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TOPIC: (Excerpts of) The ''Black Sun'' Or Schwarze Sonne Its Real Meaning And True Origin?

The ''Black Sun'' Or Schwarze Sonne Its Real Meaning And True Origin? 19 Apr 2016 10:36 #1

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ragnarok wrote:
Still just a word salad from where I'm sat. Surely that can't be the only way to say whatever it is they were trying to say? How does salvation have a life? Is the light that has had a victory not the same light that comes from the sun, say, or is it a code word for some other property?

It's an interesting image to have on one's living room wall for sure.
There's quite a bit about it in Mosse's excellent book 'Sexuality and German Fascism'...
Scroll up from this page.... Or down for lasses in swimsuits doing gymnastics. That was supposed to be gettingnin rouch with your ancient Nord in some way.
IMo it was lasses in swimsuits waving their arms about for the general amusement of the late 1930s German male populace - but that's just me.
No way did those German lads ENJOY looking at lasses in swim suits. They were surely above such fripperies.
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books.google.co.uk/books?id=sqjpCAAAQBAJ&pg=PA196&lpg=PA196&dq=the+victory+of+light+is+the+life+of+salvation+in+German+art&source=bl&ots=QUiHcFrZTO&si...German%20art&f=false
The Nazis were quite good at bolting some of their doings onto ancient Nordic mythos.
Check out that 'Myth of Aryan Womanhood' trope online
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The ''Black Sun'' Or Schwarze Sonne Its Real Meaning And True Origin? 19 Apr 2016 10:46 #2

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PFIZIPFEI wrote:
GMP wrote:
Better English would have it as....
"The victory of light is the life of salvation."
Thus
"The life of salvation is the victory of light."


No.

These are misinterpretations, although it may sound better in the ears of English speaking persons.

Seriously.. That first sentence is the English translation direct.
The second sentence says exactly the same thing by extrapolation.
If A= B
Then
B=A
Have you seen Mosse's paper in that book I linked to?
It looks at the Black Sun mythos, imagery and initiatives in some depth.
The Strength through Joy movement was a Black Sun initiative.
Wandervogel was as well - in its later but still pre-Hitler Youth form.
'Sexuality and German Fascism' is an interesting book, originally published in German and edited by Dagmar Herzog it consists of a series of studies into Nazi myth, symbolism and their relationship to Fascist Sexuality-
( Which was quite 'camp' in some respects apparently).
English edition here...
www.amazon.co.uk/Sexuality-German-Fascism-D-Herzog/dp/1571815511/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1461059349&sr=1-1&keywords=sexuality+and+german+fascism


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The ''Black Sun'' Or Schwarze Sonne Its Real Meaning And True Origin? 19 Apr 2016 11:09 #3

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My links were for general information.
Anyone interested in Nazi Sexuality and Mythos will be able to access those useful texts either in the English edition or the German original.
:)
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The ''Black Sun'' Or Schwarze Sonne Its Real Meaning And True Origin? 19 Apr 2016 11:29 #4

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PFIZIPFEI wrote:
GMP wrote:
My links were for general information.
Anyone interested in Nazi Sexuality and Mythos will be able to access those useful texts either in the English edition or the German original.
:)


There has already been thrown enough filth on the Germans and I don't think Zorro will tolerate typical disinfo and hate propaganda on this thread.

I definitely wouldn't.


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Might there not be a certain irony should my link to a book be 'destroyed' by moderation?
We shall see.
Here it is again.
'Sexuality and German Fascism' edited by Dagmar Herzog.
The summary alone is well worth reading.
www.amazon.co.uk/Sexuality-German-Fascism-D-Herzog/dp/1571815511/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1461061371&sr=1-1&keywords=sexuality+and+german+fascism
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The ''Black Sun'' Or Schwarze Sonne Its Real Meaning And True Origin? 19 Apr 2016 13:11 #5

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Is the suggestion being made that the Nazi symbology was so important that they probably wouldn't have achieved their fanatical support if they'd had a different symbol on their banners, or a different colour scheme?

What was more important to the impressive rise of the Nazi's, the ranty fella who looked like he'd blow away in a strong gust of wind, or the design of the flags and uniforms?
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The ''Black Sun'' Or Schwarze Sonne Its Real Meaning And True Origin? 19 Apr 2016 13:22 #6

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ragnarok wrote:
Is the suggestion being made that the Nazi symbology was so important that they probably wouldn't have achieved their fanatical support if they'd had a different symbol on their banners, or a different colour scheme?

What was more important to the impressive rise of the Nazi's, the ranty fella who looked like he'd blow away in a strong gust of wind, or the design of the flags and uniforms?

Not as such.
That book I linked to examines why the Nazis used the Black Sun symbol and reinteroreted some of the Black Sun mythos to suit their own ends.
They were looking for some Aryan/German rallying logos that peeps could idenrify with and be proud of as 'part of their heritage'.
There's a lot more to otbthan that though.
Round these various symbols they set up groups for different activities.
Wanderbogel was one ( bit like a Nazi Youth Hosteling Association).
Strength through Joy was another ( young lasses in cozzies doing keep fit often with large balls).
A symbol means what the user says it means to those who buy into that user's explanation.
In and of themself, without interoretation, symbols mean nothing at all.
There's a lot about sex in with that Fascist Black Sun mythos as well in the book.
The gist of it being that symbols are potent but 'sex sells'.
There's a lonk to the book on the Free Speech thread and the review on that is worth reading.
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The ''Black Sun'' Or Schwarze Sonne Its Real Meaning And True Origin? 16 Oct 2016 12:11 #7

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But you will not find opposing views in any of the main threads.
That is Verbotten.
The Gestapo Gang can post in both threads,but any posts opposing their views in the mian forum get excerpted,which really doesn't matter anymore.The Germanification was completed earlier this year.
But just know that the Frau will follow anyone around the entire place if you fail to goosestep to her will.
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The ''Black Sun'' Or Schwarze Sonne Its Real Meaning And True Origin? 16 Oct 2016 13:08 #8

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zax wrote:
But you will not find opposing views in any of the main threads.
That is Verbotten.
The Gestapo Gang can post in both threads,but any posts opposing their views in the mian forum get excerpted,which really doesn't matter anymore.The Germanification was completed earlier this year.
But just know that the Frau will follow anyone around the entire place if you fail to goosestep to her will.



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