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The David Icke Forum 07 Dec 2013 11:43 #21

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The real shame in it all is that the incredible amount of reach that the DIF could have if it "played its cards right" gets flushed down the toilet with every post "moderation", every thread-locking and every undeserving member-ban. People with the slightest degree of discernment see that happening and just shrug and say "Well, there's nothing for me here...."

But I guess with "87,000 members" they can afford the loss.
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The David Icke Forum 07 Dec 2013 11:45 #22

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You must be freshly off the DIF right?

Indeed, and feeling rather gullible for having taken it at face value on the strength of respect for DI.
Last place I would have expected to find a hidden agenda, and know that what I've learned the last 24 hours will only be a scratch on the surface, hence the question.

I'm sure there will be more coming this way, which reminds me, must go to the supermarket and get some new socks :-)

Couple of years back, when many of us and bunches of others, were fighting against the gags and unfair bans, there was HUGE anger and for a time there were few posts made other than DIF venting posts and threads. On and on and on we all went, because there was so much to vent about (trust me, it wasn't just a few "gates") until we vented ourselves out. :D
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The David Icke Forum 07 Dec 2013 12:01 #23

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Gotta say I can't find too much point in continuing to post on the DiF. All the doom porn, political nonsense, religious extremism and general insanity was only tempered by the (mistaken) belief that at its core, the ethos of the DiF, or rather David Icke, was a good thing.
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The David Icke Forum 07 Dec 2013 12:03 #24

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At the time they had this mass cleansing of unwanted posters going on, when I was told the truth about DIF modding, I went there and openly posted about the moderation and the huge issue with censorship over there. If I remember correctly, it took about two to three hours to get banned. All my posts from that day were deleted in a heart beat. AFAIK it was Shawn who kicked me out.

Interesting how easily the banhammer swings when you go onto the "speak no evil, see no evil, hear no evil" side of things. Free speech my arse, truth be buried deep behind the great firewall of DIF.

Phem, how many of those 87k users even post there? I guess its a small minority. Oh yea and all banned members are counted in to that number too. :D Haha, and my account there also says "inactive". How many are banned users are called "inactive"? That must be one of DIF newspeak terms.
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The David Icke Forum 07 Dec 2013 12:11 #25

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Sean earlier.... :D

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The David Icke Forum 07 Dec 2013 12:16 #26

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Interesting how easily the banhammer swings when you go onto the "speak no evil, see no evil, hear no evil" side of things. Free speech my arse, truth be buried deep behind the great firewall of DIF.


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Phem, how many of those 87k users even post there? I guess its a small minority. Oh yea and all banned members are counted in to that number too. :D Haha, and my account there also says "inactive". How many are banned users are called "inactive"? That must be one of DIF newspeak terms.

I think they figured that 87k in dog years. :chuckle:
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The David Icke Forum 07 Dec 2013 12:21 #27

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Gotta say I can't find too much point in continuing to post on the DiF. All the doom porn, political nonsense, religious extremism and general insanity was only tempered by the (mistaken) belief that at its core, the ethos of the DiF, or rather David Icke, was a good thing.

I felt exactly the same. I'd began to see just about EVERYONE as The Enemy - "ordinary people", doing their best in difficult situations were merely sheeple to be jeered; anyone doing well in any way was part of The Illuminatti. The world was owned by reptilians who rode us piggy-back and worked us if we emanated any kind of emotion at all. Everything was poisonous, nothing was beneficial at all.... It threw me into a depression more than once.

It was only after a time away from the place (I went inactive, although I'm not "allowed" to reactivate, which suits me) that I began to see the mire I'd sunk into. A mire of hatred and distrust. And heading the pile was a man (David Icke) who increasingly seemed desperate to join the ranks of the rich and famous. He tripped over his own belly more than once to be photographed shaking hands with those he declared to be evil. He fell over himself in his speed to be photographed smiling with Celebrities, who were held up as being somehow more important as his Supporters than the hundreds who supported him daily.

Now? Icke is a man whose knowledges seem based on things he was told by others. He was told about reptilians, but has never seen or encountered one himself. He was told about the Satanic rituals of TPTB. He was told he was great by a psychic (who charges).

Hmmmmmmm. :taptap:

And then I noticed how many of the "ordinary posters" were absolutely terrorised by some of the claims and theories.

I rarely go near the place nowadays; and when I do I get a flush of negativity - if it's not anger, it's a sensation of everything being so hopeless. Just go and scroll down any of the day's "Headlines" and see what's there..... No. Don't. It's bad news you can get anytime off the BBC.

But it brings in money for David Icke (and, I believe for sean et al?). Can't be doing with it any more.

And it's not lost on me that this post would result in an instant banning for me on the DIFs. Free Speech and Truth my Big-Fat-Lily-White!
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The David Icke Forum 07 Dec 2013 12:55 #28

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And it's not lost on me that this post would result in an instant banning for me on the DIFs. Free Speech and Truth my Big-Fat-Lily-White!

Indeed, farcical isn't it.

A site that supposedly advocates 'truth' but then gags anyone who speaks a version of it that they don't agree with.
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The David Icke Forum 07 Dec 2013 13:00 #29

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Worzel wrote:
Have been here less than 24 hours, witnessed STFU gate, learned of PM reading gates I, II & III
There must be more?

Know that free speech & open mindedness is not in the equation on DIF, so curious to know about the other skellingtons in the closet?

You need to get to know I_AM_ALL_I_AM i think :chuckle:

How much spare time you got? :hahano:

www.infiniteloveforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=2252

www.infiniteloveforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5900
I remember the good old days, when 90+ year olds in nursing homes lived forever. Darn this pesky virus.

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The David Icke Forum 07 Dec 2013 13:48 #30

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What Cantata said.
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The David Icke Forum 07 Dec 2013 14:29 #31

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It was a demoralizing, belittling experience to be so frequently criticized, bullied, and attacked :axe: especially when mods did nothing to address it. Yes, agree with the sentiments that the mods there are shite and contribute to and condone a great amount of abuse that goes on there. Sadly, bullying is common on social networks, as I have experienced.
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Some time before I asked for my DIF account to be closed I went back to threads I posted on and read replies and comments to my posts; there were not a few verbal attacks and nasty, unwarranted remarks that validated deep feelings of being ostracized -perhaps I should have been pleased to have aroused so much wrath and vindictiveness by the Insanity Mob, but I only felt marginalized and minimized.
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That's not to say that it was a 100% negative experience because I developed a few wonderful friendships with a few members, and one of those gentle souls invited me to join here. I also hope to see a Scot friend from over there here soon.... But the pluses did not outweigh how unwanted and disrespected I felt overall.
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I think the final straw was being called names, and I asked for my account to be closed. It wasn't, and I asked a second time, but I've not been back to confirm if it has. I have not changed my username --intentionally. There is no reason to, if the consequence of using the same username elsewhere is to be banned from DIF, well, that would remedy getting my account closed. Besides, why hide behind multiple pseudo names?
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There's been at least one other thread here about that other forum, people writing about their experiences and so forth. I hadn't added to it because I feel largely that naming, blaming and shaming is counterproductive to one's own process of self-actualization. I think that a person either realises their strengths and weaknesses and sets a course to be the best they can despite external judgement, or they have no backbone and allow others to define them. In the finish, I decided to post something here, not because doing so makes me feel validated or accepted in a group who also feels that DIF is a nasty place, but because there are some posters who will be, or are being, bullied there and may experience that more hurtfully, and possibly destructively, than I did. Exposing the abuse of bullying there is one way of letting DIF posters who are getting shit chucked at them know that they can make other choices that are affirming and validating of their opinions and thoughts.
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No need to say 'so sorry you experienced that, and so on', here. I made the choice to join, no matter how misguided or vacuous my expectations. For me, sometimes a learning curve is rapid and the discomfort intense but short-lived, other times it is a slow, painful trip that I seem not to willingly dismount until the discomfort becomes acute. I can laugh at my own useless hopes to find acceptance and camaraderie if only I tried hard enough, and now put it behind me. But for those still there and feeling minimised, disrespected and not valued, their pain is ongoing, and it's for them that I post this.
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The David Icke Forum 07 Dec 2013 14:52 #32

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Top post syxx. :)
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The David Icke Forum 07 Dec 2013 16:54 #33

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Wonderful Post syxx
Thankyou for sharing some pretty enlightening stuff, it's is heartfeltly appreciated :)
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The David Icke Forum 07 Dec 2013 17:01 #34

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I've think I've got off quite lightly by the sounds of it!
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The David Icke Forum 07 Dec 2013 17:47 #35

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It was a demoralizing, belittling experience to be so frequently criticized, bullied, and attacked :axe: especially when mods did nothing to address it. Yes, agree with the sentiments that the mods there are shite and contribute to and condone a great amount of abuse that goes on there. Sadly, bullying is common on social networks, as I have experienced.
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Some time before I asked for my DIF account to be closed I went back to threads I posted on and read replies and comments to my posts; there were not a few verbal attacks and nasty, unwarranted remarks that validated deep feelings of being ostracized -perhaps I should have been pleased to have aroused so much wrath and vindictiveness by the Insanity Mob, but I only felt marginalized and minimized.
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That's not to say that it was a 100% negative experience because I developed a few wonderful friendships with a few members, and one of those gentle souls invited me to join here. I also hope to see a Scot friend from over there here soon.... But the pluses did not outweigh how unwanted and disrespected I felt overall.
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I think the final straw was being called names, and I asked for my account to be closed. It wasn't, and I asked a second time, but I've not been back to confirm if it has. I have not changed my username --intentionally. There is no reason to, if the consequence of using the same username elsewhere is to be banned from DIF, well, that would remedy getting my account closed. Besides, why hide behind multiple pseudo names?
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There's been at least one other thread here about that other forum, people writing about their experiences and so forth. I hadn't added to it because I feel largely that naming, blaming and shaming is counterproductive to one's own process of self-actualization. I think that a person either realises their strengths and weaknesses and sets a course to be the best they can despite external judgement, or they have no backbone and allow others to define them. In the finish, I decided to post something here, not because doing so makes me feel validated or accepted in a group who also feels that DIF is a nasty place, but because there are some posters who will be, or are being, bullied there and may experience that more hurtfully, and possibly destructively, than I did. Exposing the abuse of bullying there is one way of letting DIF posters who are getting shit chucked at them know that they can make other choices that are affirming and validating of their opinions and thoughts.
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No need to say 'so sorry you experienced that, and so on', here. I made the choice to join, no matter how misguided or vacuous my expectations. For me, sometimes a learning curve is rapid and the discomfort intense but short-lived, other times it is a slow, painful trip that I seem not to willingly dismount until the discomfort becomes acute. I can laugh at my own useless hopes to find acceptance and camaraderie if only I tried hard enough, and now put it behind me. But for those still there and feeling minimised, disrespected and not valued, their pain is ongoing, and it's for them that I post this.
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Today, I am listening to opera... and it is a very good day. :clap: :clap:

I'm a long time user of DIF, I remember you joining and reading your posts. I thought your posts were excellent, shame you had a bad time and had to leave.

What I find annoying about DIF is the inane paranoia, which is partly fueled by Icke himself. A lot of the posters are terrified of their own shadow, they think reptiles rule the world, a little triangle is proof of illuminati.

I hope Icke is genuine, and I wouldn't claim he isn't because that wouldn't be fair.. But... He got over $300,000 in donations before the peoples voice even started, since the start, probably a lot more, yet he's practically begging for more money in his latest video, it's only been on air two weeks or so.

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The David Icke Forum 07 Dec 2013 18:13 #36

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Cantata, I'm inspired to post by your two recent posts. This and this:

truth-zone.net/forum/general-discussion/62551-david-icke-the-peoples-voice.html?start=200

I could and likely will, write several article length essays on the problems with david, his forum and with conspiracy theorists more generally speaking. For now I will say that your two posts are two of the best, most honest posts I've read in quite some time on these types of forums. I'll try to offer some balanced criticism of david.

First, much of the research that david and alex present is in fact, valid. IMO, this includes his research on reptilians. I have never seen a ufo or a reptilian myself, but based on the accounts of others and evidence available, I certainly do not dismiss it. Same goes for chemtrails, 9-11, and numerous other topics.

Having said that, it is also very easy to document david's inability to document many of his claims. His bibliographical work is a shambles in just about every 'book.' Never mind that every one of his books is a massive regurgitation of his previous, with perhaps a new chapter thrown in.

I am also suspicious like others that david has plagiarized openly from his forum, never giving credit to the original writers. This is a common problem in conspiracy circles, as well as in mainstream academic research.

The question is, what is the solution then? Yes, there needs to be some space and opportunity to criticize david and alex, and the others. But at some point, there has to be some constructive moment, something positive being built, economically and culturally.

Let's take this forum for instance. We are free to criticize david (perhaps it is mandatory to do so?) and yet the forum topics are basically a distillation of the topics you find on prisonplanet and david's forum.

I do consider the charges of fearporn and conspirtainment to have some validity but if the very same topics show up here aren't we just as guilty as those we point the finger at?

Looking for something positive to build.
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Gotta say I can't find too much point in continuing to post on the DiF. All the doom porn, political nonsense, religious extremism and general insanity was only tempered by the (mistaken) belief that at its core, the ethos of the DiF, or rather David Icke, was a good thing.

I felt exactly the same. I'd began to see just about EVERYONE as The Enemy - "ordinary people", doing their best in difficult situations were merely sheeple to be jeered; anyone doing well in any way was part of The Illuminatti. The world was owned by reptilians who rode us piggy-back and worked us if we emanated any kind of emotion at all. Everything was poisonous, nothing was beneficial at all.... It threw me into a depression more than once.

It was only after a time away from the place (I went inactive, although I'm not "allowed" to reactivate, which suits me) that I began to see the mire I'd sunk into. A mire of hatred and distrust. And heading the pile was a man (David Icke) who increasingly seemed desperate to join the ranks of the rich and famous. He tripped over his own belly more than once to be photographed shaking hands with those he declared to be evil. He fell over himself in his speed to be photographed smiling with Celebrities, who were held up as being somehow more important as his Supporters than the hundreds who supported him daily.

Now? Icke is a man whose knowledges seem based on things he was told by others. He was told about reptilians, but has never seen or encountered one himself. He was told about the Satanic rituals of TPTB. He was told he was great by a psychic (who charges).

Hmmmmmmm. :taptap:

And then I noticed how many of the "ordinary posters" were absolutely terrorised by some of the claims and theories.

I rarely go near the place nowadays; and when I do I get a flush of negativity - if it's not anger, it's a sensation of everything being so hopeless. Just go and scroll down any of the day's "Headlines" and see what's there..... No. Don't. It's bad news you can get anytime off the BBC.

But it brings in money for David Icke (and, I believe for sean et al?). Can't be doing with it any more.

And it's not lost on me that this post would result in an instant banning for me on the DIFs. Free Speech and Truth my Big-Fat-Lily-White!
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The David Icke Forum 07 Dec 2013 18:22 #37

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Just wish to say without detracting from the thread, how refreshing it is to be able to discuss this very topic without posts being moderated/deleted or the banhammer coming out for a whack.
Never started this thread from resentment or anger, just to find out the truth from the perspective of others more wise & experienced over there, and you are not disappointing, so thankyou one and all :-)
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TZ is a place where people may speak openly and honestly about any subject matter. Without fear of being banned for doing so. :)
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The David Icke Forum 07 Dec 2013 18:39 #40

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David has had megalomaniacal tendencies since first announcing or confirming that he was a son or the son of god some 23 years ago.

I think the nation wide ridicule he endured did not eliminate it, but only suppressed it, and is now re-surfacing again, this time with far greater strength. The evidence includes his being photographed with various degenerate celebrities, the works of whom have been exposed as blatantly pro-illuminati (russell brand and steven tyler in particular). It also includes the promotional advertising for his and his son's work, the claims of which have become increasingly preposterous and/or arrogant over time.

And then there is the TPV scandal. The problems with the venture are far too obvious and well documented for me to repeat here. The blatant hypocrisy (suppressing free speech in the name of free speech, and guilt tripping those most sympathetic to donate more of the non-existent money he has deconstructed yet is oddly dependent on) is completely mind boggling.

David really believes he is a messianic/christ like figure. Sadly, he is all too human. Meaning he has become a massive control freak, egomaniac, and intellectual thief. He decries the nepotism of bloodlines yet practices it himself. I could go on and on.

I don't hate the man. But his hypocrisy is so in your face now, he is indeed now the enemy of everything he purportedly stands for.
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