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TOPIC: The Earth is Convex not Concave

The Earth is Convex not Concave 03 Oct 2014 09:58 #101

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Mario wrote:

http://www.garthmullins.com/2013/03/radio-silence-podcast.html 




No. no ............ & Yes!

This effect makes actual level rod readings too large by:
Curvature of the earth:Effect of Curvature on Readings
The earth appears to “fall away” with distance. The curved shape of the earth means that the level surface through the telescope will depart from the horizontal plane through the telescope as the line of sight proceeds to the horizon.


Atmospheric Refraction:Effect of Refraction
Refraction is largely a function of atmospheric pressure and temperature gradients, which may cause:

the bending to be up or down by extremely variable amounts.

There are basically three types of temperature gradient (dT/dh):

Absorption: occurs mainly at night when the colder ground absorbs heat from the atmosphere.

This causes the atmospheric temperature to increase with distance from the ground and dT/dh > 0.

Emission: occurs mainly during the day when the warmer ground emits heat into the atmosphere, resulting in a negative temperature gradient, i.e. dT/dh < 0.

Equilibrium: no heat transfer takes place (dT/dh = 0) and occurs only briefly in the evening and morning.

The result of dT/dh < 0 is to cause the light ray to be convex to the ground rather than concave as generally shown.

This effect increases the closer to the ground the light ray gets and errors in the region of 5 mm/km have resulted.

The atmosphere refracts the horizontal line of sight downward, making the level rod reading smaller. The typical effect of refraction is equal to about 14% of the effect of earth curvature.
http://www.aboutcivil.org/curvature-and-refraction.html 




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As I said don't base everything on your two eyes only because there is much more to prove a point of reality!


Here at Solid Signal we are asked all the time about the antennas that claim to get stations over 150 miles away. Long story short is it's a scam. There isn't an antenna that can actually receive stations from that distance. The reason for this is the curvature of the Earth.

Can antennas go over 100 miles?
Yes, in "optimal conditions”, but it is not typical. In most cases there will be environmental elements that will impede or completely block the delivery of signal to your home at this range.

It is better to try and pull in signals closer to you if available.
http://blog.solidsignal.com/content.php/2466-Can-an-antenna-get-signals-from-150-miles-away 


INTRODUCTION:
RADAR is an acronym for RAdio Detection And Ranging. The underlying principles are well known:


Since some objects are capable of reflecting radio waves, it is possible to detect the location and track the movement of those objects by sending out a radio signal and observing the signal's "return" at a receiving station. Usually, we think of radar as being a two-way system that includes the transmitter and receiver in a more-or-less self contained and centralized arrangement. That's the classic combination we're familiar with in tracking aircraft, weather systems, speeding motorists, baseballs, etc.

The term "Passive Radar" refers to an alternative method whereby signals from ordinary radio transmitters, such as those of commercial broadcast stations, are used instead of a dedicated radar transmitter. This has the obvious benefit of saving a substantial amount of money, and it also allows a great deal of flexibility, since signals from transmitters at many different locations and operating on many different frequencies can be called into play for use as the designated radar signal.

Passive radar has received a lot of attention for its advantages in military applications, and many amateur radio astronomers use a variation on the theme to observe meteor activity (more about this in a bit.)

In 2004, Peter Davenport of the National UFO Reporting Center (NUFORC), published a paper entitled:

"USING MULTISTATIC PASSIVE RADAR FOR REAL-TIME DETECTION OF UFO’S IN THE NEAR-EARTH ENVIRONMENT"

The term "multistatic" simply refers to using signals transmitted from multiple fixed locations instead of relying on just one or two transmitters. Davenport proposes a system whereby customized receiving equipment and software would be used to monitor the airwaves and analyze incoming radio signals (specifically, signal reflections from commercial FM broadcast stations) to look for certain unusual behavior patterns that might indicate UFO activity.

An Almost Free DIY Passive Radar System:
As mentioned above, many amateur radio astronomers participate in the hobby of monitoring meteor activity by radio. The principle behind this is that the signal from a distant radio station can "bounce" off the ionized trail of a falling meteorite, and a normally inaudible signal may suddenly be heard for a few brief seconds.

Our goal will be to model a UFO detection system based upon the methods used for observing meteors by radio. The principle is similar, with the premise that UFOs are also capable of reflecting radio waves and therefore can make it possible to receive signals from stations that are ordinarily too distant to be heard.

We should explain that FM radio signals are known to travel in a "line of sight". Unlike radio waves at lower frequencies, such as the AM and Short Wave bands, signals at FM wavelengths will not follow the curvature of the earth, so they generally won't travel more than about 90 miles before zooming straight out over the horizon and off into space. Higher and more directional antennas can increase the range, but 120-150 miles is pretty much the extreme limit for terrestrial point-to-point FM transmission.

In addition to simple reflection, there may - and probably will - be other unusual radio frequency effects that occur due to the presence and movements of UFOs. Having a network of dedicated listeners sharing the details of what they observe, and cross-referencing their data with reports of visual UFO sightings, could go a long way toward establishing a new era of scientific progress in UFO research.
http://www.gobeyondnow.com/passive_radar_ufo_detection.htm 


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The Earth is Convex not Concave 04 Oct 2014 08:20 #102

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I would like to point out that this thread is not, as some claim, a "parody" thread. It is a response. It is no surprise to me that the Skycentric team have chosen yet again to promote another deception.

For those who want to know what all the fuss is about, this is the best rational overview I have found. Well written and referenced.

www.facstaff.bucknell.edu/dgriffin/research/griffin-he_in_science.pdf

A member has asked that I review the works of Johannes Lang. I have been unable so far to find them. He is referenced in this excerpt from the above link, probably the most relevant section to this discussion.
The conception of Earth as a hollow sphere in an otherwise Copernican universe
(as invoked by Kircher, Burnet, Halley, Euler and Leslie) is the most intuitive conception
of the hollow Earth. The geocosmos, in which Earth’s surface occupies the interior shell
of a hollow sphere containing the entire universe, requires considerably more
imagination. Its modern form originated in the mind of Cyrus Reed Teed, an Eclectical
physician and practicing “electro-alchemist” from Utica, New York (see Kafton-Minkel
and Gardner for accounts of Teed’s remarkable history). In 1869, Teed had a mystical
experience in which he received the revelation that he was the living incarnation of
Christ. He also came to understand that the Copernican conception of the universe was
backwards. According to Teed’s “Cellular Cosmogony,” Earth is a hollow sphere that
contains the entire universe. We live on the inside surface.
Teed changed his name to Koresh, established a religious cult (“Koreshenity”)
that grew to be national in scope, and eventually established a utopian commune Florida.
There, adopting the outer appearances of scientific inquiry, Teed and some of his
followers organized the Koreshan Geodetic Survey and conducted an experiment to
prove Earth’s concavity. Using a specially-constructed apparatus dubbed the
“rectilliniator,” the Survey spent five months in 1897 patiently moving the device along a25
six kilometer-long stretch of beach. Not surprisingly, the results of the survey were
exactly as Teed predicted—Earth’s surface proved to be concave (Gardner, Fads… 24).
While it is not clear whether or not Teed was consciously aware of it or not, his
geocosmos reflects the alchemical conception of the hermetic egg, the rotundum within
which, as Nelson (137) notes, microcosm and macrocosm— “cosmos, globe, and human
soul”—converge. Its genius lies in the fact that reconstitutes the geocentric universe (with
the comfortable reassurance that Earth, and thus humanity, occupies a privileged place in
a cosmos that is not only finite, but bounded at a humanly meaningful scale) in a way that
is still consistent with contemporary astronomy, provided one doesn’t look too closely.
Teed ensured that close examination would be unlikely by couching his theory within an
excruciatingly complicated cosmology and adopting the strategy of describing it in
impenetrable, scientific-sounding prose.
Teed died in 1908 (Koreshenity—including the commune of Estero, Florida—
persisted into the early 1950s), a decade or so before a German pilot named Peter Bender
came across several copies of the Koreshan’s Flaming Sword in a stack of American
magazines in a French prisoner-of-war camp during World War I. Bender was won over
by Teed’s geocosmos. After the war, he returned to Germany where he developed and
promoted the idea, which he dubbed the hohlweltlehre (“hollow Earth doctrine,”
sometimes also referred to as hohlwelttheorie). He abandoned the religious aspects of
Koreshenity and simplified Teed’s byzantine labyrinth of concepts and ideas to a simpler,
though still bizarre, mechanism to reconcile observed nature with the concave conception
of Earth.

Bender’s hohlweltlehre like other hollow-Earth theories before and since,
attracted its share of supporters, though none from within the ranks of mainstream
astronomers or Earth scientists. He was, however, able to muster enough political support
to manage two tests of his theory. The first of these was an attempt, in 1933, to build a
rocket and launch it straight up into the sky. If Bender’s hollow-earth idea was correct,
the rocket should have crashed into the opposite side of the planet. Instead, it failed to
launch and crashed a few hundred meters from its launch pad.
The second test came about through Bender’s connection (dating to his World
War I pilot days) with Hermann Göring and the interests of a group of German Naval
Research Institute officers who sought methods for locating enemy ships based on fringe
ideas such as pendulum swinging and the hohlweltlehre. These officers gained approval
to send an expedition to Rügen Island (in the Baltic Sea) to try and detect British ships
using powerful telescopic cameras pointed upwards across Earth’s concavity. Bender
claimed that the apparent convexity of Earth’s surface is due to the refraction of visible
light passing through the atmosphere. If Earth’s surface were concave, the officers
reasoned, photographs taken using infrared filters (infrared radiation is not refracted by
the atmosphere) should show parts of the North Atlantic and Baltic, and the positions of
British ships in those waters could be known. The failure of the Rügen Island experiment
proved embarrassing to the Nazi High Command, and Bender, his wife, and some of his
followers perished in death camps as a result.
Another German, Karl E. Neupert, published a pamphlet titled Mechanik des
Aethers, Gegen die Irrlehren des Kopernicus (“Mechanics of the Ether: Against the
Erroneous Teachings of Copernicus”) in 1901, and a book-length treatment titled simply27
Geocosmos in 1942. Neupert collaborated with Bender until his unfortunate demise, and
after the war, he and another of Bender’s follower, Johannes Lang, continued to
publishing booklets and magazines on the subject promoting the idea. Neupert died in
1949, but Lang carried on, publishing a journal called Geocosmos into the 1960s. Neupert
and Lang, like Teed and his followers, distributed their writings widely, and at some
point, one of these copies caught the attention of Mostafa Abdelkader, who alone among
those who have encountered it was in a position to re-introduce the hollow Earth concept
back into the realm of mainstream science.

Always bearing in mind that Hitler's Germany is demonised by mainstream, and there us a reference to "death camp", nevertheless the article is useful in bringing people up to speed regarding the background to the CE theory.

Now, if the poster is serious about having a review done on Johannes Lang, perhaps a link to a source where I can actually READ his writings would be in order? Always bearing in mind that I do not read German.
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The Earth is Convex not Concave 04 Oct 2014 10:19 #103

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I would like posts 104 and 105 (and any subsequent derailing posts) to be moved to an excerpt thread, so that people get a chance to read post 103, which has real content

I'm searching for stuff which relates to the start of the entire story making; so I finally found something which makes sense why they created this fiction story for the masses & easy believers.

I may found it after all & it makes logical sense how the story came to be in a big way.......... !!!

Now I think to know how this all came to be &
must relate directly to this bouncing off reality of radio/radar signals waves from the ionosphere & of-cause relates to NAZI propaganda programmings. .


Yes viewing at indirectly from the ionosphere which is invisible to the eye you could say we living within the Sphere of the ionosphere where radio waves will bounce of.

Also I like the Header text & so fitting; because you can read it in two ways. "THE HOLLOW WORLD OF NAZIS" :chuckle:
The hollow heads of the NAZIS >>>
NAZIS were strange occult followers (with there doctrine systems) YES/NO?...........
Pre-Nazi secret society (the Vril Society) YES/NO?...........


The engineer Willy Ley reports the same facts in its written in May 1947 study Pseudoscience in Nazi country [1] . As amazing as it sounds, it is true: high Nazi officials and military experts flatly denied what is an obvious truth for every little child of our civilized world, namely that the Earth is a sphere and that we outside, living on its surface.
Would anyone out there really trust a NAZI story ..... not even knowing yet who they really were.

Strange & fantastic NAZI Hitler believes all over with there great storrys


Google translation :

THE HOLLOW WORLD OF NAZIS
by Louis Pauwels and Jacques Bergier

Fig. 1 The hollow world teaching promoted a world view, according to which we live on the inside of a huge hollow sphere.

Fig. 1 The hollow world teaching promoted a world view, according to which we live on the inside of a huge hollow sphere.
We write the month of April of the year 1942nd Germany sacrificed all his forces for war. Nothing, it seems, the technicians, the scholars and the generals can distract from their immediate task. And yet leaves a mysterious expedition with the approval of Goering, Himmler and Hitler the mainland. The members of this research group are some of the best German radar specialists.

Under the leadership of Dr. Heinz Fischer, who has made ​​his work on the infrared rays a name, they land on the Baltic Sea island of Rügen . They are equipped with the most perfect radars. There are at this time only a few of these devices, and they are needed especially at the critical points of the German defense. The observations, however, which is located on the island of Rügen to devote, be considered in the General Staff of the Navy as indispensable to the offensive, Hitler prepared on all fronts.

No sooner landed, can Dr. Fischer the device at an angle of 45 degrees set against the sky. In the chosen direction, however, is obviously nothing to discover. The other members of the expedition believe that it was an attempt. You have no idea what is expected of them. The purpose of the investigation is to be communicated to them later. Astonished, she noted that the radars remain in the same position for several days.

But then comes the explanation: The leader has good reason to believe that the earth is not convex but concave. We do not dwell on the earth, but the inside and are thus comparable fly, moving over the inner surface of a glass ball. The expedition was ordered to provide the scientific proof of this truth. By the reflection of radar waves, which propagate in a straight line, you would get pictures of the most distant points inside the sphere. The second object of the expedition was to procure by reflectivity images of the anchored at Scapa Flow English fleet.

Martin Gardner reported about this crazy business of Pomerania in his work In the Name of Science . Dr. Fischer himself plays after the war to them. Professor Gerard P. Kuiper from the observatory at Mount Palomar was dedicated in 1946 a series of articles in the hollow world teaching which had given rise to this expedition. So he writes in Popular Astronomy : "Important personalities in the German Navy and the Air Force believed in the hollow world teaching Above all, they thought that it pursuant to this doctrine is possible to observe the movements of the British fleet, because the concave curvature of the earth. would allow observations on very long distances by means of infrared rays passing yes less curved than the visible rays. "

The engineer Willy Ley reports the same facts in its written in May 1947 study Pseudoscience in Nazi country [1] . As amazing as it sounds, it is true: high Nazi officials and military experts flatly denied what is an obvious truth for every little child of our civilized world, namely that the Earth is a sphere and that we outside, living on its surface. About us thinks the little child, extends the endless firmament with its myriads of stars and galaxies. Below us is the rock of the earth.

Fig. 2 In the Third Reich had the hollow world-teaching 'boom'. Picture: The cover of John Lang's book "The Hollow Earth Theory" in the second edition of 1938

Fig. 2 In the Third Reich had the hollow world-teaching 'boom'. Picture: The cover of John Lang's book "The Hollow Earth Theory" in the second edition of 1938
Whether the child is French, English, American or Russian, it's true in this view entirely consistent with the official science and as with all recognized religious and philosophical theses. Our morals, our art and our art based on this view, which seems proved by the experience. If anything can make the uniformity of modern culture clearly, then surely the cosmogony, which we all recognize. About the essentials, namely the position of man and the earth in the universe, we are all of one mind, if we may be Marxists or not. Only the Nazis did not share this view.

For supporters of the hollow world teaching that those famous pseudo-scientific expedition to the island of Rügen organized, we live inside a sphere and are thus trapped in a rock mass that extends to infinity. We adhere to a certain extent on the concave inner side of the ball, in the middle of the sky is located. This in turn is a mass of bluish gas with shiny light dots, which we consider stars. There is only the sun and the moon, but they are infinitely smaller than the orthodox astronomers say. But this exhausts the universe. We are alone, trapped in the rock.

We want to see how this view is now created once. This figure is derived from legends, from intuitive promptings and inspirations. A nation that is involved in a war in which the technique is everything, demanded in 1942 by science, they should support the mysticism, and mysticism, they should enrich the art.

Also in Paris or London, there are eccentric thinker, discoverer of perverse cosmogonies, prophets of all sorts of craziness. You write pamphlets, they rummage in the back rooms of bookstores around, they make speeches in Hyde Park or in the " Salle de Géographie "on the Boulevard Saint-Germain. In Hitler's Germany, however we experience it that people this kind mobilize the energies of the nation and the technical equipment of a army at war. We experience it, that they exert on the general staff, politicians and scientists a decisive influence.

We are facing a whole new school of thought here, based on the contempt of classical culture and reason. The intuition, mysticism, poetic inspiration are ranked here on a par with scientific research and rational knowledge. "When I hear talk of culture, I draw my revolver," said Goering. This sentence is frightening in two respects: first, in the literal sense of the Göring-Ubu shows us how he strikes the intellectuals of the skull, on the other, but in a much deeper and for what we call culture, much more dangerous sense, because here shows us a Goering, the explosive rounds as the Hörbigersche cosmogony [cf. to: Hanns Hoerbiger: A universe of fire and ice? ; d.Red.], the hollow world teaching or the mysticism of the Thule Society fires.

The hollow world teaching was at the beginning of the 19th century in America was born. On April 10, 1818 all members of the American Congress, the rectors of the universities and some eminent scientists received the following letter: "Saint Louis, Missouri, North America, April 19, at the world I hereby declare that the earth is hollow and.! in its interior is habitable. contains several concentric solid spheres that are nested, and is provided at the pole with an aperture 12 to 16 degrees. I do pledge myself to prove the truth of my assertion, and am ready, the interior to explore the world, if the world decides to support me in my projects. Jno. Cleves Symnes, captain of infantry retired from Ohio. "

Fig. 3 Cyrus Teed said in 1870 that the earth is hollow.

Fig. 3 Cyrus Teed said in 1870 that the earth is hollow.
Sprague de Camp and Willy Ley put into their beautiful work The Lands beyond the theory and the adventure of the former captain of infantry composed as follows: "Symnes asserts that since everything is hollow in the world, such as the bones, hair, the plant stem, the planet would have to be hollow and that one can distinguish five spherical structures in the case of the earth, which are pushed into each other and each of which is habitable both inside and out. Moreover, they are equipped at the poles with large openings, so that the inhabitants of each ball itself could go to another and also on the outside of any point on the inside, as an ant, the first runs on the inner and on the outer surface of a porcelain ball ...

Symnes drew on his lecture tours such as election campaigns. At his death he left behind piles of notes and the small wooden model of his world, which is located in the Academy of Natural Sciences of Philadelphia at the time. His son, Americ Vespucius Symes, was one of his students and tried to summarize the posthumous notes to a single band. He added a hypothesis, according to which, when the time was fulfilled, which would ten lost tribes of Israel who probably lived in the innermost of the balls found again. "

In 1870 another American, claims Cyrus Read Teed (Fig. 3), also, that the earth is hollow. Teed was a highly educated man who had particularly concerned with the alchemical literature. 1869, while he was working in his laboratory and meditating on the Book of Isaiah, he had an epiphany. He realized at once that we do not dwell on the earth, but in its interior. Since this vision in his view certain old legends confirmed, he founded a kind of religion and proclaimed his doctrine in a small journal that he titled The Sword of Fire. In 1894 he had already won more than four thousand fanatical followers. He gave his religion a name: the Koreschismus. In 1908, he died after he proclaimed that his body will not go into decay. Two days after his death, however, saw his followers compelled to embalm him.

This idea of ​​the hollow earth continues a tradition that everywhere one encounters and at all times. The oldest works of religious literature speak of a separate, situated below the earth's crust world in which the dead and the spirits dwell. As Gilgamesh , the legendary hero of the Old Sumerian and Babylonian epics, his ancestor Utnapishtim wants to visit, he rises into the earth down, and here also examined Orpheus the soul of his Eurydice . Odysseus brings, when he arrived at the borders of the West, a victims, so that the spirits of the departed to come up out of the depths of the earth and give him their advice.

Pluton prevails in the underworld over the spirits of the dead. And there banish the Germanic legends and Venus. Dante moved to hell in the inner circles. In European folklore the dragon live under the earth, and the Japanese imagine that in the depths of their island a monster dwells, let the twitches shake the earth.

Fig. 4 British writer Edward George Bulwer-Lytton, Baron (1803-1873) delivered his 1871 novel, "The Coming Race" a literary model for later hollow-world theories.

Fig. 4 British writer Edward George Bulwer-Lytton, Baron (1803-1873) delivered his 1871 novel, "The Coming Race" a literary model for later hollow-world theories.
We have already spoken of the pre-Nazi secret society, the Vril Society, the blended these legends with the theses, the English writer Bulwer-Lytton (Fig. 4) had set up in his novel The Coming Race. According to the members of this group inhabit beings as we have higher psychic powers, caves in the center of the earth. One day they will come out to take dominion over us.

After the end of World War II discovered [Peter] Bender, a young German pilot who had fallen into French captivity, some old copies of Teed's periodical The Sword of Fire and several propaganda pamphlets in which the claim was held that the earth was hollow. He feels challenged by this doctrine finds itself a kind of enlightenment and developed the doctrine further. After his return to Germany he founded a movement that Hohlwelt teaching. He draws on the work of another American, Marshall B. Gardner, who had published a book in 1913 in which he wanted to prove that the sun is not above the earth, but, at its heart, and that their rays exert a pressure festbannt us on the concave surface.

For Bender, the earth is a sphere with the same dimensions, which ascribes to it the orthodox geography; but it is hollow, and life is recorded by means of some of the sun outgoing rays on its inner surface. Above this are endless rock masses. The layer of air inside the ball is sixty kilometers high, then diluted more and more to the absolutely empty space in the center, floating in the three bodies: the sun, the moon and the Space Phantom.

The Space Phantom is a ball of bluish gas, glimmer in the light grains, which are referred to by astronomers as a star. It is night on a portion of the concave surface of the earth, if this blue mass passes in front of the sun and causes the shadow of the earth eclipses the moon. We believe in an external universe, which is above us, because the light rays do not move in a straight line: they are, with the exception of the infrared radiation, curved. This theory Benders should be popular around 1930. Leading personalities of the Third Reich, senior officers of the Navy and the Air Force believed in the hollow world teaching.

It seems to us quite incomprehensible that men who had taken over the leadership of a nation, were directed in their actions partly by mystical intuitions, who denied the existence of our universe. However, one must remember that in Germany the common man, the man in the street, who had suffered severely from the economic crisis and unemployment, around 1930, the theories of the hollow world teaching also not insane occurred as the idea that a tiny grain of matter unlimited energy sources could contain, or the idea of ​​a four-dimensional world.

Science had taken a path since the end of the 19th century, which was no longer that of the so-called common sense. For naive, unhappy and mystically inclined people every fantastic idea was believable, especially when it was so evident and comforting as the hollow world teaching. Hitler and his companions were men of the people and opponents of pure intellect; them had the idea Benders seem much more plausible than Einstein's theories, which presuppose an infinitely complicated and extremely elusive world.

Fig. 5 J. Lang was one of the authors who made popular the hollow world-teaching in the early 1930s in Germany. His "The new world view" was published in several editions (1933, 1935, 1937, 1941 and 1949 under the title "The new world view of the Hollow Earth Theory.")

Fig. 5 J. Lang was one of the authors who made ​​popular the hollow world-teaching in the early 1930s in Germany. His "The new world view" was published in several editions (1933, 1935, 1937, 1941 and 1949 under the title "The new world view of the Hollow Earth Theory.")
Although the Bendersche world was obviously just as irrational as that of Einstein conjured up, but to understand it, it took a certain extent only a madness of the first degree. Bender built his explanation of the world in crazy conditions on, but the further development of his thoughts was in accordance with reason. The madman has lost everything, just not the reason!

The hollow world teaching that hinstellte the people as the only spirit gifted creatures, the universe was limited to the dimensions of the earth and the people gave the feeling that he was surrounded, captured, was protected as the fetus in the womb, satisfy certain hopes of the unfortunate soul who in was offended their pride and full of hatred to the external world. She was also the only German thesis that could oppose the Jews Einstein.

Einstein's theory is based on the experiments by Michelson and Morley , by which they demonstrated that the speed of light traveling parallel to the earth's rotation, is equal to the velocity of the light beams are perpendicular to the ground motion. Einstein concludes that the light is not "supported" by any means, but itself consists of independent corpuscles. From this datum starting noted Einstein that the light contracts in the sense of movement and that there is a light energy.

After Benders system the earth is hollow and therefore does not move. There is no Michelson effect for him. The hollow world teaching carries the reality so apparently account both Einstein's theory. At that time Einstein's ideas were not underpinned by any experimental verification: no atomic bomb had reiterated these thoughts on an equally absolute and terrifying way. The leaders of National Socialism considered themselves entitled to deny the work of the brilliant Jews each value. So they began their pursuit tactics against the Jewish scholars and their fight against the official science.

Einstein, Teller, Fermi and a number of other important men had to emigrate. They found a hospitable reception in the United States, where they were abundant funds and excellently equipped laboratories were provided. It was here that the foundation for the nuclear power America. The buoyancy of the occult forces in Germany was the one who gave the Americans the atomic energy.

The main research center of the U.S. Army is located in Dayton, in the State of Ohio. In 1957 it became known that he had succeeded in this laboratory research facility to achieve a temperature of a million degrees. But the man said this was successful extra-ordinary experiment was Dr. Heinz Fischer - it was the same Heinz Fischer, who had once led the expedition to the island of Rügen, which should confirm the theses of the hollow world teaching. As the American journalist asked him about his past, he said: "The Nazis had me do the work of a madman and affected so much of the progress of my research." Man may wonder what would have happened, and how the war would have developed if the research Dr. Fischer had not been interrupted in favor of the mystic Bender ...

Following the negative outcome of the experiments on the island of Rügen , the renown Benders dropped in the eyes of the Nazi leaders, despite the protection that Goering had bestowed the former heroes of aviation, for he felt sympathy. The trailer Hörbigers , the advocates of Welteislehre , carried the day. Bender finally came to a concentration camp, where he died. Thus the hollow world teaching had received their martyr.

But long before the mad expedition to Rügen , the students had Hörbigers Bender showered with scorn and called for the ban of his writings. The Hörbigersche system laid claim to being a binding for all teaching: one could not simultaneously believe in a cosmos, fought a never ending battle in the ice and fire, and a trapped in endless rock masses world. Hitler was asked to arbitrate. His answer was food for thought: "We do not need any common understanding of the structure of the world. You can both of you are right. "What matters is not the context and the unity of vision, it is the destruction of the product derived from the logic systems of rational methods of thought, it is the mystical dynamics and the explosive force of the intuition. Place in the dark areas of the shimmering magic of mind for more than a spark.
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The Earth is Convex not Concave 04 Oct 2014 11:48 #104

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The Earth is Convex not Concave 15 Oct 2014 18:31 #105

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To understand who rules over you look to whom you tube can't criticise

The media isn't there to cover the news
It's there to cover the news up

All establishment lies pass through three stages
First, they are accepted as being self evident
Second, they are exposed by diligent research
Third, they are enforced

"Communism is the bloodiest, most difficult and the most terrible way from capitalism to capitalism" from Under the Sign of the Scorpion by Juri Lina
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The Earth is Convex not Concave 19 Oct 2014 10:10 #106

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Seems like any attempt to challenge ANY of the basic tenets of skycentrism is met with stonewalling. It cannot be legitimately challenged! it is TRUE! The horizon is always FLAT! There is a giant octagon in the centre of the skycentric universe surmounted by the sun. There is a glass sky, and NASA punch holes in it with their rockets....

If you thought David Icke's spaceship Moon was suspect, how much moreso this fabulous construct!

As above so below, the octagon in the centre is really a reflected Masonic pyramid, and the Sun at is apex is the All Seeing Eye


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The media isn't there to cover the news
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All establishment lies pass through three stages
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Second, they are exposed by diligent research
Third, they are enforced

"Communism is the bloodiest, most difficult and the most terrible way from capitalism to capitalism" from Under the Sign of the Scorpion by Juri Lina
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The Earth is Convex not Concave 19 Oct 2014 18:40 #107

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And as if to confirm my previous post, sky posts this

truth-zone.net/forum/science-and-physics/63418-skycentrism-we-live-inside-the-earth.html?start=1040#134678

I definitely think one should gen up on Hermes and the Hermetic tradition.

Here's a primer, afterwards read the book "Under the Sign of the Scorpion"



Another resource, compiled by yours truly

www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=88058
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The Earth is Convex not Concave 19 Oct 2014 23:47 #108

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The media isn't there to cover the news
It's there to cover the news up

All establishment lies pass through three stages
First, they are accepted as being self evident
Second, they are exposed by diligent research
Third, they are enforced

"Communism is the bloodiest, most difficult and the most terrible way from capitalism to capitalism" from Under the Sign of the Scorpion by Juri Lina
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The Earth is Convex not Concave 21 Oct 2014 00:08 #109

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That's a brave avatar you got right there



I think it is time to show clearly the Jewish Freemasonic nature of Skyscentrism, maybe we can save pfiz yet...

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"Communism is the bloodiest, most difficult and the most terrible way from capitalism to capitalism" from Under the Sign of the Scorpion by Juri Lina
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The Earth is Convex not Concave 21 Oct 2014 08:51 #110

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I think it is time to show clearly the Jewish Freemasonic nature of Skyscentrism

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First and last Pole in space greets you.



www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/1497686/Miroslaw-Hermaszewski
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That's a brave avatar you got right there



I think it is time to show clearly the Jewish Freemasonic nature of Skyscentrism, maybe we can save pfiz yet...

See above posts


What a "brave" deed of your m-ool


The only one who looks (avatar) and behaves (typical) like a JEWISH FREEMASONIC INSTIGATOR is you, rodin,
and I am quite sure that I don't want to be "saved" by you :rofl:

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The Earth is Convex not Concave 21 Oct 2014 09:43 #112

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Let's see what the first and last Pole in space has to say about the curvature of Earth :)

Nice sign, BTW.



fakty.interia.pl/tylko-u-nas/news-miroslaw-hermaszewski-felix-baumgartner-jest-bohaterem,nId,924174#.arch.wkopi.plutm_source=paste&utm_medium=paste&utm_campaign=chrome

"From a space shuttle you can see the curvature, Baumgartner didn't see any curve"

39 km and no curvature :)
We have a lie and a truth here from comrade Hermaszewski. He didn't see any curve as well :)
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The Earth is Convex not Concave 21 Oct 2014 10:10 #113

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Keep pushing your balloon 'curvature' bollocks, rodin :thumbup:

Your thread is a laugh, so is your curvature hunting and your shitty panorama. :)


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The Earth is Convex not Concave 21 Oct 2014 11:03 #114

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Keep pushing your balloon 'curvature' bollocks, rodin :thumbup:

Your thread is a laugh, so is your curvature hunting and your shitty panorama. :)



Your first you tube merely proves my point, well made I thought. What do other members of the forum think? Who is the liar, Sky or rodin? Is the horizon convex as photographed in that rocket sequence, or no?
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The Earth is Convex not Concave 21 Oct 2014 11:07 #115

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Your first you tube merely proves my point, well made I thought. What do other members of the forum think? Who is the liar, Sky or rodin? Is the horizon convex as photographed in that rocket sequence, or no?


Let's have a POLL, rodin!

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The Earth is Convex not Concave 21 Oct 2014 11:12 #116

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+1 for rodin :cool2:

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Is the horizon convex as photographed in that rocket sequence, or no?

As for a manipulation it is damn convex ! :larf:
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rodin wrote:

Your first you tube merely proves my point, well made I thought. What do other members of the forum think? Who is the liar, Sky or rodin? Is the horizon convex as photographed in that rocket sequence, or no?


Let's have a POLL, rodin!

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Woohoo, rodin is threatening :O

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Woohoo, rodin is threatening :O


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