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Rodin's Photon Challange 09 Apr 2015 09:26 #41

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Dear boy, there IS a difference between the detectors. Each one has a detecting substrate, and these cannot be made EXACTLY the same. It's a bit like expecting 2 identical snowflakes every time.... Therefore regardless if they get exactly the same radiation they will fire according to nanocrystal defect distribution which is random. At higher intensities this randomness is lost due to massive sampling numbers, but at low intensity you get one grain firing at a time.

Plant a row of carrot seeds at exactly the same depth. Do they all sprout at the same instance?

Oh sonny boy :facepalm:

From the experiment description.
The collection optics and detection systems for the three
detectors ~G, T, and R! are identical.



Do you comprehend this what I say?

Nice try but again a fail.

Again from the experiment description.
The SPCMs use an avalanche photodiode operated in Geiger
mode to detect the light. They output a 30 ns, 4.5 V ~into
50 V! pulse when they detect a photon, with a 50 ns dead
time between pulses. The SPCMs have a specified quantum
efficiency of ;50% at 810 nm, and the model we used had
dark count rates of ;250 cps. With this dark count rate and
our 2.5-ns coincidence window, coincidences due to dark
counts are negligible

So let's look at Gieger mode SPCM's Single Photon Counting Modules (SPCMs)
Avalanche photodiodes (APDs) can be operated in the Geiger mode for photon counting. Here, the applied reverse voltage is slightly above the avalanche breakdown voltage. An electron can then be triggered by a single photon, and must be stopped by lowering the voltage for a short time interval, which determines the dead time. Depending on the wavelength, the quantum efficiency can be well above 50%. The dark count rate can be strongly reduced by cooling the diode, but this can increase the rate of after-pulses caused by trapped electrical carriers. Silicon-based APDs are used between roughly 350 and 1050 nm and can reach dark count rates of only a few hertz. A typical r.m.s. timing jitter is some tens of picoseconds. For longer wavelengths in the near-infrared region, devices based on indium gallium arsenide (InGaAs) and indium phosphide (InP) or germanium (Ge) are used. Their quantum efficiency is lower than that of silicon devices in the visible spectrum, but higher than for IR photomultipliers. Count rates are typically limited to a few megahertz, or more for silicon APDs.
www.rp-photonics.com/photon_counting.html




So an electron gets charged and emits a pulse, not crystals being charged.

As far as 'take it apart' with reference to this experiment, you're not completing your challenge.
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Rodin's Photon Challange 09 Apr 2015 18:14 #42

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BT do you really think it is possible to make 3 completely identical detectors down to the photon detection precision? :facepalm: I mean how far has nanotechnology come....
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BT do you really think it is possible to make 3 completely identical detectors down to the photon detection precision? :facepalm: I mean how far has nanotechnology come....


:facepalm: Have you not heard of amplification?
Photomultiplier operation

Photons enter the photomultiplier tube and strike the photocathode. When this occurs, electrons are produced as a result of the photoelectric effect.

Once the electrons have been generated they are directed towards an area of the photomultiplier called the electron multiplier. As the name suggests, this area serves to increase or multiply the number of electrons by a process known as secondary emission.

The electron multiplier is made up from a number of electrodes, called dynodes. These dynodes have different voltages on them, each one is more positive voltage than the previous one to provide the required environment to produce the electron multiplication effect. This operates by pulling electrons progressively towards the more positive areas in the following way. The electrons leave the photocathode with the energy received from the incoming photon. They move towards the first dynode and they are accelerated by the electric field and they arrive with much greater energy than they left the cathode. When they strike the first dynode more low energy electrons are released, and these are in turn attracted by the greater positive field of the next dynode, and these electrons are similarly accelerated by the greater positive potential of the second dynode, and this process is repeated along all the dynodes until the electrons reach the anode where they are collected.

The geometry of the dynode chain is carefully designed so that a cascade effect occurs along its length with an ever increasing number of electrons being produced at each stage. When the anode is reached, the accumulation of charge results in a sharp current pulse for the arrival of each photon at the photocathode
www.radio-electronics.com/info/data/thermionic-valves/photomultiplier/what-is-a-photomultiplier-basics.php
Photoelectric Effect
Under the right circumstances light can be used to push electrons, freeing them from the surface of a solid. This process is called the photoelectric effect (or photoelectric emission or photoemission), a material that can exhibit this phenomena is said to be photoemissive, and the ejected electrons are called photoelectrons; but there is nothing that would distinguish them from other electrons. All electrons are identical to one another in mass, charge, spin, and magnetic moment. physics.info/photoelectric/

Excelitas’ Family of Single Photon Counting Modules (SPCMs) are self-contained modules that meet the low light level analytical detection demands of confocal microscopy, fluorescence, luminescence, and TCSPC. Excelitas' SPCMs offer market-leading photon counting performance in parameters like high Photon Detection Efficiency (PDE), low afterpulsing, highest uniformity over an active area, high linear dynamic range, and low dark counts. Excelitas’ entire series of single photon counting modules are designed and built to be fully RoHS-compliant.

Our SPCMs were the first APD-operated photon counting devices on the market. They use a unique APD that was developed specifically to be operated in so-called “Geiger-mode,” which means operated above breakdown voltage, so that a single incoming photon triggers an avalanche of electrons already large enough to be detected and counted as an electronic pulse. The SPCM uses a unique silicon avalanche photodiode (SLiK) with a circular active area intended for peak photon detection efficiency. The photodiode is both thermoelectrically-cooled and temperature-controlled, ensuring stabilized performance despite ambient temperature changes.
www.excelitas.com/Pages/Product/Single-Photon-Counting-Modules-SPCM.aspx

And these electronic pulses are not cohering a wave in the experiment. :thumbup:

I bid you good day and fair well from the intact experiment that proves the existence of photons. :cool2:
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Rodin's Photon Challange 10 Apr 2015 17:41 #44

This is a good thread, a prime example of big minded talk, interesting and provocative, against the normal small minded talk that pollutes the forum. :umm:

Carry on :thumbup:
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Rodin's Photon Challange 10 Apr 2015 19:21 #45

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Any experiment that "proves" the existence of photons has a fatal flaw in its design. I had the biggest PA system (certainly the most advanced, 5 way active) on the East Coast in 1980 so I know a little about amplification, for Physics 2B project (1969) I built a working stereo mixer.. so i know a bit about mixing too.... Having a triple platinum disc to my name :thumbup: (I won't spoil the illusion of grandeur by admitting which one) :emb: More to the point I taught sound engineering and music technology, including the Nyquist Theorem for digital sampling limitations, which is why I found this paper I keep referring to (OK it is a discussion thread based on a paper, started and maintained by the author)

He quite correctly shows that no photomultiplier/so called cascade device is anywhere NEAR sensitive enough to detect the energy that is supposed to reside in this fictitious "massless particle" called the photon.
This forum is about our new Intermittent Electron Theory that has been recently published in Physics Essays: The Theory of Intermittent Electrons

Theory of Intermittent Electrons....

......The first myth that needs to be cleared up is cleared up with the following statement:

One film dot ≠ One photon detection.

Many QM books have pictures of film dots accumulating like the above picture. Well consider this:

For 200 ISO film, minimum blackening is .004 lux-sec, or 0.27 millijoules/cm². See: Radiometry and photometry in astronomy

So take 1% of this minimum blackening illumination, and consider 0.0027 mJ/cm². This illumination is below the threshold of the film. In other words, this illumination is so weak that no dots are formed on the film.

Now, one visible photon has an energy of about 5 x 10-19 Joules

If you do the division, you get that about 5 quadrillion photons can strike a cm² of the film without producing a film dot. Think about this for a moment. 5 quadrillions-worth of photon-energy can strike a cm² of the film and not produce a single film-dot. So these pictures, like the one above, in first year QM books are a serious exaggeration.


So what would happen if an extremely low intensity wave were incident on some ISO 200 speed film? Well, film has tiny silver bromide crystals. These crystals must have crystal defects, or they are not light sensitive at all. So a lot of light could hit these crystals with no effect.

But some crystals have defects, some with more defects than others. These are the most light sensitive crystals. These "most sensitive" crystals are randomly distributed across the film. When the incident light wave intensity just reaches the threshold for film-dot production, it is these "most sensitive" crystals that are randomly activated first. This random activation of the "most sensitive" crystals would start to make a pattern like that seen in figure 5.25A from being struck by a low intensity wave.


A low intensity wave incident on film would produce the patterns seen in the above figure because the film is discrete crystals.

No harm done, you say as you consider yourself an advanced physicist? OK, then let's move on to the next best "one-photon-at-a-time" claim, photomultipliers. The double slit can be done with supposedly "one-photon-at-a-time" photomultipliers:

www.wm.edu/ph...eniorThesis.pdf

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"The polarizing filters are used to cut the light down to an intensity low enough that only one photon is in the apparatus at a time. . . Using the detector slit, the photomultiplier tube measures photon counts at different positions of the screen. Counts can be plotted with respect to X and the interference pattern constructed."

The same myth needs to be cleared with the following statement:

One photomultiplier tick ≠ One photon detection.

The same reasoning applies to this apparatus. Photomultipliers, like any detection device (be it film, digital camera, etc) has a threshold illumination below which no detection takes place. For example, take the photomultiplier tube in the above paper, with, for example, a blocking area of 10 μm². put it 1 meter away from the double slit and set the crossed polarizers so that the illumination is so low that the photomultiplier ticks once per second. Now move that photomultiplier 100 meters away from the double slit, and increase the blocking area proportionately so it is looking down the same solid angle.

Theoretically, according to QM, the same number of photons going down the solid angle at one meter will still be going down the solid angle at 100 meters. So the number of ticks supposedly will be the same. Wrong, the intensity at 100 meters is so low that the photomultiplier will not record one tick per second. It will record nothing but noise. Not convinced? Try it yourself.

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Rodin's Photon Challange 11 Apr 2015 14:58 #46

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Rodin you're turning into a silly man.

The photomulitpier is counting the electrons not the photons, it's the photoelectric effect, to where the photon releases the electrons from the matter, so it's the electrons that create the pulse and are detected, the photon is merely used to trigger them into action.

Earlier in this thread you said that it could be a defective crystal falsely causing the lack of wave pattern in the results and the randomness of QM.

Now that I show you no such crystal is in use here you then go on about the detection of photons again and the dark count, all your points have been covered, the dark count is not taken as read here as it's electrons that are causing the pulse not the photon.

The dead time is when the electrons are cooled, and discharged.

So read this bit very carefully I don't want to repeat it again.

The photon (if you want to say it's a wave being fired then just wait) is fired into the device, it then releases a number of electrons via the photoelectric effect, these electrons then avalanche and create an electronic pulse to be emitted by the device.

So what the experiment is resulting is that this photon, or bit if light as you may call it, is causing the electrons to make a pulse, but these pulses are not cohering a wave from the BS to the detectors.

There's nothing more you can add to change this, the photon experiment is proved.

All you do now is distract. :dunno:
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It's the photoelectric effect, to where the photon releases the electrons from the matter, so it's the electrons that create the pulse and are detected, the photon is merely used to trigger them into action.

Ah yes, the IMPOSSIBLE photoelectric effect?
The photoelectric effect setup for a 10 eV UV photon is like this:



A UV photon is incident on a metal plate with an energy of approximately 10 eV. An electron with the max energy is ejected with an energy of approximately


Emax = hv - Ф = 10 eV - 3 eV = 1.12 x 10-18 J

This implies that the photoelectron has a momentum of Pe=2mEmax−−−−−−−√, or

|Pe| = 270 |PUV|

Check the arithmetic yourself. This is no arithmetic error. The photoelectron ends up with 270 times the momentum of the UV photon. Think about this for a moment...

...and this is allowing the photon, which is massless, to have momentum, itself a nonsense...

The ONLY WAY the electron can absorb enough energy to jump off the metal plate is if it is excited to an escape energy level, and this must be absorption either of hundreds or more of these so called photons, or by an absorption over time of eletromagnetic radiative energy. Either way one electron does not come from one photon, and hence the premise of the photomultiplier "photon counter" is sucked into the quicksand of the conservation of energy. Conservation of energy is just about the number one physical law.

(Incidentally I will show later how kinetic energy equations such as e=mc^^2 and even the more prosaic e= 1/2 mv**2 are suspect... again using the conservation of energy argument...)

Furthermore the ANGLE of electron ejection precludes a particle particle interaction of the sort Einstein was awarded the Nobel Prize for inventing....
It is also fairly well known that the most likely angle for the electron ejection is at 90 degrees. See

prola.aps.org/abstract/PR/v37/i10/p1233_1

The electron can actually absorb a photon and be ejected in a direction greater than 90 degrees heading back to where the photon came from. How can the photon "knock the electron backwards" through absorption? This just does not make sense, and this does not seem like a particle absorption. This phenomena seems like a transverse electric force reaction, plain and simple. If this is the case, then the polarization of the wave must come into play:



If I am correct, then the UV light that is polarized perpendicular to the metal plate will eject electrons much more readily than UV light polarized in the horizontal plane. (We will see how this works later).

And indeed, this is the case!

Evidence of Vectorial Photoelectric Effect on Copper

repositories.cdlib.org/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=3703&context=lbnl

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You keep posting the same physics forum shit over and over, I'm not taking any notice of it, its irrelevant to this experiment.

The thing is if you want to start a new debate about the photoelectric effect that's another debate, the point is, the electrons are shifting, they are motivated to shift by the laser, the pulse is electronic, the results don't show a wave.

Every time I prove you wrong you just try again with a different angle, sooner or later with that behaviour you'll just end up announcing that the entirety of science is fake, only to hang to to your face in the position of having been shown to have been wrong.
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Can you understand the maths? It proves photons are a myth. You cannot get a particle expelling another particle with 270 times the momentum of the original particle. This is a basic tenet of conservation of energy. So the whole basis of the measurement falls apart at the first hurdle. Believe me, if Andrew was wrong he would have been pulled up in the 17 pages or so of high level peer cross-examination he was subjected to (which he welcomed, because he knew he was right).

If you cannot understand the maths, then at least say so...

But the photoelectric effect says a ping pong ball can split the pack in 8 ball pool....
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Can you understand the maths? It proves photons are a myth. You cannot get a particle expelling another particle with 270 times the momentum of the original particle. This is a basic tenet of conservation of energy. So the whole basis of the measurement falls apart at the first hurdle. Believe me, if Andrew was wrong he would have been pulled up in the 17 pages or so of high level peer cross-examination he was subjected to (which he welcomed, because he knew he was right).

If you cannot understand the maths, then at least say so...

But the photoelectric effect says a ping pong ball can split the pack in 8 ball pool....


You still miss the point.... The point is this, we're discussing how you are going to 'take it apart' with reference to this experiment.

When the detectors send a pulse, the pulse is electronic, it's electrons making the pulse.
They are motivated to make a pulse via the laser beam, what is happening is that the detectors are pulsing in a manner that is not consistent with a wave....

This is the main point, so far you have tried to blame the lasers. (when you thought there were two) then you tried to blame a crystal until you found out that no crystal is used in the detectors.
Now you try to blame the photoelectric effect, so you're making up excuses as you go......

The point is the detectors are not indicating a wave, you have not 'taken that apart' and you have no credible explanation for that.

Re Photoelectric effect - It's not like a ping pong ball hitting pool balls as in that type of kinetic energy, as you ought know. it's to do with charging the electrons with radiation.
Not every electromagnetic wave will cause the photoelectric effect, only radiation of a certain frequency or higher will cause the effect. The minimum frequency needed is called the cutoff frequency or threshold frequency. The cutoff frequency is used to find the work function, w, which is the amount of energy holding the electron to the metal surface.[1] The work function is a property of the metal and is not affected by the incoming radiation.[1] If a frequency of light strikes the metal surface that is greater than the cutoff frequency, then the emitted electron will have some kinetic energy.simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photoelectric_effect

I've only used Wiki because it's explained in fairly simple language.

I don't want to get distracted with that though, I want you to tell me how the detectors in the experiment are pulsing in non wave fashion?
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Point is the PRINCIPLE of the crystal detector can also be applied to the photomultiplier and the photoelectric effect. Namely, that it is only after the absorption of a significant amount of radiation that an electron is excited enough to have the KE to detach from the plate.

Note what the standard model says....



It fails to mention that exactly the same plot would arise if

1) there was an escape energy for orbiting electrons and
2) the energy of escaping electrons was proportional to the energy (frequency) of incoming radiation

It does NOT imply particle - particle interaction, that would be one of several possible conclusions absent other evidence...

...except the momentum transfer (mass x velocity) of 1 > 270 photon > electron does not make any physical sense, as I have pointed out.... Especially when the photon is described as a "massless particle"

Does this not sound like a case of the king's new clothes?

Anyway I have tracked Andrew down, do you have any questions for him? I certainly do regarding his notion of electric gravity....
Hi Andrew. I had you on the mind for some reason and was scanning the whole thread to see what you may have said about gravity. Haven't seen that yet but the above caught my attention. To be sure I wouldn't know a deBroglie wave from a bologna sandwich, but I thought of squares as they blink from odd to even. In fact, it is proven that all even polygonal sets do so. EDIT: (odd polygonal sets "blink" {even even odd odd}.)

That's all I got. Enjoying the read. :read:
It is strange that you ask me about gravity. You see, I did graduate General Relativity studies
with John Archibald Wheeler at UTexas in the 80's, and was a firm General Relativity
supporter. At first, I thought that everything could be founded upon gravity and that the
intermittent electrons were gravity caused. I am not so sure anymore. In other words, I may
have "bootstrapped" myself full circle. Here is my current train of thought:

1) Einstein thought of gravity as curvature. However, if we go back to
the philosophy that gravity is a force (I will support this possibility later), then we need to view
the force between matter as basically three separate forces between: a) proton<->proton
b)proton>-<electron c) electron<->electron (I believe that a neutron is equivalent
to a bound p-e, so I leave neutrons out).

2) Since we must time-average the forces between these intermittent particles, the
net electrical force (and their net charge) between them very closely averages out
to zero. However, the intermittent averaged forces depend on the particles' accelerations,
as acceleration changes the "blink frequencies". So just imagine this: if the total of all
electrical forces average to zero down to 1 part in 1036, but remain ever so
slightly ("teentsie weentsie") attractive, then you have "electrical gravity". This would mean
that everything is founded on electricity, and not the other way around. That is, gravity is
caused by intermittent charges, and not the other way around. This would mean that
anti-matter would "fall upwards" in a matter gravitational field (by simple symmetry),
and that an antimatter galaxy would be repelled by a matter galaxy (explaining lots of
cosmic things).

3) However, pundits have "proven" that gravity cannot be described as a vector force.
This MUST be resolved before we can continue and claim that gravity is a "leftover"
electical force (i.e., Mercury's precession, bending of light, gravitational redshift, etc.).

(To be continued . . . )

Andrew Ancel Gray

www.scienceforums.com/topic/11645-7-reasons-to-abandon-quantum-mechanics-and-embrace-this-new-theory/page-17

His website is

www.modelofreality.org/

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Anyway back to the experiment that you said you would 'take it apart'.

Why were the detectors not indicating a wave?

No other information about 'Andrew' or anything else will answer this question.

So you have two choices

1) Answer the question directly
2) Admit that you did not 'take it apart' thus photons exist.



PS Your ping pong ball/pool ball analogy is now out the window, as is the 'crystal defect' theory of yours, as is the 'two lasers being of different frequency'. I wonder what your next excuse will be .. :dunno:

You seem to change your excuses as I abolish their credibility.
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Well you don't seem to accept my premise, even though I try to lay it out as clearly as I can, maybe I will think of another way of putting it for later, but my claim is that the detectors DID see a wave, its just that they did not react to it the same....

I have a lot to do right now but soon I hope to re-establish contact with Andrew, and his depth of knowledge of the relevant maths is deeper than mine, so if you have any specific questions I will try to pass them on.

I do think ihis theory of the intermittent electron (and zero photon) very interesting in that it satisfied all the anomalies in the standard model very elegantly. The only bit I don't agree is is that the electron is intermittent. Of course he constructed this model to explain the non radiation from bound electrons, however I think there may be another explanation, that the electron at the atomic level DOES producer radiation, but the proton does too, equal and opposite... almost....

with the slight difference being the cause of gravity.....

Maybe all gravity is inertial, just that QASARs are an extreme example....
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One thing unique to QM theory is its invention of the wave-particle paradox. It seemed like wave-particle duality was necessary because the evidence was mounting for the baffling behavior of both light and electrons. In particular, the most baffling of these was the low intensity double slit experiment. Look on the net and see that this experiment is still being argued around after nearly a century.

The double slit output:



Questions:
1) How can the "photon" know about the other slit if it goes through just one?
2) How can the "photon" interfere with itself it if it just goes through one slit?

The first myth that needs to be cleared up is cleared up with the following statement:

One film dot ≠ One photon detection.

Many QM books have pictures of film dots accumulating like the above picture. Well consider this:

For 200 ISO film, minimum blackening is .004 lux-sec, or 0.27 millijoules/cm². See: stjarnhimlen.se/comp/radfaq.html

So take 1% of this minimum blackening illumination, and consider 0.0027 mJ/cm². This illumination is below the threshold of the film. In other words, this illumination is so weak that no dots are formed on the film. Now, one visible photon has an energy of about 5 x 10-19 Joules
If you do the division, you get that about 5 quadrillion photons can strike a cm² of the film without producing a film dot. Think about this for a moment. 5 quadrillions-worth of photon-energy can strike a cm² of the film and not produce a single film-dot. So these pictures, like the one above, in first year QM books are a serious exaggeration.

So what would happen if an extremely low intensity wave were incident on some ISO 200 speed film? Well, film has tiny silver bromide crystals. These crystals must have crystal defects, or they are not light sensitive at all. So a lot of light could hit these crystals with no effect.

But some crystals have defects, some with more defects than others. These are the most light sensitive crystals. These "most sensitive" crystals are randomly distributed across the film. When the incident light wave intensity just reaches the threshold for film-dot production, it is these "most sensitive" crystals that are randomly activated first. This random activation of the "most sensitive" crystals would start to make a pattern like that seen in figure 5.25A from being struck by a low intensity wave.

A low intensity wave incident on film would produce the patterns seen in the above figure because the film is discrete crystals.

No harm done, you say as you consider yourself an advanced physicist? OK, then let's move on to the next best "one-photon-at-a-time" claim, photomultipliers. The double slit can be done with supposedly "one-photon-at-a-time" photomultipliers!

The same myth needs to be cleared with the following statement:

One photomultiplier tick ≠ One photon detection.

The same reasoning applies to this apparatus. Photomultipliers, like any detection device (be it film, digital camera, etc) have a threshold illumination below which no detection takes place. For example, take the photomultiplier tube in the above paper, with, for example, a blocking area of 10 μm². put it 1 meter away from the double slit and set the crossed polarizers so that the illumination is so low that the photomultiplier ticks once per second. Now move that photomultiplier 100 meters away from the double slit, and increase the blocking area proportionately so it is looking down the same solid angle. Theoretically, according to QM, the same number of photons going down the solid angle at one meter will still be going down the solid angle at 100 meters. So the number of ticks supposedly will be the same. Wrong, the intensity at 100 meters is so low that the photomultiplier will not record one tick per second. It will record nothing but noise. Not convinced? Try it yourself.

Bump for Rae. Miles Mathis still talks about photons ; massless particles with momentum? Naaaaahh...

milesmathis.com/kinetic.html

Photon's don't exist

www.scienceforums.com/topic/11645-7-reasons-to-abandon-quantum-mechanics-and-embrace-this-new-theory/
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He does sound like an arrogant prick BTW. Which I don't despite what you see. (I suspect a mirror) But I think he's on to something that may align with the models I have been working on, intermittently it has to be said. But really, do you understand the principles behind what he says.
Do you know what capacitance, resistance, permittivity and permeability are? Have you got your head around 'Incommensurability'.TBC
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rodin wrote:
He does sound like an arrogant prick BTW. Which I don't despite what you see. (I suspect a mirror) But I think he's on to something that may align with the models I have been working on, intermittently it has to be said. But really, do you understand the principles behind what he says.
Do you know what capacitance, resistance, permittivity and permeability are? Have you got your head around 'Incommensurability'.TBC

Haven't watched the video and have to take care of my data for this month, so if it's really worth it, I'll take a look at one of them, which one is the best?

Capacitance, never heard of it
Resistance (resistivity?) in what context?
Permittivity vaguely familiar
Permeability well known in geological sense, not sure about this context
Incommensurability, never heard of it

Generally it doesn't speak for someone if he uses such difficult words to convey a simple idea. It shouldn't be necessary.
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