that anybody ever discovered a complete fossil of a T-rex? Where are all the pictures of complete fossils that depict the dinosaurs we see on display in museums around the World? Which we now know aren't made up of actual complete fossils or real bones. They are all man made and hypothetically reconstructed from incomplete fossils.
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Are Dinosaurs A Hoax? 27 Mar 2017 03:07 #23

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How do whales that evolved around 40 million years end up inside rock formations of at least 25 Ma older?

Do you really think that without ANY analysis on bones in your portfolio shouting "it could just be a whale" makes you sound intelligent?

Do you think all those paleontologists are incapable of discriminating between mammal (whale) bones and reptile (dino) bones?

Rhetorical questions as you didn't bother to answer my earlier ones and just spammed new videos of dino hoax disinfo bullshit. :roll:
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Are Dinosaurs A Hoax? 27 Mar 2017 04:42 #24

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An oil pipeline crew in Canada unearthed a 100-foot-long fossilized dinosaur skeleton this week, when a backhoe operator excavating soil accidentally broke off a piece of the creature’s tail. Paleontologists who arrived at the site near Spirit River in Alberta on Wednesday were stunned by the discovery, explaining that it’s rare to find fossils preserved in one piece. The pipeline company has assigned its workers to help the paleontologists carefully remove the fossil, which remains partially buried about 1.5 meters underground.



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This is 40 miles from my home. I saw it.
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Are Dinosaurs A Hoax? 27 Mar 2017 05:05 #25

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Are Dinosaurs A Hoax? 27 Mar 2017 12:58 #26

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An oil pipeline crew in Canada unearthed a 100-foot-long fossilized dinosaur skeleton this week, when a backhoe operator excavating soil accidentally broke off a piece of the creature’s tail. Paleontologists who arrived at the site near Spirit River in Alberta on Wednesday were stunned by the discovery, explaining that it’s rare to find fossils preserved in one piece. The pipeline company has assigned its workers to help the paleontologists carefully remove the fossil, which remains partially buried about 1.5 meters underground.



science.time.com/2013/10/03/pipeline-worker-finds-huge-dinosaur-fossil/

That could quite easily be a fossilised whale vertebrae? Where is the proof that anybody ever discovered a complete fossil of a T-rex? Where are all the pictures of complete fossils that depict the dinosaurs we see on display in museums around the World? Which we now know aren't made up of actual complete fossils or real bones. They are all man made and hypothetically reconstructed from incomplete fossils.

That's quite possible, especially when you look at the periodic retreat of Ocean waters over Alberta, and the geological history of the area.

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The landscape of northern Alberta and the underlying mineral formations are the result of millions of years of geologic events. The periodic inundation and retreat of ocean waters over present-day Alberta has been one of the most influential processes on Alberta’s geology. At the beginning of the Paleozoic Era (about 600 million years ago), the deposition and decay of the remains of the Trilobites, Earth’s first skeletal animals, led to the formation of immense layers of limestone over the Canadian Shield (Fitzgerald 1978). Ocean waters again flooded present-day Alberta during the late Devonian period (which ended about 360 million years ago), resulting in the expansive growth of coral reefs across the province. These structures acted as sponges to absorb and trap oil created by decayed plant and animal remains. It was during this time that many of Alberta's oil reservoirs were created.

During the Mesozoic (“middle life”) Era, from 225 to 70 million years ago, Alberta alternatively emerged from the ocean depths, and was submerged again (Fitzgerald 1978). Deep bands of marine sediments were laid during the floods, and were shifted and spread by winds and rivers during continental uplifts. www.ramp-alberta.org/river/geography/geological+prehistory/paleozoic.aspx
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Are Dinosaurs A Hoax? 27 Mar 2017 14:45 #27

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There is evidence the Earth was once both smaller and larger than today. Larger appears to be supported by tidal rhythmite counts from ca 200m years ago. See truth-zone.net/forum/planet-earth/64198-the-expanding-earth-is-for-sure.html

That is when giantism would be logical. When gravity was about 25% -50% today's value.

As for asteroid hit, there is evidence for. Could have precipitated a rapid outgassing into space of hydrogen, rapidly increasing gravity and making dinosaurs untenable.

Expanded Earth also supported by the existence of fossilized remains of giant trees more than double the height of to-day's Giant Redwoods.

http://greaterancestors.com/ancient-trees-more-than-twice-the-height-of-the-tallest-giant-redwoods/
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Are Dinosaurs A Hoax? 27 Mar 2017 15:10 #28

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An oil pipeline crew in Canada unearthed a 100-foot-long fossilized dinosaur skeleton this week, when a backhoe operator excavating soil accidentally broke off a piece of the creature’s tail. Paleontologists who arrived at the site near Spirit River in Alberta on Wednesday were stunned by the discovery, explaining that it’s rare to find fossils preserved in one piece. The pipeline company has assigned its workers to help the paleontologists carefully remove the fossil, which remains partially buried about 1.5 meters underground.



science.time.com/2013/10/03/pipeline-worker-finds-huge-dinosaur-fossil/

This is 40 miles from my home. I saw it.

I will pose exactly the same question to you. How can you tell the specimen found near the Spirit River in Alberta Canada isn't a fossilised whale vertebrae? Perhaps you would like to give us your expert opinion on why you think the 'dinosaur fossil' in the picture is not a fossilised whale vertebrae?

Was Alberta Canada not part of the Pacific Ocean millions of years ago? Then why would it not be such a great surprise to find Whale fossils around that area of Canada?

Show me a picture of a complete real life fossil that looks anything like the dinosaurs on display in museums around the World. You probably won't ever find one, because according to some sources no complete fossil has ever been put out on public display. Which probably means they have never found not even one complete 'dinosaur' fossil.
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Are Dinosaurs A Hoax? 27 Mar 2017 15:49 #29

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I will pose exactly the same question to you. How can you tell the specimen found near the Spirit River in Alberta Canada isn't a fossilised whale vertebrae? Perhaps you would like to give us your expert opinion on why you think the 'dinosaur fossil' in the picture is not a fossilised whale vertebrae?

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Are Dinosaurs A Hoax? 27 Mar 2017 17:42 #30

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The difference between continental and marine sedimentary rocks can be analysed using microfossils; for marine rocks foraminifera and for continental rocks palynological samples (pollen mostly). It is pretty straightforward to investigate the difference. On top of that other characteristics as sedimentary particles; roundness, sorting, etc.

Apart from that; mammals and reptiles have a completely different anatomy, so "taking a whale fossil for a giant reptile (dinosaur) fossil" is not at all logical.
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Are Dinosaurs A Hoax? 27 Mar 2017 19:27 #31

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The difference between continental and marine sedimentary rocks can be analysed using microfossils; for marine rocks foraminifera and for continental rocks palynological samples (pollen mostly). It is pretty straightforward to investigate the difference. On top of that other characteristics as sedimentary particles; roundness, sorting, etc.

Apart from that; mammals and reptiles have a completely different anatomy, so "taking a whale fossil for a giant reptile (dinosaur) fossil" is not at all logical.

I dunno. How can you be sure about any of that without having access to the reports? That's if they're even honest about it, or if they make the file public in the first place?

It's no big stretch of the imagination to think that might be the remains of a Whale fossil. Bearing in mind the fossil was found in the area of the Spirit River in Alberta, which was once part of the North Pacific Ocean.

The area where the fossil was found also looks like sand bed, or at least sandy dirt? Sand bed is often evidence of an area once being covered in salt water.

I would also argue against modern science being all about logic. Indeed, mainstream science beliefs are often about maintaining Dogmas and making dissenting opinions off limits. A classic case of this would be their ''Man made Global Warming'' Dogma.

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Are Dinosaurs A Hoax? 27 Mar 2017 22:34 #32

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The difference between continental and marine sedimentary rocks can be analysed using microfossils; for marine rocks foraminifera and for continental rocks palynological samples (pollen mostly). It is pretty straightforward to investigate the difference. On top of that other characteristics as sedimentary particles; roundness, sorting, etc.

Apart from that; mammals and reptiles have a completely different anatomy, so "taking a whale fossil for a giant reptile (dinosaur) fossil" is not at all logical.

I dunno. How can you be sure about any of that without having access to the reports? That's if they're even honest about it, or if they make the file public in the first place?

These publications are usually available via the online libraries accessible via Scopus, Sciencedirect etc. Haven't read this paper, but can have a look for it. The analysis of those formations is done by various authors and a geology student can already see how different marine deposits are from continental ones.

The anatomy is very different; today a biologist wouldn't take a reptile skeleton for a mammal or vice versa either.
It's no big stretch of the imagination to think that might be the remains of a Whale fossil. Bearing in mind the fossil was found in the area of the Spirit River in Alberta, which was once part of the North Pacific Ocean.

It is a matter of which age. Whales evolved only around 40 million years ago with the bulk of the fossils found in the Neogene, so less than 23 Ma. There were no whales in the Cretaceous. The paleogeography of Canada indeed was very different from now, but that doesn't mean that in this formation, with this age, the continental part was marine.
The area where the fossil was found also looks like sand bed, or at least sandy dirt? Sand bed is often evidence of an area once being covered in salt water.

"Sandy dirt" is not really a geological term. Indeed it looks like a siltstone or sandstone. Sands can be deposited onshore (rivers, lakes) or offshore (marine) or coastal (beaches). Or even eolian (sand dunes/deserts). It's the microfossils telling you much more, combined with the regional geology and sedimentary analysis.
I would also argue against modern science being all about logic. Indeed, mainstream science beliefs are often about maintaining Dogmas and making dissenting opinions off limits. A classic case of this would be their ''Man made Global Warming'' Dogma.


The Global Warming Scam is heavily disputed by not only climatologists (that are not in the funding pool) and geologists. It is a completely different matter than paleontology.

There could be a Dinosaur Hoax. But then give good arguments for it and an alternative explanation that is not based on the most misquoted and unreliable book of all time; the Bible. See the example of earthquakes, or thunder for that matter.

"I think thunderstorms and electric discharge are a hoax. It's Thor waiving his hammer and hitting the Earth" :sadno:
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Are Dinosaurs A Hoax? 27 Mar 2017 22:54 #33

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There seems to be no publication yet of which species this tail belonged or in which formation. As it's found in Spirit River, it may have been the Spirit River Formation of Middle Albian age (~105 million years old). It is named as a possibly duck-billed dinosaur:



These Hadrosaurs are allegedly younger (only from 86 Ma), so either it's a remarkable find, or it's a different formation, which seems the better option, for example the Horseshoe Canyon Formation

The paleogeographical reconstructions of the Earth in the Albian show a shallow sea in present-day Alberta:



100 Ma



105 Ma

Example of a freshwater (!) """whale""" of 48 Ma (the evolution is said to have started around 50 Ma, with a timespan of 15 Ma):



Remingtonocetus

The age of the formation is key. If it's a Cretaceous formation, it cannot be a whale and if it's Paleogene, it cannot be a dinosaur.
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The fossil was dug out of limestone along a Canadian river bank where it had been for 68 million years.
It had an exotic set of horns on its face, including stubby ones above the eyes, and spines along the edge of the bony frill at the back its skull.



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Are Dinosaurs A Hoax? 27 Mar 2017 23:37 #36

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"Could just as well be a whale"
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"Sue" is the nickname given to FMNH PR 2081, which is the largest, most extensive and best preserved Tyrannosaurus rex specimen ever found at over 90% recovered by bulk

After the bones were prepared, photographed and studied, they were sent to New Jersey where work began on making the mount. This work consists of bending steel to support each bone safely and to display the entire skeleton articulated as it was in life. The real skull was not incorporated into the mount as subsequent study would be difficult with the head 13 feet off the ground. Parts of the skull had been crushed and broken, and thus appeared distorted. The museum made a cast of the skull, and altered this cast to remove the distortions, thus approximating what the original undistorted skull may have looked like. The cast skull was also lighter, allowing it to be displayed on the mount without the use of a steel upright under the head. The original skull is exhibited in a case that can be opened to allow researchers access for study. When the whole skeleton was assembled it was forty two feet (twelve meters) long from nose to tail and twelve feet (four meters) tall at the hips.



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It's mostly the weight of some of those creatures which seems impossible to me.

If you look at a Brontosaurus for example, which would have weighed approx 40 - 50 tons...



...then you know it's impossible for such a massive creature to move itself along under earth's gravitational force.
And indeed, if you've got an elephant weighing 6 tons which has to eat 18 hours a day to stay alive... what time does such a creature need to have to eat?

Another strange thing is.. if these creatures have lived all over the planet for millions of years, massive bones would be scattered all over the place and be found on a regular basis by anyone who does some digging. Unfortunately, that doesn't seem to be the case and it's always the special teams who only find these bones and fossils.

Extinction Level Event also seems improbable, since all animals should have been killed off under such circumstances, not only the dinosaurs.
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Truly remarkable!

I found another one which has recently been found...



...and here's another one...



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... found in art-galleries.
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Meteor Crater in Arizona is one of the most apparent impact craters on Earth.



According to the scientists who have studied it, it was formed around 50,000 years ago, during the Pleistocene ("the ice ages for amateurs"), and left a clear visible and visitable landmark in the landscape.

Yet it didn't produce a world-wide extinction.

There are many more impact craters on Earth, verified using different methods. Meteors are daily phenomena, meteorites (the rocks that are able to survive the atmospheric friction) are found everywhere on Earth. If you want to extend the "hoax" to that, create a new topic, and we'll discuss.

But if one claims that a large proportion of paleontology is a "complete hoax", then make a good case for it. Show how it's done, what animals those bones belonged to, etc.

Not this creationist arm-waiving, that's not bringing anyone closer to the truth.
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