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Abovetopsecret.com is controlled 23 Mar 2016 05:17 #21

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Flare wrote:
- National Socialism means something completely different then socialism.
Matter of fact, it is the opposite of socialism! Yet, you see only the word socialism and are blinded by it.

The opposite of socialism would be a free market; capitalism. In political terms libertarianian, or classical liberalism. Hitler was far from that.

Socialism means; a big state, a big welfare system, controlled (so not free) markets, state banks, state programs. That was nazism in all sense. The nazi regime had to use foreign investors (as indicated in the Holocaust topic) to function, but in essence it was the State that ran the country; business should serve the State.

So not "the opposite of" socialism. Socialism with a nationalist agenda. National socialism.
- He was no founder of "Lebensraum".

Occupation of:
the Netherlands
Belgium
Luxemburg
parts of (Vichy-)France
Czechoslovakia
Poland
Austria
Hungary
invasions into Greece, Yugoslavia, the Soviet Union
bombings of Britain
Denmark (Operation Weserübung)
Romania

You don't call that "searching for Lebensraum"? :yerright:
Only thing he did

Don't start trolling... :nono:
was reunite with Austria

Reunite?? Man, you need to review the history books...

There has never been a German state until 1870 and Austria-Hungary used to be an empire when "Germany" still consisted of small city states. In fact that has been the big advantage of "Germany" (and at the same time one of the arguments against superstates as the EU); small states trading, competing and working with each other.
and wanted Germany to be independent..

If that were the case he should have focused on that alone. Unfortunately he didn't, see the list of occupations.
but you have been propagandised by your schoolbooks
No.
- He certainly was self confident.. but that's what you get with one of the greatest leaders the world has ever known.

If he were such a great leader, he would have succeeded. He didn't. Strategically he was also quite clumsy, making the mistake to fight wars on multiple fronts, to start invading Russia in winter times, to not care for enough resources (hence the "Anschluss" and the invasion of Romania), etc. etc.
What else did you expect of a leader of his magnitude? To be less selfconfident..?

No, but you called him a 'truth seeker' or 'conspiracy theorist'.

That is based on the idea that he was fighting "the Zionist Freemasonic Order", the same one you see as responsible for a NWO. Were that the case, and would he focus his efforts PURELY on Freemasonry and let the normal, innocent civillians in peace, that would be a choice that could be understood. That's not what he did. The civillians suffered greatly under the nazi regime; both inside and outside Germany.
- He saw no problem dragging millions of people into the war?
Well, it were the Jews who started it in 1933,
1 - there is no such thing as "jews". Jewishness or jewry is a myth; there's no genetic basis for a "jewish" people
2 - there is no such thing as "The Jews". Jews, like any other people are individuals. What Jew 1 does, does not have anything to do with what Jew 2 does. Even if you believe in "Jewishness" (see point 1), it is still irrelevant. You and me are both white. If you do something, I, as a "fellow white person" have 0 responsibility or control over you or what you do. Therefore punishing ME for YOUR behaviour is a complete non-sequitur.
3 - the "evidence" for this is some "news" reports from 1933. Even back then the news was controlled, just like now. Taking the Main Stream Media of that time seriously is very tricky.
by putting a boycot onto Germany

If a boycott is warfare then it's warfare for everyone. Today there are people who boycott Israel for their abuse of the Palestinian people. So in your words, people are declaring war against Israel.

Be consistent, that's my message the whole time. If boycotting other countries is warfare, then it's always warfare, not only when it's done to countries you like. It means that "Europe" declared "war" against Russia after the fake MH17 "incident"; boycotts against Russia were installed.
in order to starve the German people into surrender

If that was the motive of SOME jews (so not all; Jew 2 is not responsible for the behaviour of Jew 1, just like White Person 2 is not for White Person 1, etc.) then I'd like to see a source for that.
Matter of fact, Hitler tried everything to prevent the war

Well, not really. He joined the fascist clan of Italy and Spain early on, supported the Franco regime directly with the bombings of Guernica and helped the Italians with their racist-induced invasion of Abysinnia.

After that he invaded Poland and all the other countries.

Someone who "tries everything to prevent war" has a VERY different behaviour...
and sent approx. 20 peace proposals to Churchill, but he would have none of it.

One can only sent peace proposals when already at war. So that's a bit late.
So guess who the warmongers really were back in the day?

That the Allied Forces were warmongerers is clear, thank you. It's about you and your Hitler obsession. I am NOWHERE defending any of the horrible actions of the Allied Forces, yet see that the nazi forces were not less cruel. You deny ALL of that, that's the point.

Your position is:
- Western Allies = BAD
- Soviet Union = BAD
- Jews = BAD
- Nazis = GOOD, noble warriors, well-meaning people

My position is:
- ALL political forces = BAD
- ALL innocent people victimised by those forces = GOOD
- No respect for others?
The man respected his people like none other.

Oh yeah, those fine propaganda stories you take seriously. :yerright:

The man was a statist, ex-military and rounded up his own people to work for his sick war machine. "Respect" is something different...
Matter of fact again; the guy received more fanmail then the Beatles, Mick Jagger and Madonna combined

Serial killers get far more fanmail than me. Does that make serial killers more moral than me? I don't think so...
and didn't have to drive around
in armored vehicles.

Ah no, all the attempts on his life didn't happen... :yerright:
The people loved him.

No, not "the people". CERTAIN people loved him. And many others HATED him. That's how it goes. Look at today, look at history, look everywhere around you. There's nobody in the whole world who is loved by everyone.

And again you seem incapable of seeing through the propaganda and take all that crap seriously.
Now do you really think that would be the case if he would have no respect for anyone and he was a tyrant against his own people??

Yes, of course. Look at the support of present day politicians. That can be huge too. Both real and propagandised. Does that mean they are acting morally? No, of course not. Brainwashing people is a common characteristic of psychopaths and psychopaths tend to gather and seek power. Hitler was a typical psychopath, just like the politicians of today. A thirst for power, no sense of remorse, shame or respect for other human beings, only when they can use them in their favour.

The fact that you are brainwashed by that does not make them less psychopathic. It only makes you more culpable of defending those crazies.
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Abovetopsecret.com is controlled 23 Mar 2016 12:53 #22

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Gaia wrote:
Flare wrote:
- National Socialism means something completely different then socialism.
Matter of fact, it is the opposite of socialism! Yet, you see only the word socialism and are blinded by it.

The opposite of socialism would be a free market; capitalism. In political terms libertarianian, or classical liberalism. Hitler was far from that.

Socialism means; a big state, a big welfare system, controlled (so not free) markets, state banks, state programs. That was nazism in all sense. The nazi regime had to use foreign investors (as indicated in the Holocaust topic) to function, but in essence it was the State that ran the country; business should serve the State.

So not "the opposite of" socialism. Socialism with a nationalist agenda. National socialism.
- He was no founder of "Lebensraum".

Occupation of:
the Netherlands
Belgium
Luxemburg
parts of (Vichy-)France
Czechoslovakia
Poland
Austria
Hungary
invasions into Greece, Yugoslavia, the Soviet Union
bombings of Britain
Denmark (Operation Weserübung)
Romania

You don't call that "searching for Lebensraum"? :yerright:
Only thing he did

Don't start trolling... :nono:
was reunite with Austria

Reunite?? Man, you need to review the history books...

There has never been a German state until 1870 and Austria-Hungary used to be an empire when "Germany" still consisted of small city states. In fact that has been the big advantage of "Germany" (and at the same time one of the arguments against superstates as the EU); small states trading, competing and working with each other.
and wanted Germany to be independent..

If that were the case he should have focused on that alone. Unfortunately he didn't, see the list of occupations.
but you have been propagandised by your schoolbooks
No.
- He certainly was self confident.. but that's what you get with one of the greatest leaders the world has ever known.

If he were such a great leader, he would have succeeded. He didn't. Strategically he was also quite clumsy, making the mistake to fight wars on multiple fronts, to start invading Russia in winter times, to not care for enough resources (hence the "Anschluss" and the invasion of Romania), etc. etc.
What else did you expect of a leader of his magnitude? To be less selfconfident..?

No, but you called him a 'truth seeker' or 'conspiracy theorist'.

That is based on the idea that he was fighting "the Zionist Freemasonic Order", the same one you see as responsible for a NWO. Were that the case, and would he focus his efforts PURELY on Freemasonry and let the normal, innocent civillians in peace, that would be a choice that could be understood. That's not what he did. The civillians suffered greatly under the nazi regime; both inside and outside Germany.
- He saw no problem dragging millions of people into the war?
Well, it were the Jews who started it in 1933,
1 - there is no such thing as "jews". Jewishness or jewry is a myth; there's no genetic basis for a "jewish" people
2 - there is no such thing as "The Jews". Jews, like any other people are individuals. What Jew 1 does, does not have anything to do with what Jew 2 does. Even if you believe in "Jewishness" (see point 1), it is still irrelevant. You and me are both white. If you do something, I, as a "fellow white person" have 0 responsibility or control over you or what you do. Therefore punishing ME for YOUR behaviour is a complete non-sequitur.
3 - the "evidence" for this is some "news" reports from 1933. Even back then the news was controlled, just like now. Taking the Main Stream Media of that time seriously is very tricky.
by putting a boycot onto Germany

If a boycott is warfare then it's warfare for everyone. Today there are people who boycott Israel for their abuse of the Palestinian people. So in your words, people are declaring war against Israel.

Be consistent, that's my message the whole time. If boycotting other countries is warfare, then it's always warfare, not only when it's done to countries you like. It means that "Europe" declared "war" against Russia after the fake MH17 "incident"; boycotts against Russia were installed.
in order to starve the German people into surrender

If that was the motive of SOME jews (so not all; Jew 2 is not responsible for the behaviour of Jew 1, just like White Person 2 is not for White Person 1, etc.) then I'd like to see a source for that.
Matter of fact, Hitler tried everything to prevent the war

Well, not really. He joined the fascist clan of Italy and Spain early on, supported the Franco regime directly with the bombings of Guernica and helped the Italians with their racist-induced invasion of Abysinnia.

After that he invaded Poland and all the other countries.

Someone who "tries everything to prevent war" has a VERY different behaviour...
and sent approx. 20 peace proposals to Churchill, but he would have none of it.

One can only sent peace proposals when already at war. So that's a bit late.
So guess who the warmongers really were back in the day?

That the Allied Forces were warmongerers is clear, thank you. It's about you and your Hitler obsession. I am NOWHERE defending any of the horrible actions of the Allied Forces, yet see that the nazi forces were not less cruel. You deny ALL of that, that's the point.

Your position is:
- Western Allies = BAD
- Soviet Union = BAD
- Jews = BAD
- Nazis = GOOD, noble warriors, well-meaning people

My position is:
- ALL political forces = BAD
- ALL innocent people victimised by those forces = GOOD
- No respect for others?
The man respected his people like none other.

Oh yeah, those fine propaganda stories you take seriously. :yerright:

The man was a statist, ex-military and rounded up his own people to work for his sick war machine. "Respect" is something different...
Matter of fact again; the guy received more fanmail then the Beatles, Mick Jagger and Madonna combined

Serial killers get far more fanmail than me. Does that make serial killers more moral than me? I don't think so...
and didn't have to drive around
in armored vehicles.

Ah no, all the attempts on his life didn't happen... :yerright:
The people loved him.

No, not "the people". CERTAIN people loved him. And many others HATED him. That's how it goes. Look at today, look at history, look everywhere around you. There's nobody in the whole world who is loved by everyone.

And again you seem incapable of seeing through the propaganda and take all that crap seriously.
Now do you really think that would be the case if he would have no respect for anyone and he was a tyrant against his own people??

Yes, of course. Look at the support of present day politicians. That can be huge too. Both real and propagandised. Does that mean they are acting morally? No, of course not. Brainwashing people is a common characteristic of psychopaths and psychopaths tend to gather and seek power. Hitler was a typical psychopath, just like the politicians of today. A thirst for power, no sense of remorse, shame or respect for other human beings, only when they can use them in their favour.

The fact that you are brainwashed by that does not make them less psychopathic. It only makes you more culpable of defending those crazies.

Have quoted your post to the Adolf Hitler topic.
So we have come together on this day to prove symbolically that we are more than a collection of individuals striving one against another, that none of us is too proud, none of us too high, none is too rich, and none too poor, to stand together before the face of the Lord and of the world in this indissoluble, sworn community. And this united nation, we have need of it.

- Adolf Hitler, in Berlin, 01 May 1935
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Abovetopsecret.com is controlled 23 Mar 2016 16:31 #23

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Flare wrote:
Gaia wrote:
Flare wrote:
...every real Truther-forum will have a lot about Hitler going on, as he was the greatest Truther / conspiracy theorist of all.

:larf: :larf: :larf:

He was:
- a statist
- a national socialist
- the founder of a very imperialistic (Lebensraum) empire
- extremely self-confident and arrogant
- saw no problem in dragging millions of people into war
- no respect for others, only for himself and his doggy

You call that a truth seeker? Then your standards are very very skewed.

The question is what may falsify your belief in him as an honest man. What data has to be found in order for you to change your world view. If there's nothing and he will always be your hero, then it's called belief, religion, superstition.

The belief in supernatural things (Gods) is far less dangerous than the belief in people who displayed a very gruesome way of dealing with other human beings... :yerright:

And that forums are controlled is I think no surprise to anyone a little bit awake. I understood most (if not all) of the long-term members of Truth Zone come from the David Icke forum. David Icke is a disinfo clown himself, so his forum (never checked it) would be controlled (opposition) too...

- National Socialism means something completely different then socialism.
Matter of fact, it is the opposite of socialism! Yet, you see only the word socialism and are blinded by it.

- He was no founder of "Lebensraum".
Only thing he did was reunite with Austria and wanted Germany to be independent.. but you have been propagandised by your schoolbooks

- He certainly was self confident.. but that's what you get with one of the greatest leaders the world has ever known.
What else did you expect of a leader of his magnitude? To be less selfconfident..?

- He saw no problem dragging millions of people into the war?
Well, it were the Jews who started it in 1933, by putting a boycot onto Germany in order to starve the German people into surrender
Matter of fact, Hitler tried everything to prevent the war and sent approx. 20 peace proposals to Churchill, but he would have none of it.
So guess who the warmongers really were back in the day?

- No respect for others?
The man respected his people like none other.
Matter of fact again; the guy received more fanmail then the Beatles, Mick Jagger and Madonna combined and didn't have to drive around
in armored vehicles. The people loved him. Now do you really think that would be the case if he would have no respect for anyone and he was a tyrant against his own people??

You really do not have the first idea do you Flare?
The NSDAP 'Declaration' is explicitly co-operative socialist as to polity.
What the Nazis did to bastardize their own Declaration was to expropriate the member-dividends generated by worker co-operatives ( set up by NSDAP) and employee- owned businesses ( encouraged by NSDAP as per Article 20 of their Declaration). Those dividends went to the State.
Basically they started out as good co-op socialists before the bullies took over and began robbing the bread from their own workers mouths to fund that war.
The one they lost.
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