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Artificial Intelligence - Robots replacing human workers... it has begun. 11 Jan 2017 17:14 #21

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That US definition looks like the English one.
'Treated as a person' implies 'is not a person but is being treated as if it was a person- for this specific legal process.'
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Artificial Intelligence - Robots replacing human workers... it has begun. 11 Jan 2017 18:47 #22

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Accorded Constitutional rights which were established for "persons" aka: people.
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Artificial Intelligence - Robots replacing human workers... it has begun. 14 Jan 2017 14:15 #23

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Retirement homes are very short of staff in my country,as an experiment a small robot was used
to listen and talk to its residents.
Would this be an option for other lonely people aswell ?

Robots Humanize Care
Moral Concerns Versus Witnessed Benefits for the Elderly
Margo A. M. van Kemenade Elly A. Konijn and Johan F. Hoorn

www.crisprepository.nl/_uploaded/_Van-Kemenade-Konijn-Hoorn-Robots-humanize-care-HEALTHINF_2015_140_CR.pdf

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Artificial Intelligence - Robots replacing human workers... it has begun. 14 Jan 2017 16:34 #24

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Cinta wrote:
Retirement homes are very short of staff in my country,as an experiment a small robot was used
to listen and talk to its residents.
Would this be an option for other lonely people aswell ?

Of course not, stepping out of the usury based banking-system will help, in combination with National Socialism (under a new name)

Nationalist = someone who loves his country
Socialist = someone who loves his people

So be a National Socialist.
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Artificial Intelligence - Robots replacing human workers... it has begun. 16 Jan 2017 18:11 #25

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Flare wrote:
Cinta wrote:
Retirement homes are very short of staff in my country,as an experiment a small robot was used
to listen and talk to its residents.
Would this be an option for other lonely people aswell ?

Of course not, stepping out of the usury based banking-system will help, in combination with National Socialism (under a new name)

Nationalist = someone who loves his country
Socialist = someone who loves his people


So be a National Socialist.

Does your care robot has to resemble der Onkel Adolf?

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Artificial Intelligence - Robots replacing human workers... it has begun. 18 Jan 2017 13:31 #26

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GMP wrote:
A corporation isn't a person.
I am a person, so are you.
A corporation can be 'treated as a person' at law.
For example a former employee taking a corporation to court citing unfair dismissal.
Under English law the corporation is listed as 'Respondent' thus 'treated as a person' to facilitate the legal process but not actually a person in law.
If an English corporation was a person then that English corporation could claim State Pension.
It cannot.
Because it isn't actually a person.
FMOTLers never quite grasp those facts.

G'day GMP.

Actually, you are not a 'person'. The 'Birth Certificate' is the person.

Both the company and 'Birth Certificate' are dead entities, which is why they are printed on stationary. Neither move.

You are a living being. You move.

Only by accepting that you are the person ('Birth Certificate') can you be treated in law as a person. You, the living being, consents to representing a dead entity and the jurisdiction (juris = to rule; diction = spoken word; = to rule with the spoken word) of those 'owning' the 'Birth Certificate'.
You cannot reason someone out of a position that they didn't reason themselves into.

When paired opposites define your beliefs, your beliefs will imprison you.


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Artificial Intelligence - Robots replacing human workers... it has begun. 18 Jan 2017 14:10 #27

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"AS EXPECTED, the European Parliament's legal affairs committee voted in favour of extending rights to robots, granting them what the committee called "electronic personhood", by 17 votes to two, with two abstentions.

The robot 'bill of rights' is intended to cover such issues as liability, such as when automated or robotic systems are involved in accidents or go postal, as well as ethical issues, such as should it be legal to beat your robot?

Socialist worker Mady Delvaux, a Luxembourgois politician and vice-chair of the Committee on Legal Affairs, said that the EU "urgently need(s) to create a robust European legal framework" in order to "ensure that robots are and will remain in the service of humans"

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Artificial Intelligence - Robots replacing human workers... it has begun. 18 Jan 2017 14:17 #28

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"""ethical""" issues, such as should it be legal to beat your robot?

:larf:

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Artificial Intelligence - Robots replacing human workers... it has begun. 18 Jan 2017 14:38 #29

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Gaia wrote:
"""ethical""" issues, such as should it be legal to beat your robot?

:larf:

The Onion?

Funnier than The Onion, The EU.

"The draft report from the European Parliament's Committee on Legal Affairs, issued on May 31, seeks to address multiple social and ethical issues posed by the rise of an automated workforce. One of those issues is social security revenue: if companies replace human workers with robots, the amount they pay into Europe's retirement benefits system could decrease.

Under the proposal, companies would be required to declare "the savings made in social security contributions through the use of robotics in place of human personnel." Those savings could have tax implications, according to Reuters."

www.pcmag.com/news/345515/eu-robot-workers-are-electronic-persons
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Artificial Intelligence - Robots replacing human workers... it has begun. 18 Jan 2017 17:13 #30

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I AM ALL I AM wrote:
GMP wrote:
A corporation isn't a person.
I am a person, so are you.
A corporation can be 'treated as a person' at law.
For example a former employee taking a corporation to court citing unfair dismissal.
Under English law the corporation is listed as 'Respondent' thus 'treated as a person' to facilitate the legal process but not actually a person in law.
If an English corporation was a person then that English corporation could claim State Pension.
It cannot.
Because it isn't actually a person.
FMOTLers never quite grasp those facts.

G'day GMP.

Actually, you are not a 'person'. The 'Birth Certificate' is the person.

Both the company and 'Birth Certificate' are dead entities, which is why they are printed on stationary. Neither move.

You are a living being. You move.

Only by accepting that you are the person ('Birth Certificate') can you be treated in law as a person. You, the living being, consents to representing a dead entity and the jurisdiction (juris = to rule; diction = spoken word; = to rule with the spoken word) of those 'owning' the 'Birth Certificate'.

I can see where you are coming from.
We get acres of it over on DIF on the FMOTL interest threads.
I respect your opinion but , in common with every legislature in the developed world; don't subscribe to your views.
Please don't take that personally.
Ooops.
Sorry, you can't can you?
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PS
Stationary- not moving.
Stationery - stuff that stationers sell. Paper, envelopes, office supplies etc (along with the paper stock that birth certificates are printed on).
These words have totally different meanings, so when you opt for the wrong spelling, your sentence won’t make sense and your readers may be amused, confused, or irritated – a situation best avoided, as it tends to result in people focusing on the error, rather than the point you’re making.
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Artificial Intelligence - Robots replacing human workers... it has begun. 18 Jan 2017 20:53 #31

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One of those issues is social security revenue: if companies replace human workers with robots, the amount they pay into Europe's retirement benefits system could decrease.

Under the proposal, companies would be required to declare "the savings made in social security contributions through the use of robotics in place of human personnel." Those savings could have tax implications, according to Reuters."

Sounds like a recipe for illegal alien undocumented robots to be utilized on the sly by companies. :larf: :hahano:
I remember the good old days, when 90+ year olds in nursing homes lived forever. Darn this pesky virus.

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Artificial Intelligence - Robots replacing human workers... it has begun. 18 Jan 2017 22:58 #32

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One of those issues is social security revenue: if companies replace human workers with robots, the amount they pay into Europe's retirement benefits system could decrease.

Under the proposal, companies would be required to declare "the savings made in social security contributions through the use of robotics in place of human personnel." Those savings could have tax implications, according to Reuters."

Sounds like a recipe for illegal alien undocumented robots to be utilized on the sly by companies. :larf: :hahano:

Yep, they'll get cheap ones with thin skins that whine a lot.
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Artificial Intelligence - Robots replacing human workers... it has begun. 19 Jan 2017 04:16 #33

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GMP wrote:
I AM ALL I AM wrote:
GMP wrote:
A corporation isn't a person.
I am a person, so are you.
A corporation can be 'treated as a person' at law.
For example a former employee taking a corporation to court citing unfair dismissal.
Under English law the corporation is listed as 'Respondent' thus 'treated as a person' to facilitate the legal process but not actually a person in law.
If an English corporation was a person then that English corporation could claim State Pension.
It cannot.
Because it isn't actually a person.
FMOTLers never quite grasp those facts.

G'day GMP.

Actually, you are not a 'person'. The 'Birth Certificate' is the person.

Both the company and 'Birth Certificate' are dead entities, which is why they are printed on stationary. Neither move.

You are a living being. You move.

Only by accepting that you are the person ('Birth Certificate') can you be treated in law as a person. You, the living being, consents to representing a dead entity and the jurisdiction (juris = to rule; diction = spoken word; = to rule with the spoken word) of those 'owning' the 'Birth Certificate'.

I can see where you are coming from.
We get acres of it over on DIF on the FMOTL interest threads.
I respect your opinion but , in common with every legislature in the developed world; don't subscribe to your views.
Please don't take that personally.
Ooops.
Sorry, you can't can you?
;)
PS
Stationary- not moving.
Stationery - stuff that stationers sell. Paper, envelopes, office supplies etc (along with the paper stock that birth certificates are printed on).
These words have totally different meanings, so when you opt for the wrong spelling, your sentence won’t make sense and your readers may be amused, confused, or irritated – a situation best avoided, as it tends to result in people focusing on the error, rather than the point you’re making.

G'day GMP.

"Everything is personal when you are a person"
Fallen (movie)

:joint:

I CAN take something personally, though I don't as I recognise I am soul, not a person. ;) :D

The 'Freeman-on-the-land' movement is flawed. A lot of misrepresentations of the issue. I could go into it in depth and explain why, though I sense you already have a handle on it so I will forgoe that.

I haven't used it in court (freeman shit), though I know a few people that have done so. I go the no legal name route. Actually had magistrates attempt to claim I am doing the freeman or sovereignty thing in court and I have denied it and laughed at them. It is all about the language, words and the sound that they make. The sound of a word is what is important (think cymatics ... vibrational frequency). After all, if you look up a word in a dictionary, it provides the way to pronounce the word phonetically. The 'SPELLing' is irrelevant in one sense, as it is the sound (frequency) that creates the form.

Acting as 'fiduciary' or 'beneficiary' for the legal name is pointless. You are still playing their game if you do; filling out 'forms', providing a signature (sign of your nature - a slave to their 'forms'), etc; and they have the home ground advantage (their rules).

I have always thought that the freeman movement might have been a set up, controlled opposition. Only circumstantial evidence for that belief, though I could present a decent argument for such, it is a moot point.

I remember arguing that I had not voted on any laws when I was a child with the parents, asking why I should be held accountable for something that I have had no say in or agreed to. They couldn't supply a decent answer ("That's the way it is", words to that effect). If government is by consent, then withdrawing consent or not giving it is the key to unlocking the chains of government. I actually discussed this with a barrister when I was suing the NSW Police. He stated that it was true, but "Don't let them hear you say it", was his final response.

I explain it to police this way now ...

If two individuals are having sex and both have consented everything is fine. As soon as one individual withdraws consent the other has to stop or they are breaking the law.

Government is by consent. As I do not consent, you would be breaking the law if you attempt to govern Who I Am.

If they want to argue the point, I simply state, "I suggest you seek legal advice from a Supreme court judge". Sometimes you will have to repeat that phrase a few times for them to 'get it' and leave you alone. After all (from experience) I know that new recruits have explained to them that they are not 'legal experts' and are required to seek legal advice if there is a dispute about the law. Otherwise they will be held accountable for not doing so.

Even ask the officer if they consider themselves a legal expert. If they respond in the affirmative, then they are screwed in court. :D

In Grafton, I had an interaction with police and explained a lot of this to them. The senior sergeant that had come down from the station ended up laughing and saying he had to go now because I was starting to make too much sense. He was more concerned with me getting pulled over by highway patrol officers as I have no license, registration nor insurance, though he was impressed with the plates I had on the van. :D

In that instance, the senior officer of the car crew actually apologised when leaving. It was a legal point and he accepted that I was 'right' about what I had stated.

Remember, it is their rules and only have effect if you consent to being ruled. :thumbup:

P.S. - this is so much easier to explain face to face. If you think of the B.I.B.L.E. as the Basic Instructions Bonding Living Entities, then remember 'God' cannot be named. You are 'God' and therefore cannot be named. If you accept a legal name, then you are not 'God' and will be held accountable to their rules. This is the 'Gospel' (go spell) truth. ;) :D

P.S.S. - if they ask for an address of where you live, ask them how you could live outside of the physicality. I told the magistrate if he could explain how I could live outside this physicality I might consider having an address. He couldn't, I didn't. :D

P.S.S.S. - if they ask whether you are an image (a picture, photo, etc) simply tell them it isn't you. After all, if they are holding an image and asking you if you are the image then they have already shown by their question that you are not the image. The image is not alive, it doesn't move/change. You do because you are a living being.
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Artificial Intelligence - Robots replacing human workers... it has begun. 05 Aug 2017 03:46 #34

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Former Facebook executive says society will COLLAPSE within 30 years as robots put half of humans out of work

Antonio Garcia Martinez fears revolution and armed conflict will erupt in America in the coming decades
4th August 2017, 12:33 pm

A former Facebook executive has quit his job and now lives as a recluse in the wilderness – because he is convinced that machines will take over the world.

Antonio Garcia Martinez worked as a project manager for the social media giant in Silicon Valley but became terrified by the relentless march of technology.

He reckons that machines will have taken half of humanity’s jobs within 30 years, sparking revolt and armed conflict.

So he quit his job, fled his home and now lives in woodland north of Seattle with a gun for protection.

He spoke to new two-part BBC2 documentary “Secrets of Silicon Valley”, which explores the growing influence of the tech hub on global development.

Mr Martinez said: “If the world really does end, there aren’t going to be many places to run.

“Within 30 years, half of humanity won’t have a job. It could get ugly. There could be a revolution.

“I’ve seen what the world will look like in five to 10 years.

"You may not believe it but it's coming, and it's coming in the form of a self-driving truck that's going to run you over.

"There are 300 million guns in this country, one for every man, woman and child, and they're mostly in the hands of those who are getting economically displaced. There could be a revolt.

"You don't realise it but we're in a race between technology and politics, and technologists are winning. They're way ahead.

"They will destroy jobs and disrupt economies before we even react to them and we really should be thinking about that."

He said other ex-Silicon Valley employees had also resigned and were living on land isolated from society because they were equally frightened of what the future held.

Programme host Jamie Bartlett, director of the Centre for the Analysis of Social Media, said: "The tech gods are selling us all a better future but Silicon Valley's promise to build a better world relies on tearing up the world as it is. They call it 'disruption'.

"The mantra of Silicon Valley is that disruption is always good, and through smartphones and digital technology we can create more efficient, more convenient, faster services and everyone wins from that.

"But behind that beautifully designed app or that slick platform there's a quite brutal form of capitalism unfolding and it's leaving some of the poorest people in society behind.

"There's a risk Silicon Valley's promise to build a better world could inflict a nightmare future on millions of us.

"The big secret in Silicon Valley is that the next wave of disruption could tear apart the way capitalism works, and as a result the way we live our lives could be utterly transformed. "

Artificial intelligence pioneer Jeremy Howard said: "People aren't scared enough.
"They're saying 'Don't worry about it, there will always be more jobs'.

"And it's founded on this purely historical thing of there has been a revolution before, it was called the Industrial Revolution, and after it there were still enough jobs, therefore this new, totally different, totally unrelated revolution will also have enough jobs.

"It's a ludicrously short-sighted, meaningless argument which incredibly smart people are making."

He said if society did nothing, a "tiny class of society" would own "all of the capital and all of the data and everybody else adds no economic value, is despised by the class that has things because they're worthless" creating "massive social unrest".

www.thesun.co.uk/tech/4170364/former-facebook-executive-says-society-will-collapse-within-30-years-as-robots-put-half-of-humans-out-of-work/
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Artificial Intelligence - Robots replacing human workers... it has begun. 05 Aug 2017 04:31 #35

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Novum, what do you think of this panic-stirring, apocalyptic nonsense piece from one of the most mainstream media in the world?

Do you really believe this bullcrap?

Those Silicon Valley tech geeks are living in a bubble. The world is much bigger and yes, in 30 years there are still jobs to fill. Robots are not for free to produce, nor to maintain.

It's a hype, but not rooted in reality.
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Artificial Intelligence - Robots replacing human workers... it has begun. 05 Aug 2017 07:14 #36

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No i dont believe it... when i post something, doesnt mean i agree with it, usual disclaimer, etc etc.

I did think it was scaremongering. :)
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Artificial Intelligence - Robots replacing human workers... it has begun. 11 Oct 2017 05:33 #37

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Retards: 70% of Americans are Unaware Robots are Going to Take Their Jobs

Andrew Anglin
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October 5, 2017



A staggering 70% of Americans are so uninformed and terminally stupid that they are unaware that robots are going to revolutionize the entire economy and take most of their jobs.

I have no idea who these retards are, but I am shocked to learn of their existence.

If I had to guess, they are minorities and women, who are the two stupidest groups in America.

And those numbers add up: whites are about 60% of the US population, and half of those are men.

As if we needed more reasons, this study alone is reason enough to completely remove all nonwhites from the country and relegate white women to the kitchen forever.

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Most Americans fear robots taking jobs in industries such as construction and software development, but almost no-one seems to think their job is under threat.

That’s according to the latest survey from Pew Research, the non-partisan US think tank, that found almost a third of more than 4,000 respondents were unconcerned by the rise of automation, with 72 percent taking a more negative view.

Amazingly, only 30 percent of those surveyed believe their jobs are in jeopardy from the apparently relentless rise of the machines.

“Workers in certain industries (such as hospitality and service, or retail) are more likely to view their jobs as being at risk compared with those in others (such as education),” the report read.

“But across a range of occupations, majorities of workers anticipate that their jobs or professions will not be impacted by automation to a significant degree.”

The survey also revealed that 67 percent of people are worried about algorithms that can make hiring decisions without the involvement of a human supervisor.

There is, too, an even split between those who welcome self-driving cars and those who don’t.

The Pew poll comes amid a period of intense focus on the future of the jobs market in the US and around the world.

In August, research into machine learning revealed that programs are mimicking society’s inequality by discriminating against women and ethnic minorities.

And that right there is the best part of all of this.

“Equality” is nonscientific, based not simply on a misinterpretation of statistics, but an outright rejection of the concept of statistics.

“Everyone is an individual, therefore patterns of behavior cannot exist.”

You tell that to a machine and it is going to say “lolwut.”



Trying to program a false Jewish reality into an AI is probably completely impossible.

At least, Jews are trying very hard to do it, and it appears to be impossible.

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Artificial intelligence programs designed to assess candidates for university places and bank loans may be inherently racist and sexist, according to technology experts.

Researchers believe that machine-learning algorithms, far from making the world more equitable, are now mimicking society’s inequality by discriminating against women and ethnic minorities.

“This is beginning to come up a lot in areas like shortlisting people for jobs, insurance, loans – all those things,” Noel Sharkey, Co-Director of the Foundation for Responsible Robotics, told the BBC’s Today program.

Sharkey cited the example of research from Boston University in which an AI was trained to read Google News. When asked during a word association game, “man is to computer programmer what woman is to x”, the computer replied “homemaker.”

In order to make this work, you would have to feed huge amounts of false data into the machine, to the point where it would be incapable of distinguishing reality from fantasy, at which point the machine would be useless for anything objective and would be simply an SJW hugbot.



So, if all of the progressive programmers hit the wall trying to design such a creature, I guess everyone’s job is safe.

Except manual laborers.

A self-driving truck or a box-stacking machine doesn’t need to know that negroes are violent, stupid thieves or that human females exist for the sole purpose of perpetuating the species through breeding children and serving men as slaves.



Source of this Samizdat: dailystormer.ph/retards-70-of-americans-are-unaware-robots-are-going-to-take-their-jobs/
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Artificial Intelligence - Robots replacing human workers... it has begun. 05 Nov 2017 22:10 #38

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Guardian February 2017

"Humans must become cyborgs if they are to stay relevant in a future dominated by artificial intelligence. That was the warning from Tesla founder Elon Musk, speaking at an event in Dubai this weekend.

Musk argued that as artificial intelligence becomes more sophisticated, it will lead to mass unemployment. “There will be fewer and fewer jobs that a robot can’t do better,” he said at the World Government Summit.

If humans want to continue to add value to the economy, they must augment their capabilities through a “merger of biological intelligence and machine intelligence”. If we fail to do this, we’ll risk becoming “house cats” to artificial intelligence."

www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/feb/15/elon-musk-cyborgs-robots-artificial-intelligence-is-he-right

Another informative video from Truthstream Media.

The Fourth Industrial Revolution


"Will you get lost in the Fourth Industrial Revolution? Most people I asked don't even know what that is, but it's happening all around us right now. This system is about technological evolution... evolving us."

“The simple step of a courageous individual is not to take part in the lie." Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn
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Artificial Intelligence - Robots replacing human workers... it has begun. 07 Nov 2017 23:00 #39

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Our Driverless Future Begins As Waymo Transitions To Robot-Only Chauffeurs

Waymo is ready for a dramatic next step after eight years of preparation, most of it as the Google Self-Driving Car project. The Alphabet Inc. unit has begun testing autonomous vehicles on public roads without human safety drivers at the wheel, and early next year will make its robotic chauffeurs available to Phoenix-area commuters.

Speaking at the Web Summit conference in Lisbon, Portugal, Waymo CEO John Krafcik said on Tuesday that company technicians are already hailing its Chrysler Pacifica Hybrid minivans in and around Phoenix via a mobile app and leaving it to the artificial intelligence operating the vehicles to figure out how to get to requested destinations. Within a few months, Waymo vans loaded with laser LiDAR, radar, cameras, computers, AI and no human safety drivers will pick up Arizonans registered in its “Early Riders” program.

“We’re now working on making this a commercial service available to the public. People will get to use our fleet of on-demand vehicles to do anything from commute to work, get home from a night out, or run errands,” Krafcik said. “Getting access will be as easy as using an app; just tap a button and Waymo will come to you, and take you where you want to go.”

More: www.forbes.com/sites/alanohnsman/2017/11/07/our-driverless-future-begins-waymo-transitions-to-robot-chauffeurs/#67552772e7e8
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Artificial Intelligence - Robots replacing human workers... it has begun. 12 Nov 2017 14:34 #40

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In many ways, it has been going on (openly) for a very long time: agriculture was once a people-heavy occupation, and very rapidly brought to the functions of machines with less and less people needed per acreage, until today a handful of people and their machines can work large estates. Ditto the mills and weaving industries. Most recently, the car industry. Such methods are always rolled out on the "lower classes" and their skill sets, and everyone "above" them is okay about it because they believe their particular industries are safe from such take-overs. It always catches them by surprise (shock) when it moves into their arenas.

The middle classes and above just never seem to imagine that it could happen to them.

In some ways it could be very beneficial and freeing to the human race.... except we know the wealth created won't be shared. So who are these "masters" going to sell their produce and services to up ahead?

Perhaps it will bring the "lower" classes back to reclaiming their skills and abilities?
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if he undaunted be....". (Beowulf).

"The most beautiful people we have known are those who have known defeat, known suffering, known struggle, known loss, and have found their way out of the depths... Beautiful people do not just happen". (Elisabeth Kubler-Ross).


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