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(excerpts Of) The War On Free Speech 30 Dec 2016 02:46 #41

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I don't believe in "guilty by association". You and me are not Nazis only because the mainstream (!) of TruthZone appears like that. I think it is wise to take every individual post individually and the poster of it too. Too much of the same traits we hold against the Crazy Apes who smear people using that GBA strategy, rationally unfounded.

Dont't be afraid in my Sphere. I have zero tolerance for troll posts and autistic attacks that will be vented immediately.

Your sharp insights about Space Travel are also very much appreciated; I am busy with a lot of things at the same time, but that topic is still high on my radar, being the most """innocent""" of all hoaxes and yet the most existential one.

And indeed, Ze NSBaby isn't going anywhere. He seems in love with me; after ignoring his stupidity for almost a week now, he still continues to try to lure me into his quick sand box. The frustrated fascist must have a very empty life, lean in empathy, engagement of even his wife and his friends. Poor guy. Like the other Nazi lovers are too, Lizzy, Steven and Voltaire excepted.
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(excerpts Of) The War On Free Speech 30 Dec 2016 08:15 #42

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Oh yes,I concur.There are several members that are fond of the shackles of socialism and fascism that are not part of the hardcore Third Recihers clique.Differing views are good for lively discussions.But that small number of Gestapo Gang Members is what creates a repulsive atmosphere where these other sections are necessary to attempt long-running and interesting threads.But as we have seen it does not matter if rational members distance themselves from them and post in other sections.The smear campaigns will kick into high gear until something is done to stifle the free flow of discourse.If you and i and perhaps four other members here that I am thinking of offhand were to get threads going in your forum,you would be spending most of your time venting the disruptive and off topic posts.Now,I'm sure you have the patience for doing so,but what then takes place is a flurry of threads that will be on the "unfairness" of your forum,and a feeling of being left out of the action.And that you are stepping out of line with the forum ethos,and that the members in your forum are not giiving a voice to the 1930s NS Cultists.The invite only thing was just an excuse for the control freaks to quash opposing views here.Yours being open will not be treated any differently.The Frau will catalogue our every word,and then crusade to have your forum shutdown.It will not be closed,but enough pressure will be put on Eddie to make so there is some sort of compromise for the Cultists.Which means we waste valuable time going down more thna one rabbit hole only to have the work trashed or muddled.

The little Sparkler is another "Goodbye Guy" like the Driftwood Captain.For all the whining about how some of us will slap them down,it is they that have the most threads aimed personally at individual members as well as the collective attack threads on non-cultists.Which is why the two threads that were memoryholed still stand today---- The Mask of Madness and Epic Meltdowns.Both showed what took place in the past,present,and even foreshadowed what is taking place now on this forum.

So the Member's Forums were a nice gesture,but only truly benefit the Cultists.They have those forums and the rest of the place to tinke on and drop V1 and V2 turd bombs on dissenting views and members.

On space travel....that is very interesting of a topic.Going back to the early 20th Century after some 18th and 19th Century predictive Programming groundwork,the mindbombs were laid down,and then the Babalon[Babylon] Working of Parsons,and Hubbard,and the creation of NASA.From that point on it gets better.The Nine and so on.Was getting there in an intentional point by point historical fashion at the other place but wound up spending too much time battling disruptors,Had plans here,and Frog and Novum were very gracious,accomodating,helpful,and welcoming to me and another guy.But the few friends I tried to get here just saw too much dissaray and Third Recih shit they viewed as zionist-controlled opposition and psychological warfare.So that ended,although I did do a thread in the space section here.

But it is what is is here,and I'm not complaining.I just decided to post in a few lessly trolled areas of the forum.

Not saying I am adverse to posting in your forum,just waiting for this latest shit to blowover.

42 hours and the Black Sun Sparkling Flare is leaving to mow the lawn at the new greener pastures forum.
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(excerpts Of) The War On Free Speech 01 Jan 2017 01:28 #43

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(excerpts Of) The War On Free Speech 01 Jan 2017 11:22 #44

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(excerpts Of) The War On Free Speech 01 Jan 2017 11:26 #45

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The Origins of Political Correctness


www.academia.org/the-origins-of-political-correctness/
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(excerpts Of) The War On Free Speech 01 Jan 2017 14:16 #46

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zax wrote:

The CIA funded that cartoon and it even has an end-credit to that effect.
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(excerpts Of) The War On Free Speech 01 Jan 2017 16:14 #47

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The thing Guessed is missing about the Gestapo Gang is not that anyone is saying not to have threads on Uncle Adolph or Jews,but rather the psychological warfare used by them using the Jew,Hasbara agent shil and troll schtick to dissuade dissenting views or bait members into fights.
So one can be free to engage and get threads derailed and gangbanged or not.Never was about asking for safe space or heavy moderation,but for the domineering Third Recih NS horsehit not to be the official or unoffical position[tacit approval by turning a blind eye to the hooknosed spam and Jew Hasbara Schtick] of TZ.And by glossing over the gangbanging and same pics spamming whenever anyone does decide to post in the main forum and pages upon pages of that is seen by everyone,

[applause]
Finally, fucking finally, someone actually puts it to words instead of dancing around and making it about the Jews, the forum or for the children!
[/applause]

The whole free speech thing is a bitch.
They get their say, you get yours, they try (apparently successfully) to diminish your response by making fun of you and categorizing you and you fall for it again and again. It always starts the same way and it always ends the same way.

I agree, the owners should be concerned and they probably are. If this site gets the reputation of NAZI enclave eventually all it will have is pro-ns viewers and readers. In other words they'll be preaching to the choir. Kinda no point in it for them then, is there?
On the other hand, whatever "rules" or enforceable "guidelines" that you advocate for will be applied to you too.
It appears to me that one or more of the moderators are pro ns. Those are the people who will be enforcing the rules.
Short version: [shakes head] You are asking the NAZIs to regulate you.[/shakes head]
Lot of short sighted thinkin' 'round here.

I made my suggestion. When the shitfest starts I believe it should be removed from the public eye because it says nothing, proves nothing and will result in nothing but showing your ass to the world.

I'm gonna hang around just to see if and how it gets resolved.
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(excerpts Of) The War On Free Speech 01 Jan 2017 16:49 #48

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^ To be frank, some of us feel that the reason that the guidelines are not upheld is because there are parts that would stop the Gestapo Gang from doing what they do, in other words if the guidelines were upheld the Gestapo Gang would have been fucked off years ago.

It's mainly (pretty much only) that reason why posters want them enforced, because the Gestapo Gang and one or two other posters (namely Gaia) are flaunting the ''self moderation'' (lack of centralised moderation) for their own means.

It's quite ironic that Flare, Asia teacher et al ask for the guidelines to have been upheld, when it's Pfiz, Oranageaid, Zorro et al that are constantly breaching them with their hate speech that comes with the NS agenda.

But in reality all Flare and Asia Teacher wanted, was not the guidelines upheld, but for Gaia, I AM ALL I AM, and one or two others to be banned.

The Gestapo Gang don't seem to realise that the forum home page message, nor the forum guidelines, are compatible with National Socialism.

It's why during our other discussion I brought up the scenario of the ''Jew'' simply to show them that the guidelines that they want would not suit them, they are better off ''self moderating'' but they talk about the guidelines because they want a few posters banned, but they don't want to discuss the guideline that I quoted regarding the forum not '' tolerating hate speak about , religion, race'' etc, because that suits them not.

They only want to have the guidelines upheld that suits them, it's why I was posting ''yes let's have the guidelines upheld'' because they would if they were upheld put an end to the Gestapo Gang's antics.

That might seem a bit deep or something, but that's it as far as I am concerned in a rather large nutshell.

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those are the people who will be enforcing the rules.
Short version: [shakes head] You are asking the NAZIs to regulate you

But they already are, but rather than using the guidelines, they just make their own shit up to regulate us with.

The guidelines if properly upheld would put a halt to their agenda, you can't be a National Socialist and ''all inclusive'' at the same time, it;s an oxymoron for the forum to have their cult here domineering the boards with a censoring NS shill mod taboot.
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(excerpts Of) The War On Free Speech 01 Jan 2017 17:46 #49

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Would you, could you be unbiased?
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(excerpts Of) The War On Free Speech 01 Jan 2017 18:23 #50

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Guessed wrote:
Would you, could you be unbiased?

So your saying a mod can now be biased? :larf:
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(excerpts Of) The War On Free Speech 01 Jan 2017 18:31 #51

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Would you, could you be unbiased?

So your saying a mod can now be biased? :larf:

Actually I asked a question?
Care to answer it?
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(excerpts Of) The War On Free Speech 01 Jan 2017 23:36 #52

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Guessed wrote:
Would you, could you be unbiased?


I would just uphold the guidelines in a systematic manner, posters would still self moderate by choosing to breach.not breach the guidelines.

I don't want to be a mod here though, I would not mod a forum anywhere without using the guidelines.
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(excerpts Of) The War On Free Speech 02 Jan 2017 03:06 #53

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Guessed wrote:
zax wrote:
The thing Guessed is missing about the Gestapo Gang is not that anyone is saying not to have threads on Uncle Adolph or Jews,but rather the psychological warfare used by them using the Jew,Hasbara agent shil and troll schtick to dissuade dissenting views or bait members into fights.
So one can be free to engage and get threads derailed and gangbanged or not.Never was about asking for safe space or heavy moderation,but for the domineering Third Recih NS horsehit not to be the official or unoffical position[tacit approval by turning a blind eye to the hooknosed spam and Jew Hasbara Schtick] of TZ.And by glossing over the gangbanging and same pics spamming whenever anyone does decide to post in the main forum and pages upon pages of that is seen by everyone,

[applause]
Finally, fucking finally, someone actually puts it to words instead of dancing around and making it about the Jews, the forum or for the children!
[/applause]

The whole free speech thing is a bitch.
They get their say, you get yours, they try (apparently successfully) to diminish your response by making fun of you and categorizing you and you fall for it again and again. It always starts the same way and it always ends the same way.

I agree, the owners should be concerned and they probably are. If this site gets the reputation of NAZI enclave eventually all it will have is pro-ns viewers and readers. In other words they'll be preaching to the choir. Kinda no point in it for them then, is there?
On the other hand, whatever "rules" or enforceable "guidelines" that you advocate for will be applied to you too.
It appears to me that one or more of the moderators are pro ns. Those are the people who will be enforcing the rules.
Short version: [shakes head] You are asking the NAZIs to regulate you.[/shakes head]
Lot of short sighted thinkin' 'round here.

I made my suggestion. When the shitfest starts I believe it should be removed from the public eye because it says nothing, proves nothing and will result in nothing but showing your ass to the world.

I'm gonna hang around just to see if and how it gets resolved.

The Third Recih NS domination of the forum has been around since the first year,and the discussions about it ongoing.It's just that each time,everyone is told it is not endorsed ,but an all inclusive forum.Some made demands and then left or went voluntarily inactive when nothing was done.But in the past two years the call for bans and ultimatums are coming form the NS side only.And what;s worse,is that very few non-NS members use the main forum because nothing is done to address the control freakish behavior and spamming and trolling of the Third Reich Gestapo Gang,and the fact that knowing all this...it was decided to add two pro-NS mods to the forum.So as noted by ausrotten in a post --in the trolled by the Gestapo Gang ok,here's the deal thread,--- the owners are anarchists and yet here we have Third Reich National Socialsts dominating the main forum and even running it.And that is indeed contrary to the guidelines of the forum.So that is why these discussions keep cropping up every few months.There is no logical answer given as to why this is allowed to take place,unless it is by design which thus far has never been admitted.And in that thread we see the Gestapo Gang spamming and trolling it like they always do and nothing is vented ,just dilution of the concerned member's posts on the topic at hand.It is incorrect to state that non-ns members keep falling for it again and again.The past year,members either left or decided to post outside of their threads.When making threads and the same thing happened,a thread would be made in the FAQ section to have Novum see what what was going on,and deal with it.Or in my case avoid the main forum altogether,and speak up when these NS games take place.What it comes down to is trying to get an answer as to why this has been allowed to go on for four years.The first couple of years it would be the fighting in threads in the main forum.But now it is about the Gestapo Gang seeking total control as they will go up and down the forum trying to derail any non-ns threads.The owners know it.So if it is something that is endorsed and an NS stamp of approval and Swastika is put on the top of the page it is no longer an issue.But the waffling and denial of the issue is why these threads on the Gestapo Gang and their tactics crops up all the time.
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(excerpts Of) The War On Free Speech 02 Jan 2017 17:10 #54

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Would you, could you be unbiased?


I would just uphold the guidelines in a systematic manner, posters would still self moderate by choosing to breach.not breach the guidelines.

I don't want to be a mod here though, I would not mod a forum anywhere without using the guidelines.

Nice self-endorsement but you didn't answer the question.
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Thank you for your comprehensive and coherent reply. No bullshit, no wordplay, just the facts, very refreshing.
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There is no logical answer given as to why this is allowed to take place,unless it is by design which thus far has never been admitted.

Lex parsimoniae

Let's say for a moment that this forum was actually designed for the national socialists to be able to discuss their political philosophy openly.
In order to do that they need people to read and respond to their ideas. In turn they are handed back the podium and they get to explain their philosophy. Being a newbie, not involved in the personality clashes, I contend that when the ad hominems begin the conversation ends.
So, if it was to be a platform for the ns it is not, has not been and will not be successful. Ultimately it will self-destruct.
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Guessed wrote:
Thank you for your comprehensive and coherent reply. No bullshit, no wordplay, just the facts, very refreshing.
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There is no logical answer given as to why this is allowed to take place,unless it is by design which thus far has never been admitted.

Lex parsimoniae

Let's say for a moment that this forum was actually designed for the national socialists to be able to discuss their political philosophy openly.
In order to do that they need people to read and respond to their ideas. In turn they are handed back the podium and they get to explain their philosophy. Being a newbie, not involved in the personality clashes, I contend that when the ad hominems begin the conversation ends.
So, if it was to be a platform for the ns it is not, has not been and will not be successful. Ultimately it will self-destruct.

Thanks for the reply and hypothetical scenario.

Now,I'd like you to read the entire post given in the other thread today --

truth-zone.net/forum/novum/68624-ok-heres-the-deal.html?start=820#246216

I'll only quote the part where what non-ns members are discussing that is not addressed because the question is not the one raised in the thread or in the past --
As for the NS question, this site was created so that ALL poltiical ideologies could be discussed, and we KNEW there would be supporters of NS among them. So to those who ask why is NS stuff here, well yes because we dont remove it. Just as we dont remove support for anarchy, libertarianism and more.

The NS question was not about why those views are allowed,but specifically why it is allowed to dominate the forum with a small clique,and why the gangbanging and spamming and trollling of threads for pages on end is allowed,and only dealt with after repeated pleas in the thread or in FAQ threads.It is not about calling for bans or restricting free speech or giving the Third Reich National Socialists a voice here.

Then the post goes on with the usual--if you don't like it,go elsewhere,instead of dealing head on with specific concerns.

The last part must be geared to the folks that have given ultimatums,although it is not specifically directed at the Gestapo Gang,thus leaving it thrown out at anyone voicing concerns over the issues here.

Not about safe places or ousting the Third Reichers or NS mods.It's been about the derailing of threads with Jew pic spam,and the Frau's dossiers and Hasbara and Jew schtick.The Jew pic and random videos by orange and flare in the other thread is not even brought up.

Every few months it is the same thing,and the same carte blanche responses of all inclusiveness and everyone to blame for derailed threads.
Never an acknowledgement of the blatant spam and troll by the same NS members,keeping the slant of the whole forum towards Third Recih National Socialism,with very,very little of that all inclusiveness to be seen in the main forum.
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There is only domination if you let that be. Pfizi is gone for a few days, there are 2 left.

Do you take those stupid jew pics seriously? Seriously? It only shows what a babies they are.

Why whining and not posting in all the interesting threads around? That I don't get. Then you let those fuckers win anyway, something the low losers really don't deserve...
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Guessed wrote:
Ausrotten wrote:
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Would you, could you be unbiased?


I would just uphold the guidelines in a systematic manner, posters would still self moderate by choosing to breach.not breach the guidelines.

I don't want to be a mod here though, I would not mod a forum anywhere without using the guidelines.

Nice self-endorsement but you didn't answer the question.

I am bias, everyone is bias, otherwise they'd see everything as equal.

It was not a self-endorsement, I thought you were referring to moderation when you asked if I could be unbiased, as I have stated that Zorro is a bias corrupt moderator. A moderator should only be bias towards rule breaches, not other posters opinions when ''modding'' posts, not wearing the mod hat and sanctioning posts for political reasons.

I.m unsure if you;re trying to goad me or not so I will give you the benefit of the doubt.
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Thank you for your comprehensive and coherent reply. No bullshit, no wordplay, just the facts, very refreshing.
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There is no logical answer given as to why this is allowed to take place,unless it is by design which thus far has never been admitted.

Lex parsimoniae

Let's say for a moment that this forum was actually designed for the national socialists to be able to discuss their political philosophy openly.
In order to do that they need people to read and respond to their ideas. In turn they are handed back the podium and they get to explain their philosophy. Being a newbie, not involved in the personality clashes, I contend that when the ad hominems begin the conversation ends.
So, if it was to be a platform for the ns it is not, has not been and will not be successful. Ultimately it will self-destruct.

See if this was a forum such as Stormfront forum which is a forum designed for white supremacy and incorporates much of the National Socialist stuff, then yeah, they could deem the views of others as trolling if they are constantly contrary to that forum ethos.

However this is not designed to be a white supremacy/white separatist/NS/NeoNazi/extreme right wing forum.

But the adolf boosters are that way, and because they harass, posters need to be well equipped to deal with them if they want to post on this forum, unless they already share suit NS views, they may decline to post, they may not want to be hounded and harassed, called a shill, liar, disinfo agent, hasbara, commie, Marxist, and have their posts spammed with Jew caricatures, and be called a fake truther/half truther etc etc etc...By a gang of oiks. It will surely put people off from joining or posting, thus we are left with a disproportionate amount of their ilk posting here as regular members, so they have sort of taken over.

Zax and I (and a few others) have brought this up time and again, it's not their forum but they have troll harassed many posters who have left, so now its mainly just their mob and a few other of ''us'' other members left.

This is why there is a disproportionate amount of old & new posters that are of the NS ilk, they won't get troll harassed and have a ready made gang, anyone else joining will either get trolled and leave, or have the means within themselves to deal with them, it's why new posters more often share their views than would usually be in a cross section of truth forums.

Zax and I identified at least a dozen regular posters that had left due to their harassment one of which was a good friend of DG one of the forum founders (deceased), the remaining admin always make excuses for them.

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But in the past two years the call for bans and ultimatums are coming form the NS side

Ever since DG passed away and the forum ownership changed hands, there was a mass leaving of posters about that time as the Third Reichers intensified their trolling. They took that opportunity to empower themselves and the admin stood by and let them do so....

Sorry to bring DG up again novum, but that's how it is.
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Thank you for your comprehensive and coherent reply. No bullshit, no wordplay, just the facts, very refreshing.
zax wrote:
There is no logical answer given as to why this is allowed to take place,unless it is by design which thus far has never been admitted.

Lex parsimoniae

Let's say for a moment that this forum was actually designed for the national socialists to be able to discuss their political philosophy openly.
In order to do that they need people to read and respond to their ideas. In turn they are handed back the podium and they get to explain their philosophy. Being a newbie, not involved in the personality clashes, I contend that when the ad hominems begin the conversation ends.
So, if it was to be a platform for the ns it is not, has not been and will not be successful. Ultimately it will self-destruct.

Thanks for the reply and hypothetical scenario.

Now,I'd like you to read the entire post given in the other thread today --

truth-zone.net/forum/novum/68624-ok-heres-the-deal.html?start=820#246216

I'll only quote the part where what non-ns members are discussing that is not addressed because the question is not the one raised in the thread or in the past --
As for the NS question, this site was created so that ALL poltiical ideologies could be discussed, and we KNEW there would be supporters of NS among them. So to those who ask why is NS stuff here, well yes because we dont remove it. Just as we dont remove support for anarchy, libertarianism and more.

The NS question was not about why those views are allowed,but specifically why it is allowed to dominate the forum with a small clique,and why the gangbanging and spamming and trollling of threads for pages on end is allowed,and only dealt with after repeated pleas in the thread or in FAQ threads.It is not about calling for bans or restricting free speech or giving the Third Reich National Socialists a voice here.

Then the post goes on with the usual--if you don't like it,go elsewhere,instead of dealing head on with specific concerns.

The last part must be geared to the folks that have given ultimatums,although it is not specifically directed at the Gestapo Gang,thus leaving it thrown out at anyone voicing concerns over the issues here.

Not about safe places or ousting the Third Reichers or NS mods.It's been about the derailing of threads with Jew pic spam,and the Frau's dossiers and Hasbara and Jew schtick.The Jew pic and random videos by orange and flare in the other thread is not even brought up.

Every few months it is the same thing,and the same carte blanche responses of all inclusiveness and everyone to blame for derailed threads.
Never an acknowledgement of the blatant spam and troll by the same NS members,keeping the slant of the whole forum towards Third Recih National Socialism,with very,very little of that all inclusiveness to be seen in the main forum.

Bump - good point, it's why I bumped this post past my own. I look forward to novum's reply.
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