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TOPIC: David Icke - The Peoples Voice

David Icke - The Peoples Voice 25 Nov 2013 04:46 #61

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I contributed £60 which included a t-shirt for £50 and the Q&A with David for £10.

How much? :larf:
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David Icke - The Peoples Voice 25 Nov 2013 18:01 #62

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diamondgeezer wrote:
I contributed £60 which included a t-shirt for £50 and the Q&A with David for £10.

How much? :larf:

£50 for a tee-shirt? :O Icke is attracting a better class of mug nowadays. Going up in the matrix, eh.

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David Icke - The Peoples Voice 25 Nov 2013 18:10 #63

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David Icke - The Peoples Voice 25 Nov 2013 18:42 #64

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It certainly is on.

Although I'm of the mind that If anyone is deluded enough to give the sharking bastards their hard-earned...well that's their decision.

Now, would anyone like to become a TZ premier subscriber? :P
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David Icke - The Peoples Voice 25 Nov 2013 18:44 #65

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No. :coffee:
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David Icke - The Peoples Voice 25 Nov 2013 19:07 #66

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whats innit for me DG? other than percieving that i can laud it over non subscribing minions??

Errrr.....nothing really, apart from the dubious benefit you just mentioned above.

& lining the owners pockets of course.... :coffee:
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David Icke - The Peoples Voice 25 Nov 2013 19:21 #67

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Nicked from SZ . Thanks to Batou. :)

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:D I do miss batou's humour.

But, awww, really - some of the Icke followers really do believe in him. I know that is dotty of them and they need to learn to think more critically; but I also think a lot of them are quite vulnerable in some way - lonely, isolated, impoverished, depressed, hopeless.... stuff like that.

And the busterd is a master of preying on them. That's his only "talent".
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David Icke - The Peoples Voice 25 Nov 2013 19:38 #69

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:D I do miss batou's humour.

But, awww, really - some of the Icke followers really do believe in him. I know that is dotty of them and they need to learn to think more critically; but I also think a lot of them are quite vulnerable in some way - lonely, isolated, impoverished, depressed, hopeless.... stuff like that.

And the busterd is a master of preying on them. That's his only "talent".

Yes, cantata. I said it before and I'll say it again.....batou has that certain.... Je ne sais quoi. ;)

I also think there are some very vulnerable people over on the DIF.
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David Icke - The Peoples Voice 27 Nov 2013 00:06 #70

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Well I have to admit it's not quite what I was expecting. I just checked out TPV and it was some audio only thing with some woman complaining about porn. It could have been Woman's Hour on Radio 4. It all seems so...bland. It seems like it's just another nondescript media outlet with a high tolerance for conspiracy material. It's kinda...dull.

Anyone who thinks this snoozefest will change anything apart from your insomnia needs their head examined.

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I think that TPV provides a perfect platform for promoting civil disobedience campaigns. For acts of civil disobedience to be successful it requires a large audience to be aware of it and to, hopefully, support it. There are many people willing to take action - action that comes at great personal cost, but frequently these actions are performed with little to no spotlight. This is where TPV could be so powerful.

Civil disobedience inspires people. It's not just people talking the talk but walking the talk. It's people so committed to a cause that they willingly go to prison for the greater good. These are the people who capture the imagination of the people and give them the permission and the encouragement to act too.

I am planning an act of civil disobedience against the banks to protest the austerity measures and i'd love the support of TPV, and I feel that it would be mutually beneficial. I've contacted TPV and I hope to hear back from them soon.

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Good luck and all, but I don't think TPV would 'promote' civil disobedience. 'Endorse' it perhaps but not promote.

Just look at those on facebook getting jail time for 'inciting' during the riots.

That's right. While just about every protest group in the country looks to publicise its upcoming demos and protests on Facebook, that's far too radical a step for a DIF mod to stomach regarding the station that's going to change the world.

www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=262136
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David Icke - The Peoples Voice 27 Nov 2013 01:55 #71

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In weemans defence... he did unmod himself i believe. :chuckle:
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David Icke - The Peoples Voice 27 Nov 2013 09:32 #72

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Weeman was ok...never had a problem with him. :)
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David Icke - The Peoples Voice 27 Nov 2013 22:11 #73

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David Icke - The Peoples Voice 27 Nov 2013 22:35 #74

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That's really good. :D
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David Icke - The Peoples Voice 27 Nov 2013 23:51 #75

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This won't last long:
Hello.

I have registered here to ask that question:

What do people expect TPV to change?

I will state outright I am no fan of Mr David Icke. I consider his books to be bland repetition of other people's conspiracy theories coupled with outlandish tales of his own invention (how anyone can believe the moon is a spaceship constructed by alien lizards is really quite beyond me) and it appears he has conducted essentially no actual research into the numerous subjects about which he frequently makes grand pronouncements. Nevertheless, if TPV offers a genuine alternative to the myopic mainstream media, then I wish it well.

But from viewing so far I have seen a blend of some reasonable commentary coupled with new age theories, some blatant self promotion on the part of some individuals and the expected conspiracy theory material.

What interests me is people's expectation that it will somehow change anything. Nothing I have seen so far is not already widely available from numerous other sources. I have seen nothing that offer investigative journalism transcending mainstream publications such as Private Eye. It is early days, so perhaps this will change.

But of more concern is the apparent reliance on believing that sitting and watching television will somehow effect change. The UK is currently experiencing its darkest period for a long time. The rich and the powerful have, over the last few decades, reestablished their grip over the populace and are busy undoing numerous reforms the population fought for in the past.

Nothing ever changed without people getting up off their backsides and fighting for it. Nothing ever changed by watching television. At no time in human history has anything ever changed by sitting around and waiting for some hypothetical 'shift in consciousness'.

Up and down the country numerous groups are struggling against public apathy, belief we need only free the rich to become more rich and that will somehow benefit us all and people busily struggling just to make ends meet with little time to engage in any direct action.

On top of this, much that people do receives little to no attention from the media, giving the impression nothing can be done or is being done.

TPV could be a prime way to address this.

Yet as this week UK Uncut attempted to stir protest against the big 6 energy companies, I watched David Icke mourn the elderly freezing in their homes, but simply declare the solution is fee Tesla energy. Should such a thing have been invented 100 years ago, should we not be seeing a demonstration of this miracle? TPV could surely arrange for a mechanic to demonstrate the workings of an internal combustion engine. Why do we not see this creation of a time technologically far behind our own? And in the meantime, as we wait for this salvation, should we just sit back and watch people die? Why no mention of people actually trying to take action?

I watched Mr Icke mourn the loss of community spirit and solidarity. He said tribal cultures have this. He seemed to forget all the people who fought long and hard with great solidarity so the elderly got pensions and we all got free healthcare. He seemed oblivious to two centuries of fierce labour struggle against the rich and powerful. He talks of collective spirit like it only happened in the distant past.

Currently in the UK, the unemployed are being forced into providing free labour for corporations on the ridiculous premise corporations having slaves do work they would normally have to pay people to do will help people get jobs. December 2-8 is the week against workfare, organised by Boycott Workfare, with several groups trying to organise actions around the country on top of a demo in London. The media ignores this, as does TPV. So it's difficult to get large numbers involved. Surely TPV should be encouraging people to get involved with taking action to highlight the current persecution of the poor and vulnerable?

This is the tip of the iceberg.

TPV seems to have literally no awareness or interest in actual action people are trying to take up and down the country It seems to want people to sit and watch television in the hope its viewers - consisting I assume mostly of people hearing confirmation of what they already believe - will somehow affect change by simply believing what it says.

Perhaps I am wrong.

What do people believe TPV will change?

By what mechanism do they expect this to occur?

Why does TPV seemingly have no interest in covering what action ordinary people are trying to take for themselves of their own volition, promoting this and seeking out people who are working to effect change in relative obscurity, in many cases doing so for years. Surely this is more important than tales of UFOs, talking to he dead or nutritional supplements?
Where are the Black Triangle Campaign, where are DPAC, where are CAAT in this supposed paragon of the alternative?

How is the passive consumption of media a remedy for the passive consumption of media?

The only way anything will ever change is by grassroots organisation by ordinary people in their communities. TPV - for whatever reason - seems to be disinterested in this.

www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=262339

And when this gets deleted I wonder if anyone will question the lack of "free speech" or the ability to honestly question anything on that forum?? I'm guessing not.
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David Icke - The Peoples Voice 28 Nov 2013 00:05 #76

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OK, I have to admit I'm a bit torn on this one.

I'm actually smack dab in the middle: Deletion OR Locked?

I really could see it going either way on this one. Kinda leaning towards the padlock. By i_am of course. Time will tell.
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David Icke - The Peoples Voice 28 Nov 2013 00:11 #77

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And to be perfectly honest I'm really rather surprized this thread hasn't been locked:


www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=262136

TPV - A Platform to Promote Civil Disobedience?


Not because it's a "bad idea" but you know how those DIF mods can be, well, some of them. :nono:
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David Icke - The Peoples Voice 28 Nov 2013 00:19 #78

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phemohilia wrote:
And to be perfectly honest I'm really rather surprized this thread hasn't been locked:


www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=262136

TPV - A Platform to Promote Civil Disobedience?



Not because it's a "bad idea" but you know how those DIF mods can be, well, some of them. :nono:


It might still be open because it's only had TWO responses (and one from grandmasterp asking, "Is it a slow night in your newsroom?" :roll: Isn't he just The Wit Of The Century?).

But, straight away is that dismissal of the questions involved - if a thread/post even seems to have any degree of "criticism" of Icke's means, motives or methods, it is dismissed. The brainwashed over there just don't want to hear it (because there's a chance something of it might "wake them up"?). And these are the same people that point to the rest of society, who are diligently trying to get by as best they can most usually..... and calling them "sheeple".

Go figure the DIFs.

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David Icke - The Peoples Voice 28 Nov 2013 00:47 #79

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I only read up to the line-
TPV is going to make some sort of change, and thats done with compliance
I will have to say good night, I am laughing too much to think
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jonb wrote:
I only read up to the line-
TPV is going to make some sort of change, and thats done with compliance
I will have to say good night, I am laughing too much to think

:D

Goodnight, jonb!
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