TOPIC: Britain First - Tommy Robinson - controlled opposition

Truthspoon wrote: True, Libya was safe with Qaddafi. He's been gone for awhile now. It's not safe now

Rocco wrote:
Yeah well thanks for pointing out the bleeding obvious.

Egypt though isn't Libya.

Let me tell you a true story. I was staying in the far far west of Egypt at the Siwa oasis, right on the border with Libya. It was 2006. Siwa is the famous home of the Oracle of Delphi, the one who said that Socrates is the wisest man on Earth and that Alexander the Great would rule the known world. Anyway, there was no fucking booze. Totally dry town. So I borrowed a bike from my hotel and set off down the highway some 8 miles to the nearest booze spot which the locals of the town told me was by Lake Siwa.

So I got there, hot and dry, and I got fucking wrecked with the guys who worked there. One of them got his hash stash and we got high as fuck.
Got so drunk and high I ended up sleeping in the open by the lakeside.

Next morning came back to the hotel to find the whole town in uproar. Where had I gone? Why didn't I come back to my hotel at night?

Turns out they'd sent the fucking Egyptian army headed by a general to scour the desert to look for me, thinking I might have been abducted by terrorists or something.

Now that's what I call, service and security.

I thought I might be in some kind of trouble and I had to go to the police station to explain what had happened. I just told him I needed a beer and sorry about all the confusion. Smiled, shook hands with chief of police and and went about my business.

As long as the army is powerful and in command, then Egypt will remain relatively civilised.

There are some nutters in Egypt, but they don't control the country and they don't execute drilling crews on the road between Cairo and Alexandria. Egypt is ok by me.

^ Fucking hell.... page upon page of quoted and requoted texts again, mostly to be answered with oneliners.

Come on Rocco, Gan Anim, Truthspoon, porridge....

Shorten that shit up to a single quote or put the quoted texts behind spoilers as it's very annoying to read like this.

Truthspoon wrote: I worked in Egypt during the 2011 Uprising. It wasn't safe.

Flare wrote:
I try to do this regular & gets on my tits reading too.

I'm not interested in creating pretty scenes for Islam by trying to pretend it is somehow possible to differentiate between the overall type of society we have compared to the type of society they promote

In the 50s the Egyptians were laughing at the possibility of their women having to wear burkas and head coverings

Same with iran in the 70s , when apparently they had a western implanted Shah , the extremists took over with the help of commies and implemented another form of religious intolerance

And people try to tell me the Shah was a plant and the Ayatollahs are also plants

What has been achieved in the nations of european descent has nothing to do with what Islam would have done had it been in charge

The two are not the same and never will be

I am not saying there are no decent people there because obviously there are.

And contrary to popular belief around here , I don't think the psy op of gathering consent for war or trying to get people to sympathize with the Khazars in israel is going to work out as planned

Not when people begin to understand the difference in tone between Israeli '' we need a pure race country '' and then the '' you must be multi cultural '' for the Europeans

that particular meme would IMO be one of the most effective ways to show what is going on

Fact of the matter is there has never been a moment of enlightenment in Islamic nations , they continuously go from reform back to strict adherence in cycles

Literature is not widely available , technical knowledge is not widely available , opportunity for social change is not widely available

I am not saying we should ever go over there and demand they change their ways , that to me is a huge mistake

But it is also a mistake on their behalf to expect to come to our nations and have us change for them , to their ways

It will and is creating massive resentment

Frothy wrote: I'met good Syrian people...in Syria. The "Syrians" coming to Europe now are not like them.
dailystormer.name/germany-syrian-invader-rapes-disabled-woman-police-cover-it-up/

Trolly wrote

There is absolutely a way to clean up. But it would take some fucking spine and no current leader has it.

So who does represent Islam them trolly ?

Because every time someone from an islamic nation does something fucking stupid we are told ''oh but thats not Islam ''

so Saudi is not real Islam

Iran is not real Islam

Afghanistan is not real Islam

Pakistan is not real Islam

Malaysia is not real Islam

Turkey is not real Islam

fucking Somalia is not real Islam

where is Islam then ?

which nation on this Earth accurately represents the vision of Islam ?

Where is it and let's fucking see it then

MrAnderson wrote:
You're right. It all started with Saeed Kutub who created the Muslim brotherhood and ended the centuries of easy going chilled out Islam and created Fundamentalism. Admittedly for hundreds of years the Muslim world was at war with the West and enslaved many white Christians, but since the latter era of the Ottoman Empire there was a new understanding that an East-West synthesis would benefit the Muslim world, and so the Ottomans tried to mimic the West in many ways and since the Ottomans Turks themselves has never been the most radical and devoted converts to Islam, there was always a high degree of personal freedom within the Ottoman empire.

It's tragic how they have sent the Muslim world backwards over 1000 years...... and who benefits?

You already know the answer to that question surely?

A backward impoverished mass of peasant brained people, which is the voter base of The Muslim Brotherhood, those who have nothing and no hopes in this world take refuge in TOTAL RELIGION. And these nations then cannot compete with the economy and technology of Israel. Not to mention, Israel looks like the good guy if they can ensure that their 'enemy' nations are all overwhelmed by fundamentalist Muslim terrorists.

But if they had been given a chance, and been spared The Muslim Brotherhood and fundamentalism, these might have stood a chance.

Saeed Kutub was a Freemason and trained by the CIA.

Basically the Muslim world is and was a battle ground for the US and USSR. The Russians trained the secular minded military leaders and the government apparatus which would rule Egypt, Libya, Syria and Iraq among others. In their attempt to overthrow these powers the American CIA would train radical Islamic terrorists to overthrow these governments. And these battles are still being fought to this day, particularly in Syria. But the American terrorists were victorious in Iraq and Libya for instance.

Again, the Muslim world are the victims of foreign machinations, they didn't even get the chance to progress and be allowed to be free. That's honestly how I see it. I cannot convince myself into believing that these people are the bad guys because they're not and I've spent A LOT of time here in these countries.

www.inquiriesjournal.com/articles/248/islamic-modernism-responses-to-western-modernization-in-the-middle-east

By the nineteenth and early-twentieth centuries, a large part of the Muslim world had begun to lose much of its cultural and political sovereignty to Christian occupiers from Europe. This came as a result of European trade missions during earlier centuries that had propagated Western technology and modernization.
There was a large shift of power due to the declining Ottoman Empire, which led to an essential subordination of Muslims because of Western technology and modernization.
This subjugation by Christian empires led Muslims of the Middle East to question their own beliefs as well as their aspirations, making many wonder whether the success of Western occupation was due to the inferiority of their own Islamic ideals. Out of these self-criticisms came an assortment of responses, including adaptation of Western ideals, advocating for separation of religion and politics, complete rejection, and calls for armed struggle against Western powers. However, one of the major responses to western modernization and occupation of the Muslim world was Islamic modernism.1

Truthspoon wrote:
I appreciate what you are saying and having listened to many speakers from those nations who say similar things I tend to agree

I'm friends with a man from Lebanon who is fascinated with Celtic art and history , we have had some good long chats about whats going on in the world and I once said to him the majority of us over here don't want war with Islam or the people of the middle east

I said if you speak to most of us we are apologetic on behalf of what our stupid leaders have done especially after 9/11

But in response he said it is not that which fuels the divide between us , that we are both as bad as each other because in his part of the world they are teaching each other from birth that they are at war with us until we submit to Islam

He wants to be a photographer but all ways comes into contact with people of his kin who tell him thats Haram and he shouldn't be doing it , just taking pictures man

This cycle of religious fundamentalism is the same cycles the western world went through , shifting from enlightenment back to fundamentalism within generations and all ways its the average Joe that suffers , all ways

And now thanks to the (( bastards )) who wormed their way into positions of power in our nations we are expected to live side by side with an ideology that has not had the same moment of understanding that has happened in the western nations

We are somehow expected to shift our cultural norms to accommodate this ...

We even have institutions set up in the west to push the burka as a normal thing and a choice of women and children to wear

When really it's anything but and it does represent one of the huge chasms that exists between the mind sets here

When Ceasar went to Britain one of the people who put up a huge fight was Queen Boudica

that was 2000 years ago man just one Queen of many at the time

we have been on a different trajectory as people for a long , long time and now we are being asked to come together and find common ground before we have even got to the point where we understand who we even are and why

it's not going to go very well is it

and I think asking people of an Islamic mind set to live among the people their book tells them are the epitome of evil is only going to create resentment on both sides to be fair

I think it creates a reactionary existence in itself , as in , it's easier to get fundamentalist behavior on the go when there is living proof in front of them of all the bad things their book tells them is bad etc etc

it's going to be easier to get slow minded people on board with some crazy shit because they are surrounded by things their slow mind is taught are evil

not good

MrAnderson wrote:
Most of the Muslims I've spoken to realise that the people who control the world's government, including their own, have their own agendas and there's little to nothing they can do about it. The poor Muslims I met in Egypt in particular anticipated war and felt no fear, not because they wanted it, but because their lives could not get any worse or more difficult. Death for them would be a better alternative than living the daily endless struggle to survive which is the reality of most people in Egypt.

I've never met any religious nutters, all Muslims however believe in God of course, and they believe in the Quran at least nominally, but they don't externalise it's precepts, so most Muslims must at least have an understanding that perhaps God doesn't actually want them to kill Christians and Jews.

The problem is the Muslims who don't quite understand that distinction, and believe that God wants them to kill Christians and Jews.

I believe humans are fundamentally good, because nature creates things to work within its own system.

It takes a lot to make a person bad. Years of neglect and abuse, trauma pain etc. Do you see what I mean?

Even if there are mixed messages in Islam and the Quran I believe the normal Muslim would rationalise these in his own inner spiritual sense to see the best in other people.

Because the Quran is very much about mixed messages, and there is the possibility of interpreting it to suit your own wishes.

And since most Muslims are genuinely good people, like most people in the world, then they will selectively choose the 'better' parts of the Quran, and mentally edit out the more negative and muderous stuff in their own interpretation of being a Muslim.

Thing is with teaching children to see an enemy where there isnt one its almost impossible to reverse once they hit a certain age

Wiring the neurons or re wiring them is easy to do to a child and incredibly difficult to do with an adult

My Lebanese friend all ways says lets talk as humans not muslim and christian and thats the other thing even though he knows im not a practising christian his mind just auto tunes to the idea that all from europe are christians and he admits thats part of the doctrine he still struggles to see past

Anyway im glad this exchange just took place because hopefully it show im thinking about this on a philoaophical level and not from the perspective of someone who is just saying fuck them because of al qaeda or some shit like that

And you are right about the leaders calling the shots and thats the same in any nation the majority just go along to get along and its the vocal few who make so much noise about what everyon should be doing or shouldnt be doing

So its a bit like over in western nations there are plenty of us who would want our military to stop with the illegal regime change crap but what can we do about it really other than make noise ?

Again if it was up to me the people we call leaders would be in the Hague on trial for war crimes having broken international law and started wars for the purpose of regime change

The laws all ready exist but theres nobody to enforce it upon them yet

Which is another reason why i think de throning the absentee monarchy through a constitutional chellenge could open a lot of doors for people to address what their spineless leaders have done since 9/11 at least

Anybody got a list of "Right wing" politicians or leaders who are not controlled opposition ?

entrangermercenary1 wrote:
Were not allowed those

The trick is to make sure everyone is disgusted with politics so the only people who use the system are the ones who want to get rid of it

MrAnderson wrote: The trick is to distract us while they march us of to their Marxist Dystopia and the Gulag
Leftist lies 101,
"You're stuck in Left Right Paradigm"
"You're a Zionist"
"You're a Nazi"
"You're a Racist"
"You're a Fascist"
"You're a Capitalist"
"You're a Misogynist"
"You're a Sexist"
"Race is a Social Concept"
"Islam is peace"
"It's a private Company..."

MrAnderson wrote:
There's another version of that list,

"Soviet Union not real Socialism"
"Cuba not real Socialism"
"Romania not real Socialism"
"Belarus not real Socialism"
"East Germany not real Socialism"
"Hungary was real Socialism"
"Bulgaria was real Socialism"
"Cambodia not real Socialism"
"Venezuela not real Socialism"
"China not real Socialism"
"North Korea not real Socialism"
"Laos not real Socialism"
"Burma not real Socialism"
"Nicaragua not real Socialism"
"El Salvador not real Socialism"
"Bolivia not real Socialism"

"But we're gonna get it right next time"

Rocco wrote:
I will bet you $100 nobody can show me the real Islam

I already see the signs they're working on creating a "moderate Islam". This will be the NWO State Religion. Submission and all