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How reliable is science? 04 Feb 2019 18:53 #1

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I’m going to start off by asking a simple question: What is science? Some might say it’s the only way to arrive at knowledge. But what questions does science answer? Science only analyzes existing concepts, and there is no scientific research before a concept is created. It is widely known that philosophy is preoccupied with concept creation, and it’s not until a concept is declared by philosophy, when a scientific field spawns to study it. What if science relies on philosophy to exist?

Science is nothing more than the gradual progress and discoveries, based on previous work, and we can describe the source of our current understanding of science, as the product of a collective mind of scientists working together, but in different timelines. Albert Einstein did not come up with relativity from scratch, the concept of time was already there. Isaac Newton based his absolute space and time theory on top of Johannes Kepler’s work, and so on. We make knowledge rather than discovering it.

My point is that we build up knowledge, rather than discovering it.

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How reliable is science? 05 Feb 2019 15:05 #2

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I wonder how somebody first thought of the wheel thousands of years ago?
I mean, we take wheels for granted nowadays but there must have been somebody back in the mists of time with the brainpower to work out that a round piece of wood with a hole in it would be cool if he pushed a stick through it to make it roll.
Or perhaps ancient aliens visited the earth to help humans along by showing them how to make wheels and fire and a few other things?
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How reliable is science? 05 Feb 2019 16:21 #3

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Ugh wrote:
I wonder how somebody first thought of the wheel thousands of years ago?
I mean, we take wheels for granted nowadays but there must have been somebody back in the mists of time with the brainpower to work out that a round piece of wood with a hole in it would be cool if he pushed a stick through it to make it roll.
Or perhaps ancient aliens visited the earth to help humans along by showing them how to make wheels and fire and a few other things?

Somebody watched a log rolling and understood

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How reliable is science? 07 Feb 2019 13:18 #4

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That is a good example, but not sure if you can classify a wheel as science, and how it's being applied recently.
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How reliable is science? 07 Feb 2019 15:52 #5

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bogdan9310 wrote:
I’m going to start off by asking a simple question: What is science? Some might say it’s the only way to arrive at knowledge. But what questions does science answer? Science only analyzes existing concepts, and there is no scientific research before a concept is created. It is widely known that philosophy is preoccupied with concept creation, and it’s not until a concept is declared by philosophy, when a scientific field spawns to study it. What if science relies on philosophy to exist?

Science is nothing more than the gradual progress and discoveries, based on previous work, and we can describe the source of our current understanding of science, as the product of a collective mind of scientists working together, but in different timelines. Albert Einstein did not come up with relativity from scratch, the concept of time was already there. Isaac Newton based his absolute space and time theory on top of Johannes Kepler’s work, and so on. We make knowledge rather than discovering it.

My point is that we build up knowledge, rather than discovering it.

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Who are the scientists and were/are they compromised?

The Solvay Conference, probably the most intelligent picture ever taken, 1927



17 of the 29 attendees were or became Nobel Prize winners.

"The Solvay Conference, founded by the Belgian industrialist Ernest Solvay in 1912, was considered a turning point in the world of physics. Located in Brussels, the conferences were devoted to outstanding preeminent open problems in both physics and chemistry. The most famous conference was the October 1927 Fifth Solvay International Conference on Electrons and Photons, where the world’s most notable physicists met to discuss the newly formulated quantum theory. The leading figures were Albert Einstein and Niels Bohr.

Einstein, disenchanted with Heisenberg’s uncertainty principle, remarked “God does not play dice”. Bohr replied: “Einstein, stop telling God what to do”. 17 of the 29 attendees were or became Nobel Prize winners, including Marie Curie, who alone among them, had won Nobel Prizes in two separate scientific disciplines. Here’s a splendid colored version of the photo.

This conference was also the culmination of the struggle between Einstein and the scientific realists, who wanted strict rules of scientific method as laid out by Charles Peirce and Karl Popper, versus Bohr and the instrumentalists, who wanted looser rules based on outcomes. Starting at this point, the instrumentalists won, instrumentalism having been seen as the norm ever since."

Back to front, left to right:

Back: Auguste Piccard, Émile Henriot, Paul Ehrenfest, Édouard Herzen, Théophile de Donder, Erwin Schrödinger, JE Verschaffelt, Wolfgang Pauli, Werner Heisenberg, Ralph Fowler, Léon Brillouin.

Middle: Peter Debye, Martin Knudsen, William Lawrence Bragg, Hendrik Anthony Kramers, Paul Dirac, Arthur Compton, Louis de Broglie, Max Born, Niels Bohr.

Front: Irving Langmuir, Max Planck, Marie Curie, Hendrik Lorentz, Albert Einstein, Paul Langevin, Charles-Eugène Guye, CTR Wilson, Owen Richardson.

Of course Nikola Tesla wasn´t invited!


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Not wanting to go into conspiracy mode and off-topic but Ernest Solvay was the owner of Chateaux Des Amerois: Mothers of Darkness Castle.


But that´s for another thread.

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How reliable is science? 08 Feb 2019 18:06 #6

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Being a noble prize winner doesn't make you right. That is a logical fallacy.
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How reliable is science? 09 Feb 2019 18:15 #7

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Another thing- I often wonder how cooking started in prehistoric times?
I mean, there they were, hunting and killing animals, fish and birds, and eating them raw, so what on earth made somebody do the completely illogical thing of throwing a lump of meat on the fire?
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How reliable is science? 13 Feb 2019 23:01 #8

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Guest1041 wrote:
...Did they find fire naturally then study it's properties and try to replicate it?
Or did they create fire out of thin air....so to speak.

Hard to say. Creating fire is a complicated business, either by striking flints to produce sparks to ignite tinder, or rubbing sticks together.
TV progs like 'Ancient Astronauts' claim that prehistoric man was taught by aliens to do stuff like that, which may or may not be the case.
Heck even the bible speaks of "giants" coming to earth to add their DNA to the human gene pool to give the human race a helping hand.
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How reliable is science? 26 Feb 2019 19:04 #9

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How reliable is science? 27 Feb 2019 12:21 #10

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Scientists naturally like to think they know everything, but the fact remains they've made many classic blunders over the years.
For example the thalidomide drug scandal of the 1960's made babies born badly deformed.
More recently the Apollo 13 astronauts nearly froze to death because not one of NASA's scientists thought to provide them with simple thermal blankets for an emergency costing a few bucks apiece.
Then there was the Titanic, somebody forgot to provide enough lifeboats, duh....
And next time we watch 'Saving Private Ryan', notice the guys had to go ashore at Omaha without any tanks because US High Command didn't think they needed them, duh again....
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How reliable is science? 29 Jul 2019 21:37 #11

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Scientists can shoot Men to the Moon :thumbup: :roll: :)

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