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TOPIC: Were the Ancient Brits of eastern England Teutonic?

Were the Ancient Brits of eastern England Teutonic? 28 Apr 2017 20:24 #1

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It is generally presumed that all those living in pre-Roman Britain were Celtic.
Actually for most of what is now England, and certainly the eastern half of England there is very little evidence these people were Celtic at all.
The Romans said they were Belgic, and the Romans said the Belgic were a German tribe that moved into Celtic lands.
If we look at place names in eastern England there are very few that have a Celtic origin.
Most of the archaeological evidence of eastern England is most similar to that found in Germany.


So is this lady Germanic?

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Were the Ancient Brits of eastern England Teutonic? 01 May 2017 10:29 #2

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Would you mind to share your thoughts first, jonb?

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Were the Ancient Brits of eastern England Teutonic? 01 May 2017 12:52 #3

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Basically if you are a R1B haplogroup you are Teutonic or of Scandinavian, Baltic states, to east Prussia into Britain and the Iberian peninsula including the Basque people which is encompassing all the old 'Gaelic' territory that predates the term "Celtic" which according to Laurence Gardner was just a term used by Romans to say "STRANGER" and no Celtic person would ever refer to himself as a stranger so this term is from another culture referring to the people they saw and not a name given to the people by the people themselves or anything they would have called themselves but if you are that haplogroup you are within that group.
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Were the Ancient Brits of eastern England Teutonic? 01 May 2017 12:59 #4

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Whoever the pre-Roman inhabitants of the British isles were, they obviously weren't equipped to defend them, as is evident from all the later invaders.that came here and diminished their influence. Back in the old days, might was right and you only owned something of great value if you could protect it.
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Were the Ancient Brits of eastern England Teutonic? 01 May 2017 13:33 #5

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I dont know much about the technical aspects of this topic etc etc, but heres my 2c

Y'all look alike to me.

Except perhaps bavarians, theyre darker.
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Were the Ancient Brits of eastern England Teutonic? 01 May 2017 13:58 #6

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X-MAN-J wrote:
Basically if you are a R1B haplogroup you are Teutonic or of Scandinavian, Baltic states, to east Prussia into Britain and the Iberian peninsula including the Basque people which is encompassing all the old 'Gaelic' territory that predates the term "Celtic" which according to Laurence Gardner was just a term used by Romans to say "STRANGER" and no Celtic person would ever refer to himself as a stranger so this term is from another culture referring to the people they saw and not a name given to the people by the people themselves or anything they would have called themselves but if you are that haplogroup you are within that group.

The Belgic question looms though, Ceasar and the few written reports we have place these people as being of a Teutonic origin, Ceasar in his book the conquest of Gual, states this is what is reported to him.

Should that be the case for all the stories (which are dubious) of mass movements of people that are supposed to have taken place in Europe, there has actually been no change, the population looks amazingly stable for as far back as the ice ages up to the end of the second world war when mass movement was first instigated, the folk seem very much tied to the land.
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Were the Ancient Brits of eastern England Teutonic? 01 May 2017 14:28 #7

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jonb wrote:
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Basically if you are a R1B haplogroup you are Teutonic or of Scandinavian, Baltic states, to east Prussia into Britain and the Iberian peninsula including the Basque people which is encompassing all the old 'Gaelic' territory that predates the term "Celtic" which according to Laurence Gardner was just a term used by Romans to say "STRANGER" and no Celtic person would ever refer to himself as a stranger so this term is from another culture referring to the people they saw and not a name given to the people by the people themselves or anything they would have called themselves but if you are that haplogroup you are within that group.

The Belgic question looms though, Ceasar and the few written reports we have place these people as being of a Teutonic origin, Ceasar in his book the conquest of Gual, states this is what is reported to him.

Should that be the case for all the stories (which are dubious) of mass movements of people that are supposed to have taken place in Europe, there has actually been no change, the population looks amazingly stable for as far back as the ice ages up to the end of the second world war when mass movement was first instigated, the folk seem very much tied to the land.

According to Ptolemy on a map he did for the Greeks the Teutons were placed in Jutland or Scandinavia. Also Pompaneius Mela stated the same but there were disagreements as to if they were Celtic, which again is referring to if they were one and the same people they had met before, the 'strangers' as it turned out in translation but they meet the same Gaelic or "Celtic" description.

Belgic is relating to the Belgae which is a group of people related to the Dutch so they too would look and would be Teutonic by at least half of their DNA. It makes sense there would be confusion because they would be having a lot of blond haired blue eyed children looking very Nordic. Some writers refer to Codanonia which is also referring to Scandinavia. All these groups speak the Indo European languages too so they are closely related.
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Were the Ancient Brits of eastern England Teutonic? 01 May 2017 14:51 #8

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novum wrote:
I dont know much about the technical aspects of this topic etc etc, but heres my 2c

Y'all look alike to me.

Except perhaps bavarians, theyre darker.


You don't have a clue of Germanic races, but at least
we all look alike to you - aren't we all soooo equal? -
and you regurgitated something stupid.






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Were the Ancient Brits of eastern England Teutonic? 01 May 2017 15:12 #9

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This is a map of coin use and it shows the pre-Roman tribes in Britain that are admired to be Belgic



This is a map of what we are told is the Anglo-Saxon invasion of Britain



Now isn't it odd that the explanation for Teutonic types in Britain which in academic circles is always said to be post Roman is an invasion of the very same genetic people that were already here?
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Were the Ancient Brits of eastern England Teutonic? 01 May 2017 15:42 #10

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This is a map of coin use and it shows the pre-Roman tribes in Britain that are admired to be Belgic



This is a map of what we are told is the Anglo-Saxon invasion of Britain



Now isn't it odd that the explanation for Teutonic types in Britain which in academic circles is always said to be post Roman is an invasion of the very same genetic people that were already here?

It is strange until you put it together with the origin point for the entire Teutonic line if you will. Iran! Aryan and that is where it starts, migrates north, becomes the oligarchy group running things as they go into Italy which to this day is where all the museums if you know where to look tell the true tale. These same families moved on and were the Etruscans, the Roman oligarchs and went into Egypt, Phoenicia and spread out sailing that way. Of course they were the Romans and that empire never failed it simply knew the best way to defeat an enemy was to become invisible to them and so the oligarchy of the Roman empire simply moved to Greenland allowing the threats such as Phoenicia and the Ottoman Empire and others expire over time believing the Roman oligarchy had been defeated. They are still alive and well and still ruling actually.

But also, one of the daughters to the king or Pharaoh as we call them, Scotia is said to have sailed into Scotland also meeting up with people of their own kin. They had a knowledge of their people having once gone to that far north land.

What I understood to have happened is that there was a royal and he did have a claim in Egypt, and or another province not sure now going by memory. But this "Jesus" figure was disruptive, his royalty was not in question and it is said a deal was made with this figure who was again of the oligarchy family. It was agreed that a story line would precede this individual and that the 'Whip' would help him to achieve status in a new land to the north which he could rule in and they would do this for him creating a story of his death here in the land he was making a stink in and they would do the other to make him appear to be a great leader and healer so that he would be well received in the north when he rode in if he would just go away!!

So this Jesus figure if you will moved there to this Teutonic land and is the one that mapped out all of London, the place where the Mayor of London resides and he was in fact the first "Mayor of London" as the story goes. This story is passed down in the royal lines as I understand it.
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Were the Ancient Brits of eastern England Teutonic? 01 May 2017 18:46 #11

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That is more or less the conventional telling of our race, that we moved into Europe from the east. And it would seem to make sense when we know most of Europe was covered in ice down to southern France.

However there are problems with this view, how is it if Aryans evolved to the east of Europe they show the maximum diversity not in the centre of their range but at the eastern edge, and in Iran what traces there are and in India there is almost no diversity at all in those that are part of this racial group. That is just not how any species or race of plant animals or any life develops. One would expect to see maximum diversity in the center of its range.

How could it be our history would show we moved from the centre and somehow on the way we became more German?



You can take any map of European blood types and rather than looking as though we came from the south or east they have this strange distribution pattern showing the strongest results around the north sea and fade to the east as though we evolved on the edge of Europe and expanded east rather than coming from it.

But we know during the ice ages this edge of the land of Europe was covered in Ice. Until we find what is being uncovered



During the Ice age when what is now the land of Europe was covered in Ice the sea level was far lower and created the huge fertile land, separated from the rest of the world, a perfect environment for a race of people to evolve.
And as the ice melted the sea rose and the folk of that land would spread from it, now look back at the blood type distributions in Europe and we can see they exactly fit with this.

The thing is that all the earliest texts also fit with this, for instance the Sanskrit texts of the origin of the Brahman say not that they came from the west Iran but from the north. a land surrounded by ice. Think of myths of Thule and Atlantis.

If we think of a people expanding westward they are going to encounter new environments and if they are an inventive people which I think we are they are going to invent new ways of tackling those difficulties, which could go a long way to explain the invention of agriculture etc. It would also fit the main part of European diversity is here on the western edge of Europe while less and less of the group needed to travel east so naturally became less diverse.
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Were the Ancient Brits of eastern England Teutonic? 01 May 2017 18:54 #12

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If these Teutons didn't come from the east or the darkie-filled south, where did they come from? You can try and differentiate all you want, but we're all cousins at some remove or other.*




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I read somewhere that the term Celts only came into being in the 17th century and the term for natives was Britons.

Then we have the term Keltoi by the Greeks to explain these tall white warrior people, who I think went out into Europe and not the other way around, I think we are much older than we are being led to believe.
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"The Celts" (Milesians) arrived in the Isles in the fourth century BC, from Spain via Ireland.
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Is that the return journey where they were pushed out during the ice age ?
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"The Celts" (Milesians) arrived in the Isles in the fourth century BC, from Spain via Ireland.

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In the age previous to this one the rulers of the time ruled by a system of 'Ring Lands' as we would refer to them. From the top of the world down they mapped it by sea and came out from the pole to 250 miles and navigated the globe to form the first ring. Within that first ring were the inner people and these people had fair skin and red hair or blond hair and blue eyes they say. All the old statues depicted blue eyes even in Easter Island or Rapa Nui as I prefer to call it. There were over 2000 ring lands and each continent had a ring land also. This continent ring land was 60 miles in diameter. This 60 mile zone was the inner ring people zone which is why on all continents up until historic times had indigenous tribes producing blond haired or red haired and/or blue and green eyed people in their tribes. The Mandan in the USA, the Red Beard people in China, Indigenous tribes like the Aboriginal peoples still produce a high number of dark skinned family members with blond hair also and this was seen in Egypt in Africa, Lumeria and Atlantis due to the system of rule going on. Further proof is that all these blond haired remnants are found in the geographic center of the continents in each case. Darker haired brown eyed people lived in the outer ring area only and did not mingle in the inner ring zones.

On the globe they came down from the top and each ring had a capitol city that started with "HEL" Hel which was later changed to Helsinki, Helvatsia, Helena, and so on down the globe. When the cataclysm struck those peoples coming to the Spain, the French Alps where they formed the Basque people, the Gaelic survivors going to Ireland and so on all are related to each other. The DNA proves they are the same family actually. They all have the same red hair gene and blue eyes also.
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X-MAN-J wrote:
In the age previous to this one the rulers of the time ruled by a system of 'Ring Lands' as we would refer to them. From the top of the world down they mapped it by sea and came out from the pole to 250 miles and navigated the globe to form the first ring. Within that first ring were the inner people and these people had fair skin and red hair or blond hair and blue eyes they say. All the old statues depicted blue eyes even in Easter Island or Rapa Nui as I prefer to call it. There were over 2000 ring lands and each continent had a ring land also. This continent ring land was 60 miles in diameter. This 60 mile zone was the inner ring people zone which is why on all continents up until historic times had indigenous tribes producing blond haired or red haired and/or blue and green eyed people in their tribes. The Mandan in the USA, the Red Beard people in China, Indigenous tribes like the Aboriginal peoples still produce a high number of dark skinned family members with blond hair also and this was seen in Egypt in Africa, Lumeria and Atlantis due to the system of rule going on. Further proof is that all these blond haired remnants are found in the geographic center of the continents in each case. Darker haired brown eyed people lived in the outer ring area only and did not mingle in the inner ring zones.

On the globe they came down from the top and each ring had a capitol city that started with "HEL" Hel which was later changed to Helsinki, Helvatsia, Helena, and so on down the globe. When the cataclysm struck those peoples coming to the Spain, the French Alps where they formed the Basque people, the Gaelic survivors going to Ireland and so on all are related to each other. The DNA proves they are the same family actually. They all have the same red hair gene and blue eyes also.

where are you getting this information? genuine question. I wish red hair was a dominant gene (especially for females) :)


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Voltaire wrote:
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In the age previous to this one the rulers of the time ruled by a system of 'Ring Lands' as we would refer to them. From the top of the world down they mapped it by sea and came out from the pole to 250 miles and navigated the globe to form the first ring. Within that first ring were the inner people and these people had fair skin and red hair or blond hair and blue eyes they say. All the old statues depicted blue eyes even in Easter Island or Rapa Nui as I prefer to call it. There were over 2000 ring lands and each continent had a ring land also. This continent ring land was 60 miles in diameter. This 60 mile zone was the inner ring people zone which is why on all continents up until historic times had indigenous tribes producing blond haired or red haired and/or blue and green eyed people in their tribes. The Mandan in the USA, the Red Beard people in China, Indigenous tribes like the Aboriginal peoples still produce a high number of dark skinned family members with blond hair also and this was seen in Egypt in Africa, Lumeria and Atlantis due to the system of rule going on. Further proof is that all these blond haired remnants are found in the geographic center of the continents in each case. Darker haired brown eyed people lived in the outer ring area only and did not mingle in the inner ring zones.

On the globe they came down from the top and each ring had a capitol city that started with "HEL" Hel which was later changed to Helsinki, Helvatsia, Helena, and so on down the globe. When the cataclysm struck those peoples coming to the Spain, the French Alps where they formed the Basque people, the Gaelic survivors going to Ireland and so on all are related to each other. The DNA proves they are the same family actually. They all have the same red hair gene and blue eyes also.

where are you getting this information? genuine question. I wish red hair was a dominant gene (especially for females) :)

I never knew who my biological father was and took part in the DNA project to learn more about myself and my paternal side. As it turns out I was descended from royals on that side and some of them contacted me through the project after which started a dialogue that led to their sharing this and more.

Tolkien touched on this with the Lord of the Rings and "One Ring that 'rules them all" which was true as the top of the world at that top ring was the king of the world and the Elven class or Engle, Angle, which English translates as "Angel Man" basically in the old language.

In the royal clan history the races are divided differently also. There were ten races which went as follows. Not necessarily in any order.
Aztec was a race
Maya another race
Inca was yet another
South African or the Blue People were another
Romans another
Greek another
Hindu yet another
Peking man
Aboriginal man
and last but not least
Hawaiian man.

These were the ten races.

In their history after the cataclysm two children from the royal race or inner earth people went against the rules and re-seeded people of the north as the legends of 'WE TWO KINGS' and more describe. Sven was the father to many of the golden hairs of the Swede and Swiss heritage taking over Helvatsia and Dan the father of the Danes settling in Helios but before that he was the one leading to Viking legends
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I can think of no evidence at all that would support those claims. It might be confusing if two wildly different theories continue on the same thread. It might be good if you X-MAN-J developed your argument in a thread on its own where it could be examined without any confusion, and you could clearly state your reasoning.
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