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First let me clear something up....
It's not that i'm ultra Pro-David Icke...
Like i said before i'm not donating any money to TPV but i do hope it succedes for a few reasons.
Matter a fact i hope all the "truthers" and the the forums like this grow worldwide.
Icke does not carry himself in a way which would cause me to not like him.
Same with Alex Jones, you gotta accept the good with the bad and the crazy.
Any movements that speak out against the earths wealthy power structure should be supported.
People just need to look past the crazy talk from Alex Jones about Fema Camps or Icke about Reptilians.
Some people just take it all to serious and are far to critical about focusing on the wrong things.
People in society hate on each other so much it makes no sense sometimes.
I understand where youre coming from periods, and i guess i already generally knew what you said above, what your thoughts are about Icke, Jones and anyone else who can reach a larger audience.
And I agree with you about wanting to see 'truthers' grow in numbers.
I think though why most people who get annoyed or vocal or critical etc, about Icke, Jones and others, is because they honestly believe they do more harm than good.
So that point alone is up for debate i think... do they do more harm than good? Its perhaps a thread in itself. We certainly have mixed opinions just on TZ already and the same goes across the board.
Some people do simply like to see others get brought down a notch (crabs in a bucket/haters etc) and we cant deny these kinds of personalities/agendas exist, but like I just said, i think for the most part that people who are already aware or 'awake' if you will and are critical, just dont like what they see and perhaps think it discredits the truth movement, which in turn sets things back or keeps everybody in neutral/distracted from seeking or bringing about any improvements/changes to the way things are right now.
Where sites like this can differ from some of the other sites that have well known people behind it, like the David Icke Forum, is that there is no brand behind this site, we arent wanting to sell anything, we arent as defensive as some of the other sites, who seem to go into damage control and tail spin mode sometimes when things are seen to be damaging the brand. And i suppose perhaps i cant blame them for that... they are one thing and sites such as this are another.
Personally, I always wanted to see all people in this 'truth' genre if you will, find some common ground, and not resort to attacking each other, perhaps just stop short and stating their differences in opinion and thats that, agree to disagree kind of thing, drop the nastyness. I felt that way about DIF, SZ, and want that for this place too, if not the whole whatever this is. (truth movement or whatever one wants to call it)
Because i do think we pretty much all share some common ground if we are already here, or on the DIF where alot of us used to be, and that is, we pretty much all agree that a tiny minority in the decimal points of percentages of the global population, pretty much dictate all that goes on, and ensure all economic activity, if not all human activity perhaps, is geared so that they benefit the most. I think most agree we see a merger of corporations and state/politics and politicians also. Its a self serving machine.
Anyway...threads such as this, well put simply Icke and sean would see it as 'forum wars'.
But if its being posted and said, then people are already thinking it. People are wanting to say things. Its not about forums, its about peoples opinions. The peoples voice if you will.

Great post novum, thank you for taking the time to type that up and help explain the points i was making.
I look at things from the simple perspective of what are the overall message of David Icke & Alex Jones.
Alex Jones is one of Americas largest Anti-War radio personalities with a major following in the US.
David Icke is one of Britain's largest anti Royal / Monarch personalities with a major following in the UK.
That's all i need to know in order to support them.....
The main points are clear and that's all i need to hear.....
So the rest of the show i don't worry about all the crazy talk and intangibles... (fema camps, reptilians ect)
Crabs in a bucket and haters will always bring out the worst in people and negativity of any situation.