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TOPIC: The Allegory of the Cave - Plato

The Allegory of the Cave - Plato 08 Sep 2015 13:31 #21

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Three minutes of philosphy to check where you are - inside or outside
of the induced mind prison.






This animated film is lacking the last important sequence when the released prisoner returns to the cave to free the others after he told them what life really is outside and they swear at him, call him a liar and hater and almost beat him to death.
In the end they are anxiously peeping out of the cave, are blinded by the sunlight at first sight, turn around terrified and choose to stay inside and to get chained again.


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Plato's "Allegory of the Cave" versus "The Matrix"

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The Allegory of the Cave - Plato 01 Sep 2016 21:28 #22

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Plato’s Allegory of the Cave - Alex Gendler





Twenty four hundred years ago, Plato, one of history’s most famous thinkers, said life is like being chained up in a cave forced to watch shadows flitting across a stone wall. Beyond sounding quite morbid, what exactly did he mean? Alex Gendler unravels Plato's Allegory of the Cave, found in Book VII of "The Republic."





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The Allegory of the Cave - Plato 02 Sep 2016 13:22 #23

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Recent reports that 'Satire is Dead' have been somewhat premature.
Bless you Pfizi.
:)



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The Allegory of the Cave - Plato 02 Sep 2016 21:10 #24

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GMP wrote:
Recent reports that 'Satire is Dead' have been somewhat premature.
Bless you Pfizi.
:)



Your pathetic troll posts are proof enough that unintended satire is very much alive on TZ.


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"The truth must be repeated over and over again,
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only by individuals, but by the masses. In periodicals
and cyclopaedias, in schools and universities; every-
where, in fact, error prevails, and is quite easy in the
feeling that it has a decided majority on its side."

~ J. W. v. Goethe

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The Allegory of the Cave - Plato 02 Sep 2016 21:51 #25

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for informational purposes
Plato
THE ALLEGORY OF THE CAVE

Translation by Thomas Sheehan

web.stanford.edu/class/ihum40/cave.pdf

Even if we don't agree with Plato's sexual preferences I think it's an interesting topic.


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The Allegory of the Cave - Plato 02 Sep 2016 22:00 #26

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Cinta wrote:
Even if we don't agree with Plato's sexual preferences I think it's an interesting topic.



Personally i think sexual preferences are no benchmark for truth.

You seem to be a "homophobe" when it suits your agenda
or do you rather feel exposed by Plato's philosophical truth?

Truth is definitely not on your agenda, according to your posts since you came to TZ.

Your sources are evidence enough.


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because error is repeatedly preached among us, not
only by individuals, but by the masses. In periodicals
and cyclopaedias, in schools and universities; every-
where, in fact, error prevails, and is quite easy in the
feeling that it has a decided majority on its side."

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The Allegory of the Cave - Plato 02 Sep 2016 22:18 #27

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PFIZIPFEI wrote:
Cinta wrote:
Even if we don't agree with Plato's sexual preferences I think it's an interesting topic.



Personally i think sexual preferences are no benchmark for truth.

You seem to be a "homophobe" when it suits your agenda
or do you rather feel exposed by Plato's philosophical truth?

Truth is definitely not on your agenda, according to your posts since you came to TZ.

Your sources are evidence enough.


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In the end it all comes down to assumptions and personal attacks for you PFZIPFEI ; that is your truth and reality

You are the one in the cave dear, thinking the creepy shawdows are terrible monsters trying to get you


I am so sorry for you





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The Allegory of the Cave - Plato 02 Sep 2016 22:22 #28

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Pardon?

What exactly are you trying to convey, Cinta?



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The Allegory of the Cave - Plato 02 Sep 2016 22:28 #29

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Pardon?

What exactly are you trying to convey, Cinta?


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You can't manipulate me dear; you know exactely what I mean




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The Allegory of the Cave - Plato 02 Sep 2016 22:35 #30

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Cinta wrote:
You can't manipulate me dear; you know exactely what I mean



Oh, I see ... asking for an explanation means manipulation ... interesting!

You might want to watch the above video and I suggest we get back on topic.

Blessings!



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The Allegory of the Cave - Plato 03 Sep 2016 13:36 #31

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Recent reports that 'Satire is Dead' have been somewhat premature.
Bless you Pfizi.
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Your pathetic troll posts are proof enough that unintended satire is very much alive on TZ.


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It is Pfizi and thankyou once again for your posts.
I'm still chuckling about your 'Allegory of the Cave' interest.
Keep up that good work.
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The Allegory of the Cave - Plato 03 Sep 2016 13:50 #32

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PFIZIPFEI wrote:
GMP wrote:
Recent reports that 'Satire is Dead' have been somewhat premature.
Bless you Pfizi.
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Your pathetic troll posts are proof enough that unintended satire is very much alive on TZ.


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Satire HAS to be intentional, otherwise it is something else.



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The Allegory of the Cave - Plato 03 Sep 2016 14:03 #33

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GMP wrote:
PFIZIPFEI wrote:
GMP wrote:
Recent reports that 'Satire is Dead' have been somewhat premature.
Bless you Pfizi.
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Your pathetic troll posts are proof enough that unintended satire is very much alive on TZ.


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It is Pfizi and thankyou once again for your posts.
I'm still chuckling about your 'Allegory of the Cave' interest.
Keep up that good work.
:)

If PFIZIPFEI would dare venture from her own cave, she might see those foreigners aren't as scary as she's been led to believe.



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The Allegory of the Cave - Plato 03 Sep 2016 14:26 #34

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ragnarok wrote:
PFIZIPFEI wrote:
GMP wrote:
Recent reports that 'Satire is Dead' have been somewhat premature.
Bless you Pfizi.
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Your pathetic troll posts are proof enough that unintended satire is very much alive on TZ.


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Satire HAS to be intentional, otherwise it is something else.
Close but no cigar.
If I interpret a comment as unintentional satire, then to me; that's what it is. In doing so I appeal to the interpretive processes proposed by hypothetical intentionalism. That intentionalism may well be unwitting as in Pfizi's case where, to me; at least one of the shadows in Pfizi's allegorical cave (wherein she lives, moves and has her being) is of a small Austrian dude ( with moustache unseen) who performs a certain salute whilst goose stepping across the wall shadow-puppet style.
Pfizi applauding all the while.
Hope that helps.



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Not really. The fact remains, she wasn't being satirical, whether you labelled her content as satire, or not.



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Not really. The fact remains, she wasn't being satirical, whether you labelled her content as satire, or not.
My call is funnier than yours.
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The Allegory of the Cave - Plato 16 Oct 2016 17:59 #37

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Plato’s Allegory of the Cave Explained by Cute Dogs


dumb vs. smart wiener dog





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The Allegory of the Cave - Plato 23 May 2017 18:39 #38

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Cave minded dog vs free minded dog


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where, in fact, error prevails, and is quite easy in the
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The Allegory of the Cave - Plato 23 May 2017 19:00 #39

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So you support the man who encouraged the rape of boys? Revelled in the Hierarchy, of gold silver and base metal humans, that a controlling structure is more important than the people init.There should be no creativity,but a blind following of tradition. That only the few are capable of thought.

He sure was a devil thinker and anyone who calls the masses lower hanging fruit has got to be wicked to the core.
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The Allegory of the Cave - Plato 24 May 2017 01:12 #40

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Manipulation of history.
Plato's cave.
First is it by Plato, a lot of lectures that I have faith in have suggested to me that it seems to have been composed from an earlier existing story.

The cave allegory in essence I have no problem with that their could be things we do not see from our position, that then seen will change our view. I can't see a any rational person arguing against that. However in Plato's telling of this allegory the story does not stop there.

It goes on to say the man who saw outside of the limited view, went back and told the others in the cave and they set upon him.

It is this second part I have great difficulty with.

Historical context.
Out of all the works produced by the philosophers in Athens, we only have very scant details. This is because from the fall of Athens, Macedonian, Roman and then (((christian))) authorities burnt and destroyed everything, but the works of a few select writers of the Athenian Aristocratic party. Works which agreed with their agenda.

In all of Plato's works he argues against European gods, He argues for the Eastern conception of god/s. Read the Symposium and you have the template on how to form a hidden ruling Claque. Even down to the use of paedophilia. Every person mentioned in it committed crimes against the Athenian State, up to and including treason. Some we know were in the pay of the Persians at that time.
These are the Books the (((church))) not only does not burn, but actually holds up as a ratification for the (((church))).

So to that second part of the story, what it is saying even if you discover the truth, don't mention it, stay quiet, your own people will kill you.
In essence what Islam says, yes a muslim may no longer believe but they must not say anything, if they do it will be punished with death.
It is what the FDR says yes there may be problems with the hollowhoax, but no German can say a word.
This is the same crime the christards called heresy and burnt so many at the stake for.

This idea that your fellows will kill you for uttering the truth, is an abrahamic concept. and should be treated as such. I have been on both sides of the fence politically and religiously, I have argued with many Europeans about their core beliefs, and yes the argument can become abusive, but whether it be a racial, or cultural thing there is an ability to see the others point of view and their right to hold it. Simply I have always spoken out loud what I see as the truth at that time and none of my folk have even thought about killing me, or dreamt of attempting it.

The second part of Plato's cave is a lie inspired by non European thinking.
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