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TOPIC: The Dyatlov Pass Mystery

The Dyatlov Pass Mystery 03 Jul 2018 19:11 #41

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Last part of last diary entry:
We came out of the tree line. Wind is western, warm, penetrating. The speed of the wind is similar to the air draft created by a taking off airplane. Firn, open spaces. I can't even start thinking of setting up a storage. It's close to 4. We have to start looking for a place to pitch the tent. We are going south in Auspiya river valley. This apparently is the place covered with the deepest snow. Wind is not strong, snow cover is 1,22 m. Tired and exhausted we started the preparations for the night. Not enough firewood. Frail damp firs. We started fire with logs, too tired to dig a fire pit. We had supper right in the tent. It's warm. It is hard to imagine such a comfort somewhere on the ridge, with a piercing wind, hundreds kilometers away from human settlements.
So they had the last meal in the tent where it seems they were tired and needed the warmth. Snow is deep. Lack of firewood and tiredness problematic. Wind seemingly less so although described as "piercing" and like an airplane (50s) "taking off".
Luda quickly got tired and sat down by the fire. Nick Thibault changed his clothes. He began to write a diary. The law is that until all the work is done, do not approach the fire. And so they had a long argument, of who will sew the tent. Finally K. Tibo gave up and took a needle. Lyuda remained seated. And we sewed the hole (and there were so many that there was enough work for all except two attendants and Lyuda. Guys are terribly outraged.

Today is the birthday of Sasha Kolevatov. Congratulations. We give him a tangerine, which he immediately divided into 8 pieces (Lyuda went into a tent and did not come out until the end of the dinner). So another day of our trek went well.
Holes in the tent being sewn up not mentioned elsewhere, which seems strange if you've forensically analysed material to establish that cuts are from inside.

Seems like there are serious tensions between L(y)uda and the others, notably Nikolai (aka Tibo) and Semyon (aka Sasha).
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The Dyatlov Pass Mystery 03 Jul 2018 19:20 #42

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This guy Semyon (aka Sasha) is interesting. Much older than the rest of the group, a newcomer with a military background. Possibly upset the group dynamic if not something more sinister.



There are photos of him larking around with Nikolai. Seems like he was mentoring in old school survival skills. The 2 of them were the only ones found in outdoor shoes/boots/coats. Also they had other possessions like a Newspaper, compass, matches etc.

Possibly they had started/established the Den before the rest of the group abandoned the tent and fled to it. They were found together near Luda with similar impact/crushing injuries as well as facial degradation.

All this after having a row with Luda who was presumably too cold/tired/moody to help sew up the tent.
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The Dyatlov Pass Mystery 05 Jul 2018 06:48 #43

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monk.link wrote:
Holes in the tent being sewn up not mentioned elsewhere, which seems strange if you've forensically analysed material to establish that cuts are from inside.
Seems like there are serious tensions between L(y)uda and the others, notably Nikolai (aka Tibo) and Semyon (aka Sasha).

1- Yes, the Dyatlovs had sewed up some holes earlier but perhaps the searchers didn't think it was worth mentioning because the tent was an oldfashioned fabric one and had been used on previous expeditions and might have been showing normal signs of wear and tear.
Interestingly, if the fabric was rotting with age and a sudden gale-force blizzard hit them up on the slope, the tent might have started falling apart causing the bigger rips and "slashes".

2- And yes, there were serious tensions in the group, probably because Zina was romantically involved with Dyatlov after ditching Doroshenko..
Furthermore, Zolotarev also fancied Zina, so sexual tensions must have been running high in the tent and maybe a fist fight started, but it still doesn't explain the central mystery, namely why did all 9 of them abandon the tent and go down to the tree line?

Autopsy excerpt from MOTD p 71-76-
"Igor Dyatlov...bruises in the area of the Metacarpophalangeal joints of the right hand. A common injury in fights using fists.
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The Dyatlov Pass Mystery 06 Jul 2018 08:56 #44

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Ugh wrote:
...but it still doesn't explain the central mystery, namely why did all 9 of them abandon the tent and go down to the tree line?
The assumption seems to be that they all went down as a group (in a panic), but the evidence is just that there are tracks leading down from the tent (they could be from different times). It was said that the 2 booted tracks appeared to deviate only joining the main group further on. Some say they were perhaps going to the toilet at the time of the event.
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The Dyatlov Pass Mystery 06 Jul 2018 14:56 #45

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The assumption seems to be that they all went down as a group (in a panic), but the evidence is just that there are tracks leading down from the tent (they could be from different times). It was said that the 2 booted tracks appeared to deviate only joining the main group further on. Some say they were perhaps going to the toilet at the time of the event.

Good point, and I just found this on the net-
"A trail of urine and a dropped flashlight found near the tent indicated that one of the hikers had gone outside to answer the call of nature, and was the first to see the danger."
dyatlov.looo.ch/en/p/the-terror-tent

That in itself is a mini-mystery (as if there are not enough already!), because firstly all the campers in sub-zero conditions that I've ever heard about use a "pee bottle" inside their tents, and empty it outside next morning.
Secondly the Dyatlov tent entrance never had a zipper, it had to be buttoned up, and they hung a sheet on the inside to keep the wind from whistiling through the buttonholes, so it would have taken ages for anybody to unbutton everything with cold numb fingers to go out to pee, disturbing everybody else in the process.
Plus of course the stove was near the entrance and would have partly blocked people too.
Nevertheless there was apparently a "trail" of urine out there according to the report, and a dropped flashlight near it, weird..:)
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The Dyatlov Pass Mystery 07 Jul 2018 07:14 #46

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Here are some interesting snippets about the tent from McCloskey's 'Mountain of the Dead' which suggest how difficult it would have been to get out of in a hurry-

p.27- "The tent...interior had curtains with which to make compartments and afford some privacy to Zina and Luda.
Igor had built a stove that could be placed inside the front entrance with the chimney going out of the tent and upwards at a right angle"
p.122- "The tent.. was actually closed with buttons that were fairly stiff in the stitched canvas; once the front of the tent was buttoned up, there was an inner curtain hung over it for insulation."
p.120- "minus 26C" on the fatal night
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The Dyatlov Pass Mystery 24 Jul 2018 16:57 #47

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UPDATE- After more thought, I'm more certain than ever that my Murder theory is better than any other.
To recap-
Motive- somebody at Serov railway station en route to the hiking area claimed one or more of the Dyatlovs had stolen his wallet; the police were called but it blew over without any charges.
I suggest that he was so enraged that he and his mates tracked down the Dyatlovs to get his wallet back, and things turned ugly up at the campsite, ending in a big fight and the Dyatlovs fleeing the tent to run down to the trees to get away from the murderous assault.

Clues-
1- items were later found by the searchers at the abandoned tent that didn't belong to the Dyatlovs, which clearly indicates other people had been up there.
2- One of those items was a ski pole with cut marks on it, as if it'd been used as a weapon.
3- Searchers also found some of the Dyatlov's spare clothing strewn around near the tent as if the attackers had ransacked the tent looking for the wallet.
4- The autopsies revealed that several of the Dyatlovs had bruised knuckles, indicating a fist fight.
5- The tent had been pitched slightly off the Dyatlovs intended route which suggests they suspected they were being followed, so took a detour to try to lose the followers.

Food for thought- it happened in 1959, so if the attackers were aged in their 20's at the time they might still be alive aged around 80-ish,
and if the Serov police report still exists it'd name the guy who claimed the Dyatlovs had pinched his wallet, so perhaps he could be found and interviewed by modern investigators?...
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The Dyatlov Pass Mystery 24 Jul 2018 17:44 #48

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Yes, sure, a group of serious students are going to steal a wallet of someone at a train station. :roll:

Yes, sure, you hike through an extremely inhospitable area with extreme winter temperatures to retrieve a reportedly stolen wallet. :emb:

Yes, sure, you go and murder a group of people after you get your wallet back. :noway:

Under those circumstances, nature is by far the biggest and most frequent killer. With an accident (the fire theory) as second-best option...
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The Dyatlov Pass Mystery 24 Jul 2018 18:20 #49

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Gaia wrote:
Yes, sure, a group of serious students are going to steal a wallet of someone at a train station. :roll:
Yes, sure, you hike through an extremely inhospitable area with extreme winter temperatures to retrieve a reportedly stolen wallet. :emb:
Yes, sure, you go and murder a group of people after you get your wallet back. :noway:
Under those circumstances, nature is by far the biggest and most frequent killer. With an accident (the fire theory) as second-best option...

Sorry to disappoint you mate but my murder theory is the only one that ticks all the boxes..:)

1- The Dyatlov group were in high spirits and had already been told by the police to quieten down because the noise was disturbing other passengers at Serov railway station. They had 11 hours to kill before their train arrived, so to relieve the boredom one or more might have pinched the wallet as a prank.

2- If the guy was in another hiking group, he might have been looking after the wallet for his whole group, so naturally they'd be furious and would have been well-equipped to track down the Dyatlovs to get it back.

3- Perhaps the trackers had no intention of murdering anybody, they just wanted their wallet back, so a possible scenario could have gone like this-
TRACKERS- "Hey you in the tent, give us our wallet back!"
DYATLOVS- "Fuck you Jack!"
At this, the trackers might have made a few small knife cuts in the tent to show they meant business. (Searchers later found that there were small cuts in the abandoned tent as well as big ones)
DYATLOVS- "You bastards!"
TRACKERS- "Just give us our wallet and we'll go!"
DYATLOVS- "Piss off!"

Now the trackers go ballistic and start slashing the tent to ribbons, so the Dyatlovs come lunging out partially-clothed and a big fight breaks out and the Dyatlovs bones begin cracking because the trackers came well-armed with branches to use as clubs.
The trackers are now in an absolute murderous frenzy, so the Dyatlovs flee in panic down to the trees to build a fire til the trackers have gone away, but sadly the bitter cold got them first.

If any TZ member can come up with an alternate scenario as to what happened, by all means post it here..:)
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The Dyatlov Pass Mystery 15 Aug 2018 19:39 #50

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Has anyone gone with the theory of a backwoods serial killer? There's more of those around than most think in isolated areas just like that one.

Did the group have any defensive weapons whatsoever in the expedition? If not they were easy pickens even if there was nine of them.

An experienced mountain man or wilderness survival enthusiast can easily travel around through a snow blizzard and with zero visibility especially if it is at night could easily pick them off one by one.

Also, maybe it wasn't just one lone killer either because sometimes killers do travel in small groups and if it was a small group of killers living in the wilderness the whole incident becomes explained very easily.

There were women in the group, were there any signs of sexual attack or interaction? I wonder how long it took for authorities to understand what transpired and recovering the bodies in investigation, anybody got a time frame on that? If it took too long in terms of travelling to the location and recovering the bodies any assault sexually on women in terms of evidence left behind after killing them would have diminished periodically especially concerning the elements of weather along with natural biological deterioration. Criminal forensics in 1959 wasn't all that great either, they could of easily missed out on a bunch of things.

With the kind of killer or killers I am talking about hypothetically here it is unlikely that the women remained unmolested during the incident. I also find the tongue being cut out very suspicious......


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The Dyatlov Pass Mystery 21 Feb 2019 03:04 #52

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Another video about this mysterious incident:


Dyatlov Pass Mystery - Case Open - ObsoleteOddity Files
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