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TOPIC: Were the Ancient Brits of eastern England Teutonic?

Were the Ancient Brits of eastern England Teutonic? 12 May 2017 12:06 #81

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Europeans are a lovely diverse race.
with a common inheritance.

And less war like than a lot of other races,if you understood history.
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Were the Ancient Brits of eastern England Teutonic? 12 May 2017 12:18 #82

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I do understand history and I know that these isles and the mainland are replete with tales of family fighting against family, all the way from so-called royals down to the peasants. We don't need outside influences to find reasons to fight each other... we're only human after all.
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Were the Ancient Brits of eastern England Teutonic? 12 May 2017 12:42 #83

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ragnarok wrote:
You speak of Europeans as if they are a homogenous whole with no inner division, when anybody who has studied a little history can see that we don't need communist or muslim ithreats to find reasons to kill each other.

So we are agreed then,
we don't need communist or muslim ithreats to find reasons to kill each other
So lets do without those nasty things.
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Were the Ancient Brits of eastern England Teutonic? 12 May 2017 13:03 #84

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jonb wrote:
Europeans are a lovely diverse race.
with a common inheritance.

And less war like than a lot of other races,if you understood history.

Before religions the inter tribal conflicts were for resources and survival via theft of another's food and land bearing crops.

Today it's sheer greed and want for control over those who create the very things we need for survival.

Eventually people will be in the same position as our early forefathers.
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Were the Ancient Brits of eastern England Teutonic? 12 May 2017 13:07 #85

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jonb wrote:
ragnarok wrote:
You speak of Europeans as if they are a homogenous whole with no inner division, when anybody who has studied a little history can see that we don't need communist or muslim ithreats to find reasons to kill each other.

So we are agreed then,
we don't need communist or muslim ithreats to find reasons to kill each other
So lets do without those nasty things.

It's you and your insecure buddies who are threatened by communists and muslims. The rest of us, not so much.
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Were the Ancient Brits of eastern England Teutonic? 16 May 2017 13:05 #86

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Were the Ancient Brits of eastern England Teutonic? 16 May 2017 13:21 #87

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Were the Ancient Brits of eastern England Teutonic? 16 May 2017 15:36 #88

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jonb wrote:
Europeans are a lovely diverse race.
with a common inheritance.

And less war like than a lot of other races,if you understood history.

You a fan of the EU then Jon?
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Were the Ancient Brits of eastern England Teutonic? 16 May 2017 16:35 #89

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Don't you even know there is a difference between a people and the government imposed on them?
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Were the Ancient Brits of eastern England Teutonic? 16 May 2017 16:58 #90

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jonb wrote:
Don't you even know there is a difference between a people and the government imposed on them?

Do you always answer a question with another question?
EU mate.
Good thing?
Bad thing?
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Were the Ancient Brits of eastern England Teutonic? 16 May 2017 17:53 #91

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The EU is a political organisation I am against it.
Europeans are a race of which I am a part.
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Were the Ancient Brits of eastern England Teutonic? 16 May 2017 18:42 #92

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jonb wrote:

Interesting. But I would like him to expand on his statement thet "they do not want us to know that we are neanderthals".Why? Also there is also a theory that askhenazim are neanderthals - Have you come across that one. Someone got banned on a forum for posting that statement.


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Were the Ancient Brits of eastern England Teutonic? 16 May 2017 19:18 #93

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Voltaire wrote:

Interesting. But I would like him to expand on his statement thet "they do not want us to know that we are neanderthals".Why? Also there is also a theory that askhenazim are neanderthals - Have you come across that one. Someone got banned on a forum for posting that statement.

Firstly, the connection of Europeans to neanderthals has been known for a long time, but for at least the last twenty years this information has been very much suppressed in the media, because it seems to cut across the out of Africa theorem pushed by those behind globalisation. That propaganda is only now starting to be swept aside.

The second part of your question
Neanderthals had been developing in Europe and Asia for 500 thousand years, that is far older than any finds of modern man in Africa.
We know in the East Neanderthals mixed with Denisovans. When academics talk about test on Europeans having neanderthal DNA, the DNA used comes from a Denisovan Neanderthal mix, not from the DNA that Neanderthals that would have lived in Europe would have had.
This of course twists the results, and is covered over with a presumption that all Neanderthals were the same, a homogeneous group.
However the ice ages would have separated the neanderthals into distinct separate groups. Probably in western Europe, around the Black sea area, and the far east. And because of the separation it is highly probable that the neanderthals of these areas would be quite distinct racially.

I do not know anything about the askhenazim theories, as that would be about a none European group I have not closely studied, whatever I said would be largely speculation. But it would be consistent to say whoever they are they would not be composed of a western European mix.
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Were the Ancient Brits of eastern England Teutonic? 16 May 2017 23:55 #94

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Voltaire wrote:
jonb wrote:

Interesting. But I would like him to expand on his statement thet "they do not want us to know that we are neanderthals".Why? Also there is also a theory that askhenazim are neanderthals - Have you come across that one. Someone got banned on a forum for posting that statement.

It is interesting, and seems to make sense. I had not heard of this line of reasoning before but it resonates. As jonb said, contemporary (state sponsored) scientists support the out of africa theory so if there is information that shows europeans developed locally, ie are natives, they might want to play it down or cover it up as best as they can.

If europeans truly felt native it might make the globalists kalergi agenda more difficult, the population replacement agenda might meet more resistance, or at least those behind it might think this to be the case and attempt to downplay it.

The neanderthal-ashkenazi theory weve seen about the place yes, im quite sure theres a thread here on TZ somewhere about it. I suppose this is in conflict to what varg is saying above there.
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Were the Ancient Brits of eastern England Teutonic? 17 May 2017 02:40 #95

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I don't think what Varg is saying is in conflict with the neanderthal-ashkenazi theory. He is saying that the denesovan neanderthal DNA which is used by western academics in tests on modern humans is not the DNA European neanderthals would have had, it is the DNA of a separate group of neanderthals, These groups of neanderthals could well have been separate groups for as long time period as neanderthals and African groups of humans.
Thus you could well have European neanderthals, and unconnected an entirely different neanderthal-ashkenazi group developing entirely separately.

The reason why the globalists had to give up on the out of Africa theory as it was originally, was that Chinese geneticists have known for a long time (about 50 years I think?) the Chinese racial group have strong denesovan links and the Chinese are very proud of their difference from the rest of humanity. As evidence built up it became impossible for western academics pushing the globalist line to maintain that propaganda when dealing with Chinese academics. So inch by inch the out of Africa theory pushed by the UN has had to be given up on.
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Were the Ancient Brits of eastern England Teutonic? 17 May 2017 05:57 #96

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If what you propose is true, then where did the Neanderthals come from? If they didn't evolve out of Homo erectus in Africa, where are the ancestral fossil hominids for Neanderthals then?

And did Australian aborigines evolve out of Australian hominids (also there; where are the fossils?) or did they come from Africa, via SE Asia?
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Were the Ancient Brits of eastern England Teutonic? 17 May 2017 12:42 #97

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My contention is that we Europeans are substantially neanderthal in origin, but there is a little mixing with other races of Human.
The current academic line is that we are substantially of a line of 'modern humans' that moved out of Africa about 90 to 70 thousand years ago, and there was a little mixing with other races (species of Human) that were already in these places.

Neanderthals and other groups of humans like the denesovans evolved outside of Africa, So an early form of human left Africa, and outside of Africa that group evolved into what we would call neanderthal. There is no disagreement on this and it can all be found in the fossil record.
For instance
Oldest evidence for humans in Britain.
The earliest human footprints outside Africa

In May 2013 a team of scientists led by the British Museum, Natural History Museum and Queen Mary University of London discovered a series of footprints left by early humans in ancient estuary muds over 800,000 years ago at Happisburgh in Norfolk.
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400,000-year-old fossil human cranium is oldest ever found in Portugal
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Were the Ancient Brits of eastern England Teutonic? 17 May 2017 12:54 #98

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Forgive my lack of science knowledge - but why couldnt hominids have existed globally. There is a thread here on evolution which has gone quiet but there were questions on whether evolution is a real process anyway that is something else. Why does humanity as (homo sapiens) have to come out of africa (russian science disbelieves that theory also. Is it because early remains are found only in Africa?


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jonb wrote:
I don't think what Varg is saying is in conflict with the neanderthal-ashkenazi theory. He is saying that the denesovan neanderthal DNA which is used by western academics in tests on modern humans is not the DNA European neanderthals would have had, it is the DNA of a separate group of neanderthals, These groups of neanderthals could well have been separate groups for as long time period as neanderthals and African groups of humans.
Thus you could well have European neanderthals, and unconnected an entirely different neanderthal-ashkenazi group developing entirely separately.

Fair enough, but i was speaking specifically about a theory thats been doing the 'truther' rounds that ashkenazi are actually neanderthals masquerading as homo sapiens, and white people are homo sapiens.. what you are proposing above is something different obviously. And i think your contention is quite plausible by the way.
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Were the Ancient Brits of eastern England Teutonic? 17 May 2017 13:47 #100

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Manipulation of the evidence by the academic world.
Please look at this from wiki
Anatomically modern human
The term anatomically modern humans[1] (AMH) or anatomically modern Homo sapiens[2] (AMHS) refers in paleoanthropology to individual members of the species Homo sapiens with an appearance consistent with the range of phenotypes in modern humans.
Anatomically modern humans evolved from archaic humans in the Middle Paleolithic, about 200,000 years ago.[3] The emergence of anatomically modern human marks the dawn of the species Homo sapiens,[4] i.e. the species of Homo sapiens to which all humans alive today belong. The oldest fossil remains of anatomically modern humans are the Omo remains found in modern-day East Africa, which date to 195,000 years ago and include two partial skulls as well as arm, leg, foot and pelvis bones.[5][6][7] Other fossils include the proposed Homo sapiens idaltu from Herto in Ethiopia that are almost 160,000 years old[8] and the Skhul hominids from Israel, which are 90,000 years old.[9] The oldest human remains from which an entire genome has been extracted belongs to Ust'-Ishim man, who lived about 45,000 years ago in Western Siberia.[10]
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I am going to take this entry apart in an endeavour to depict the manipulation.
First the term 'Modern Human' all other fossil evidence is named after the place where the bones were found, or given a similar definition so we can place it in the record and see the similarity to, or difference from that particular find.
So by calling the Omo remains modern Human, it automatically becomes difficult to categorise similarities, and differences from those original fossils that modern humans have.
We can say a modern European has a different chin to a neanderthal, but the sentence. A modern European has a different shaped skull from a modern human. makes the second sentence seem to be nonsensical. Just because of the terminology it becomes difficult to argue against the propaganda.They control the words so they can control the argument.
Modern humans oldest find 195,000 years ago, so modern Africans were living in Africa estimated from the record 200,000 thousand years ago. Now look back at finds in Europe, the neanderthals have provable roots going back 814,000 years (in Britain*), six hundred thousand years older than modern man even existed. It is conceded that Europeans have neanderthal DNA, so my DNA has a connection to Europe six hundred thousand years older than there have been modern humans, yet the line is pushed Europeans are not indigenous to Europe! You would be very hard pressed to find anywhere a people that are more indigenous to their land than Europeans are.

Now look at the date and places where DNA is taken that proves what is modern human
Oldest record 195,000 years no DNA extracted
Homo sapiens idaltu from Herto in Ethiopia that are almost 160,000 years old, This proposed categorisation is because these fossils depart a lot from we modern humans, but is considered modern human, see the problems with the terminology they use, it is as clear as mud, and in my view deliberately so.
Skhul hominids from Israel, which are 90,000 years old, from a place where there was a presence of Neanderthals from the central Asian group, and we know there was mixing, so any DNA from this group would in all probability already have neanderthal DNA in it.
The oldest human remains from which an entire genome has been extracted belongs to Ust'-Ishim man, who lived about 45,000 years ago in Western Siberia. In this area an at that time we know Neanderthals an modern humans had been mixing for some 45,000 years, How could that DNA be used to prove anything?

The only thing this wiki presentation can be used for is to show how the evidence is being manipulated.

*a latter edit for clarity.
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