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Zorro A Moderator Who Abuses His Entrusted Position? 11 May 2016 14:03 #21

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Did they only want to send the gypsies, homosexuals, mentally retarded and the disabled

Now is your chance to prove your research abilities.

go here alex.onb.ac.at/tab_dra.htm which is a record of german laws 1867-1945

and post laws passed 1933-45 (the NSDAP era) which mentions those groups.

other sources will suffice so long as the original source is verifiable.

oh, and homosexuality was illegal in Weimar prior to NSDAP government, and even illegal in UK until 1970.


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Zorro A Moderator Who Abuses His Entrusted Position? 11 May 2016 15:04 #22

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One of the propaganda movies produced by the Office of Racial Policy in the National Socialist Racial and Political Office.

The Hereditary Defective

In 1936 (other sources list the date as 1934), a 20-minute silent documentary film was first shown in Germany. Titled Erbkrank (loosely translated into English as The Hereditary Defective), it was presented as an educational film by the racial affairs branch of the National Socialist Party. The point of the film was clear: due to "Jewish liberal thinking", a desperate state of affairs had come into existence in which mentally ill and physically disabled children and adults were being cared for in "palatial" hospitals by the cream of the German medical profession while hard-working German families were forced to live in dire poverty. The years following World War One had left the economy of post-war Germany in tatters and the message that resources that should have gone to helping the German people rebuild were being wasted on genetic defectives fell on receptive ears.

The film presented statistics showing an alarming increase in the number of mentally ill and defectives. Jews, Blacks, and other genetically inferior populations were accused of aggravating the problem by spreading their inferior genes on to the next generation. Film clips detailing the costs of caring for these patients and the upkeep of the mental institutions that housed them were also included. Criminals were part of the problem as well. All such inferior traits were obviously inherited and the notion that environment played a role was due to an "ignoring of natural law". The upshot of the film was to convey a simple message: Something must be done. It was an effective film in many ways and it's message spread far beyond Germany's borders. Advocates of eugenics in other countries showed it as well prior to the outbreak of World War Two.

Films such as Erbkrank were part of an orchestrated campaign designed to dehumanize the mentally ill and other "subhumans". Preventing defectives from passing on their destructive genes was deemed to be part of the natural law that ensured that only the strong should survive: Darwinian selection at it's finest.
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Zorro A Moderator Who Abuses His Entrusted Position? 11 May 2016 15:22 #23

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Did they only want to send the gypsies, homosexuals, mentally retarded and the disabled to Palestine too, but someone got the orders wrong? If it was all the jews fault, why were they picking on these other vulnerable groups? It seems I'm not the only one who forgets things conveniently easily.

Gypsies a vulnerable group.. really? That's a fucking laugh. Mate, if you fuck with the Gypies down this way then they'll more than likely pay you a visit with baseball bats and sawn-off shot guns. Since when were Gypos and fucking pikeys ever victims! They'll fucking nick anything that isn't chained down or locked away at night, that's if you're unfortunate enough to live anywhere near them.. and luckily enough for me I don't. A good friend of mine who owns some land and lives out in the country has had some serious problems with pikeys though. The only deterrent to keep them off your land is dogs and guns. That's exactly the same reason why Germany slung their asses in labor camps btw. Their criminal nature.

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Zorro A Moderator Who Abuses His Entrusted Position? 11 May 2016 15:40 #24

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Dear Annabelle,

why are there no English subs to this film, do you think this is an objective text you posted,
thus you seem to agree with the contents, or rather an ADL-based propaganda pamphlet
and what was the reason that you omitted to post the link to the source?

What was the reason that you did not even post the video description?

A film made by the National Socialists during the Third Reich addressing the issue of the retarded and incurably mentally ill and how such persons drain scarce resources from society yet serve no purpose.

:dunno:

Your sources:

- drvitelli.typepad.com/providentia/2007/03/the_hereditary_.html
- en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erbkrank


Alternative sources:

- Hereditary diseases (Translation)
- Law for the prevention of hereditarily diseased offspring (Translation)


"We don't stand alone"

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Law for the prevention of hereditarily diseased offspring



Reich Law Gazette

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Zorro A Moderator Who Abuses His Entrusted Position? 11 May 2016 16:21 #25

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Why don't you comment on the contents of the film itself, as for why it doesn't have subtitles, I don't know why..it is just as it was as released, I wish it did have subtitles. Is every website that ends up having something of negativity to say in a quick topic search supposed to be presumed to be from the ADL?

In the following video is footage of National Socialist propaganda films on the mentally ill with subtitles (one can ignore the rest of it and the narrator if one likes and just watch the National Socialist film clips on the mentally ill with subtitles)

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Zorro A Moderator Who Abuses His Entrusted Position? 11 May 2016 16:31 #26

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You may have missed it and I don't know why you have to do a Cinta on this thread,
but we already discussed this subject and video on other, more suitable threads, not long ago.

e. g. there

truth-zone.net/forum/general-discussion/66973-this-is-national-socialism.html?start=40


This was my response to Cinta then:



PFIZIPFEI wrote:
I haven't watched this propaganda film yet, only skimmed it and read the video description:


A very rare film centered on the secret films of the Third Reich trying to convince the public and the Nazi party members on euthanasia having to to with the "T4" program. The killing of handicapped people. The most important aspect of the T4 program is the gas chambers created to murder, successful, and used to a larger capacity in the death camps later on.


And also a few of the comments:

It's disturbing this film is so hard to find because it is one of the works suggested by the UNITED STATES HOLOCAUST MEMORIAL MUSEUM ( www.ushmm.org/research/research-in-collections/search-the-collections/bibliography/nazi-propaganda )

I have been showing an edited version of this documentary which appeared on the Discovery Channel in 1991 to my World History high school students for well over twenty years. Thank you for posting this more complete version of the film which fills in many crucial gaps in the story. The prolific author, historian Michael Burleigh, who was writer and director of this film, won the British Film Institute Award for Archival Achievement for this Channel 4/Domino Films documentary Selling Murder: The Killing Films of the Third Reich. Burleigh also wrote the following related works: Death and Deliverance: Euthanasia in Germany 1900–1945 (Cambridge University Press, 1994); Ethics and Extermination: Reflections on Nazi Genocide (Cambridge University Press, 1997); Confronting the Nazi Past (St Martin's Press, 1995); The Third Reich: A New History (Macmillan, 2000); Earthly Powers: Religion and Politics in Europe from the French Revolution to the Great War (HarperCollins, 2005); Sacred Causes: Religion and Politics from the European Dictators to Al Qaeda (HarperCollins, 2006)


I'm confused, how did she narrowly escape? closing the door of the chamber?


What a bullshit of Zionist propaganda



Maybe I'll watch it, maybe not ... because I was fed livelong with this kind of propaganda
from kindergarten on and thus every second I spend on it is most probably wasted, especially
because someone like Cinta posted it and Gaia thanked her, which says it all already.




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feeling that it has a decided majority on its side."

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Zorro A Moderator Who Abuses His Entrusted Position? 11 May 2016 16:42 #27

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alex.onb.ac.at/cgi-content/alex?aid=dra&datum=1933&size=45&page=654

link to searchable version of image posted by P.

edit

no full english translations (tho only looked briefly)

wiki does accurately translate the first part of the law

further edit - there are 2 more pages of the law

alex.onb.ac.at/cgi-content/alex?aid=dra&datum=1933&size=45&page=655

alex.onb.ac.at/cgi-content/alex?aid=dra&datum=1933&size=45&page=656
1) Any person suffering from a hereditary disease may be rendered incapable of procreation by means of a surgical operation (sterilization), if the experience of medical science shows that it is highly probable that his descendants would suffer from some serious physical or mental hereditary defect.
(2) For the purposes of this law, any person will be considered as hereditarily diseased who is suffering from any one of the following diseases: –

(1) Congenital Mental Deficiency,
(2) Schizophrenia,
(3) Manic-Depressive Insanity,
(4) Hereditary Epilepsy,
(5) Hereditary Chorea (Huntington’s),
(6) Hereditary Blindness,
(7) Hereditary Deafness,
(8) Any severe hereditary deformity.

(3) Any person suffering from severe alcoholism may be also rendered incapable of procreation
It then ignores the rest of the law as far as tranlslation goes. Not saying the areticle is BS, but an objective source would surely translate the whole law.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_for_the_Prevention_of_Hereditarily_Diseased_Offspring


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Wir stehen nicht allein: "We do not stand alone". Poster from 1936. The woman is holding a baby and the man is holding a shield inscribed with the title of Germany's 1933 Law for the Prevention of Hereditarily Diseased Offspring. The couple is in front of a map of Germany, surrounded by the flags of nations which had enacted (to the left) or were considering (bottom and to the right) similar legislation.



"In these countries there are already (unreadable) laws"

United States (1912) (date illegible; Indiana enacted first laws in 1907)
Denmark (1929)
Norway (1934)
Sweden (1935)
Finland (1935?)


"These countries consider (unreadable) protection (?)"

Hungary
United Kingdom
Switzerland
Poland
Japan
Latvia
Estonia


The map also shows the pre-WW1 borders of Germany in the east (territory lost to Poland).
Date 1 March 1936
Source Scan taken from Robert Proctor, Racial Hygiene: Medicine under the Nazis (Cambridge, MA: Harvard University Press), page 96. Originally from Neues Volk, March 1, 1936, p.37.

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Zorro A Moderator Who Abuses His Entrusted Position? 11 May 2016 17:20 #29

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Zorro wrote:
ragnarok wrote:
Did they only want to send the gypsies, homosexuals, mentally retarded and the disabled to Palestine too, but someone got the orders wrong? If it was all the jews fault, why were they picking on these other vulnerable groups? It seems I'm not the only one who forgets things conveniently easily.

Gypsies a vulnerable group.. really? That's a fucking laugh. Mate, if you fuck with the Gypies down this way then they'll more than likely pay you a visit with baseball bats and sawn-off shot guns. Since when were Gypos and fucking pikeys ever victims! They'll fucking nick anything that isn't chained down or locked away at night, that's if you're unfortunate enough to live anywhere near them.. and luckily enough for me I don't. A good friend of mine who owns some land and lives out in the country has had some serious problems with pikeys though. The only deterrent to keep them off your land is dogs and guns. That's exactly the same reason why Germany slung their asses in labor camps btw. Their criminal nature.


They developed that "get your licks in first" attitude because of all the shit they've taken throughout the ages. Their toughness doesn't stop them being vulnerable when the whole of society is encouraged to look on them as vermin, like you appear to.
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we are going way OT, but it is interesting to see how other countries were also concerned about their children being born healthy. Emotive topic. Aborting healthy children is often considered acceptable.

Wierd worldviews


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ragnarok wrote:
They developed that "get your licks in first" attitude...

Yeah

Long before Hitler

He was right to bang them up

You moron
To understand who rules over you look to whom you tube can't criticise

The media isn't there to cover the news
It's there to cover the news up

All establishment lies pass through three stages
First, they are accepted as being self evident
Second, they are exposed by diligent research
Third, they are enforced

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It's acceptable in fucked up societies that need to get with the modern world, or be totally excluded from it.
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rodin wrote:
ragnarok wrote:
They developed that "get your licks in first" attitude...

Yeah

Long before Hitler

He was right to bang them up

You moron
You're the moron supporting a failure who ended up on a bonfire with his g/f and his dog, so you're in no position to be calling anybody else.
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Voltaire wrote:
we are going way OT, but it is interesting to see how other countries were also concerned about their children being born healthy. Emotive topic. Aborting healthy children is often considered acceptable.

Wierd worldviews


This is what those who call others for differing non-pc opinions "bigots"
love to ignore and they are not in the least interested in billions of massacred
and sold in parts gentile babies:


:right: Planned Parenthood Uses Partial-Birth Abortions to Sell Baby Organs



Ever wondered what happens to aborted Muslim, Jewish ... babies?
Don't they kill their own before they saw the first light?

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Zorro A Moderator Who Abuses His Entrusted Position? 11 May 2016 17:52 #35

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Did they only want to send the gypsies, homosexuals, mentally retarded and the disabled to Palestine too, but someone got the orders wrong? If it was all the jews fault, why were they picking on these other vulnerable groups? It seems I'm not the only one who forgets things conveniently easily.

Gypsies a vulnerable group.. really? That's a fucking laugh. Mate, if you fuck with the Gypies down this way then they'll more than likely pay you a visit with baseball bats and sawn-off shot guns. Since when were Gypos and fucking pikeys ever victims! They'll fucking nick anything that isn't chained down or locked away at night, that's if you're unfortunate enough to live anywhere near them.. and luckily enough for me I don't. A good friend of mine who owns some land and lives out in the country has had some serious problems with pikeys though. The only deterrent to keep them off your land is dogs and guns. That's exactly the same reason why Germany slung their asses in labor camps btw. Their criminal nature.


They developed that "get your licks in first" attitude because of all the shit they've taken throughout the ages. Their toughness doesn't stop them being vulnerable when the whole of society is encouraged to look on them as vermin, like you appear to.

Oh shut up you pathetic apologist of all things criminal and sordid. Pikeys are thieving criminal trash, and that's why no c*** fucking likes them. Not because they're victims. Idiot.

You're about the only twit I know who defends criminal pikeys. That doesn't surprise me in the least however, given your posting history here and elsewhere, where you apparently try to defend all manner of trash and degenerate behavior.
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No. YOU are the one trying to make out every gypsy is nothing but a useless drain on the rest of society, so I'll take no lectures from you, twatty.
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No. YOU are the one trying to make out every gypsy is nothing but a useless drain on the rest of society, so I'll take no lectures from you, twatty.


.... and another provocative one-liner .... by a useless drain of the rest of society .... :left: this is your resonance

and I hope someone will excerpt it, for you have been doing nothing but disrupt conversation all day long.


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Ken O'keefe defended travellers. Not that I agree with him.

kenokeefe.wordpress.com/tag/basildon-counsel/

Ken makes good points on the judaic question, but his take on world citizenship leaves me feeling wtf..


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I'd rather be provocative than repetitive.
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Ken O'keefe defended travellers. Not that I agree with him.

kenokeefe.wordpress.com/tag/basildon-counsel/

Ken makes good points on the judaic question, but his take on world citizenship leaves me feeling wtf..

Once you've determined that the govt's authorities, supported by those who elected them into their positions, do not have your best interests at heart, where's the incentive to obey the rest of society's laws, really? When you know that the govt you have never voted for are taking the piss left, right and centre, it's hardly surprising that SOME might say "Fuck that for a game of soldiers" and just live life to their own rules.
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