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TOPIC: Honorary Freemen of the City of London and Liveryman

Honorary Freemen of the City of London and Liveryman 05 Nov 2013 23:58 #1

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Stumbled across this stuff while reading about Alexander Downer
Sir Alexander Russell Downer KBE (7 April 1910 – 30 March 1981), Australian politician and diplomat generally known as Alec or Alick. Downer was a member of the Australian House of Representatives between 1949 and 1963 before serving as Australian High Commissioner to London between 1963 and 1972.

He was knighted in 1965, becoming Sir Alexander Downer.

He was made a Freeman of the City of London in 1965.

Freedom of the City of London

In England, the most extensive borough freedom is that conferred by the Freedom of the City of London, first recorded in 1237. This is closely tied to the role and status of the Livery Companies. From 1835, the freedom "without the intervention of a Livery Company" has been bestowed by a general resolution of Common Council, by 'redemption' (purchase), at one time for an onerous sum, but now for a donation to the Freemen's School.

New freemen are enrolled in a ceremony in Guildhall, when they receive a guide to conducting their lives in an honourable fashion and an impressive sealed certificate. Freemen's children get admission preference at the City of London Freemen's School.

More reading en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_the_City#Freedom_of_the_City_of_London


This is a list of some people who have been awarded Honorary Freedom (or Freedom Honoris Causa) of the City of London. This is different, and much rarer, than Freeman of the City of London who are members of a Worshipful Company. Freemen usually apply for the Freedom of the City (and about 1800 per year so do) and pay the requisite 'fine' for this, honorary members are invited by the Court of Common Council to receive, the Freedom. It is the highest honour which is in the power of the City of London to bestow on someone who is not a member of a Worshipful Company. However, for Freemen, the ultimate honour is to become a Liveryman.

More reading en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Honorary_Freemen_of_the_City_of_London


For Livery Companies in the City of London, a Liveryman is a full member of their respective Company.

Livery Company members fall into two basic categories: Freemen and Liverymen. One may join as a Freeman, and thereby acquire the "Freedom of the Company", upon fulfilling the Company's criteria. A traditional mode of entry is to be admitted by "patrimony", in the case of either parent being a member of the company, by "servitude" if one has served as an Apprentice in the trade for a requisite number of years, or by "Redemption" on induction and payment of a "fine". The Company may also admit eminent individuals as Honorary Freemen.

The term 'Livery' originated in the specific form of dress worn to retainers of a nobleman and then by extension to special dress to denote status of belonging to a trade. When a Freeman becomes a Liveryman the candidate is said to be 'enclothed', indeed a 'Livery Gown' is placed on them at the Court and they are seen at the next formal or social occasion wearing it. Thereafter only the Master, Wardens and Assistants in Companies are seen wearing these at Company events. The Masters wear them at the City's formal events, e.g. the two Common Halls and the United Guilds Service, and Lord Mayor's Show, wherever they may participate. Ordinarily Liverymen wear ties at formal functions and each Company differs by allowing women to wear distinct items subject to occasion, such as a scarf or brooch.

Freemen are expected to advance to become liverymen by a vote of the Court of the Company. Liverymen no longer have any local authority franchise in the City, but retain the exclusive right of voting in the election of the Lord Mayor of the City of London (Michaelmas 'Common Hall' 29 September) and for the Sheriffs (Mid-Summer 'Common Hall' 24 June) held in Guildhall as a ceremonial occasion. The votes are made by 'acclamation' subject to a challenge/demand from the floor for a ballot which would be held a week later. Any two Liverymen may nominate a candidate for the Freedom of the City.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liveryman

The Freedom of the City is an honour bestowed by a municipality upon a valued member of the community, or upon a visiting celebrity or dignitary. Arising from the medieval practice of granting respected citizens freedom from serfdom, the tradition still lives on in countries such as the United Kingdom, Republic of Ireland, Australia, and Canada – although today the title of "freeman" confers no special privileges.

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Honorary Freemen of the City of London and Liveryman 06 Nov 2013 00:38 #2

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Who, What, Why: Does freedom of the city allow you to graze sheep?



Will Britain's most successful Olympian be able to graze his cattle on The Mound in Edinburgh?

Or if the gold medal-winning cyclist decides to ditch his bike and attempt to park his car for free on George Street, will he be "exempt for tolls and charges in the city", as freemen of the past would have been?
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Honorary Freemen of the City of London and Liveryman 06 Nov 2013 00:46 #3

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See they say that stuff to turn it all into a bit of a joke but these people like their traditions so who knows.

Seems like a lot of things are based on corporate structures and some say that our actions when dealing with 'government' are actually corporate interactions so I find this topic interesting even though I know little about it.
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Honorary Freemen of the City of London and Liveryman 06 Nov 2013 01:03 #4

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This might interest you as well.....

Lord Mayor of London
Not to be confused with Mayor of London.
Lord Mayor of London
Incumbent
Roger Gifford [1]
since 2012
Residence Mansion House
Appointer Liverymen of the City of London Livery Companies
Term length 1 year
Inaugural holder Henry Fitz-Ailwin de Londonestone
Formation 1189
Website www.cityoflondon.gov.uk
The Right Honourable the Lord Mayor of London is the legal title for the Mayor of (and head of) the City of London Corporation. The Lord Mayor of London is to be distinguished from the Mayor of London; the former is an officer only of the City of London, while the Mayor of London is the Mayor of Greater London and as such governs a much larger area. Within the City of London, the Lord Mayor has precedence over other individuals and has various special powers, rights and privileges.
In 2006 the Corporation of London changed its name to the City of London Corporation. At the same time the title Lord Mayor of the City of London came into use, partly to avoid confusion with the Mayor of London. However, the legal and commonly used title remains the Lord Mayor of London.

The Lord Mayor is elected by Common Hall, all Liverymen of the City's Livery Companies. Common Hall is summoned by the sitting Lord Mayor; it meets at Guildhall on Michaelmas Day (29 September) or on the closest weekday. Voting is by show of hands; if, however, any liveryman so demands, balloting is held a fortnight later.

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Who or What is THE CROWN?
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Henk Ruyssenaars’ article on July 10th 2006 drew attention to the book “Descent into Slavery” by Des Griffin in which the real meaning of the term “City of London” is explained. The following is an excerpt from that article.

“To the majority of people the words “Crown” and “City” in reference to London refer to the queen or the capital of England.” This is not the truth. The “City” is in fact a privately owned Corporation – or Sovereign State – occupying an irregular rectangle of 677 acres and located right in the heart of the 610 square mile ‘Greater London’ area. The population of ‘The City’ is listed at just over four thousand, whereas the population of ‘Greater London’ (32 boroughs) is approximately seven and a half million.

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“The City”, which is often called “the wealthiest square mile on earth,” is ruled over by a Lord Mayor. Here are grouped together Britain’s great financial and commercial institutions: Wealthy banks, dominated by the privately-owned (Rothschild controlled) Bank of England, Lloyd’s of London, the London Stock Exchange, and the offices of most of the leading international trading concerns. Here, also, is located Fleet Street, the heart and core of the newspaper and publishing worlds.

There are some additional links at the beginning of the sourced article.

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Honorary Freemen of the City of London and Liveryman 06 Nov 2013 09:30 #6

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This saturday......9 November 2013



If you want to discover exactly what makes the City of London unique, the Lord Mayor's Show is a great opportunity as heritage and modernity come together one of the most exciting days in the City’s year.

Taking place on the second Saturday in November, the Lord Mayor’s Show is the largest unrehearsed pageant in the world. It brings together all the pomp and pageantry the City can muster. The origins of the Show date to 1215 (the year of Magna Carta) when King John gave the City a charter which stipulated that the new Lord Mayor must swear an oath of allegiance to the Sovereign and ‘show’ himself to the people.

A three mile long procession of music and movement, community and commerce, pageantry and paraphernalia, the Show represents the City in all its diversity.

A great, free day out, the Lord Mayor’s Show is a visual feast of floats from local and City businesses, ward clubs, livery companies, schools and community groups. They are joined by more than 2,000 soldiers, sailors, airmen and cadets, the mounted branch of the City of London Police Force and much more.

More than 6,500 people, 200 horses and 150 floats will be on display to welcome the new Lord Mayor and mark the beginning of a new year in style. Starting and finishing at Mansion House, the procession travels down Cheapside, round and past St Paul’s Cathedral to the Royal Courts of Justice before returning via Victoria Embankment, at Temple Avenue.

The Show formally begins at 11am, so come along and be a part of something really special on a day that’s anything but ordinary
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Honorary Freemen of the City of London and Liveryman 06 Nov 2013 09:40 #7

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Frog wrote:
Who or What is THE CROWN?
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Henk Ruyssenaars’ article on July 10th 2006 drew attention to the book “Descent into Slavery” by Des Griffin in which the real meaning of the term “City of London” is explained. The following is an excerpt from that article.

“To the majority of people the words “Crown” and “City” in reference to London refer to the queen or the capital of England.” This is not the truth. The “City” is in fact a privately owned Corporation – or Sovereign State – occupying an irregular rectangle of 677 acres and located right in the heart of the 610 square mile ‘Greater London’ area. The population of ‘The City’ is listed at just over four thousand, whereas the population of ‘Greater London’ (32 boroughs) is approximately seven and a half million.

...

“The City”, which is often called “the wealthiest square mile on earth,” is ruled over by a Lord Mayor. Here are grouped together Britain’s great financial and commercial institutions: Wealthy banks, dominated by the privately-owned (Rothschild controlled) Bank of England, Lloyd’s of London, the London Stock Exchange, and the offices of most of the leading international trading concerns. Here, also, is located Fleet Street, the heart and core of the newspaper and publishing worlds.

There are some additional links at the beginning of the sourced article.

openeye.99k.org/The%20Crown.html
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The Lord Mayor, who is elected for a one year stint, is the monarch in the City. As Aubrey Menen says in "London", Time-Life, 1976, p. 16:

"The relation of this monarch of the City to the monarch of the realm [Queen] is curious and tells much."

It certainly is and certainly does!

When the Queen of England goes to visit the City she is met by the Lord Mayor at Temple Bar, the symbolic gate of the City. She bows and asks for permission to enter his private, sovereign State. During such State visits

"the Lord Mayor in his robes and chain, and his entourage in medieval costume, outshines the royal party, which can dress up no further than service uniforms."

The Lord Mayor leads the queen into his city.

The symbolism is clear. The Lord Mayor is the monarch. The Queen is his subject.

The small clique who rule the City dictate to the British Parliament. It tells them what to do, and when. In theory Britain is ruled by a Prime Minister and a Cabinet of close advisers. These 'fronts' go to great lengths to create the impression that they are running the show but, in reality, they are mere puppets whose strings are pulled by the shadowy characters who dominate behind the scenes. As the former British Prime Minister of England during the late 1800s Benjamin D'Israeli wrote:

"So you see... the world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined by those who are not behind the scenes"

(Coningsby, The Century Co., N.Y., 1907, p. 233).

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Frog wrote:
‘Greater London’ (32 boroughs)

'Greater London' (32) plus 'The city' (1) equals 33 individual thingys. :hahano:
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novum wrote:
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‘Greater London’ (32 boroughs)

'Greater London' (32) plus 'The city' (1) equals 33 individual thingys. :hahano:

Good spot, although technically I think The City of London is an entity that stands in its own right in their eyes, and is an independent sovereign state, which exists out side the jurisdiction of Great Britain (or the UK whatever that is supposed to be).

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Frog wrote:
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‘Greater London’ (32 boroughs)

'Greater London' (32) plus 'The city' (1) equals 33 individual thingys. :hahano:

Good spot, although technically I think The City of London is an entity that stands in its own right in their eyes, and is an independent sovereign state, which exists out side the jurisdiction of Great Britain (or the UK whatever that is supposed to be).

Even having it's own Police Force....


The City of London Police (CoLP), also known simply as the City Police, is the territorial police force responsible for law enforcement within the City of London, including the Middle and Inner Temples. The force responsible for law enforcement within the remainder of Greater London, outside the City, is the Metropolitan Police Service, a separate organisation. The City of London, which is now primarily a financial centre with a small resident population but a large commuting workforce, is the historic core of London, and has an administrative history distinct from that of the rest of the metropolis, of which its separate police force is one manifestation.

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pheony wrote:
Frog wrote:
novum wrote:
Frog wrote:
‘Greater London’ (32 boroughs)

'Greater London' (32) plus 'The city' (1) equals 33 individual thingys. :hahano:

Good spot, although technically I think The City of London is an entity that stands in its own right in their eyes, and is an independent sovereign state, which exists out side the jurisdiction of Great Britain (or the UK whatever that is supposed to be).

Even having it's own Police Force....


The City of London Police (CoLP), also known simply as the City Police, is the territorial police force responsible for law enforcement within the City of London, including the Middle and Inner Temples. The force responsible for law enforcement within the remainder of Greater London, outside the City, is the Metropolitan Police Service, a separate organisation. The City of London, which is now primarily a financial centre with a small resident population but a large commuting workforce, is the historic core of London, and has an administrative history distinct from that of the rest of the metropolis, of which its separate police force is one manifestation.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_of_London_Police

Everything about the City of London Corporation is independent - the City Police apply the laws of the City of London. not the Laws of Great Britain. The companies/corporations within the Square Mile are not taxed like the business operating within the British Isles. The City also have an inside man in the house of commons. He is called the Remembrancer and sits behind the speakers chair to monitor the debate and protect the interests of the sovereign City state.

There's an annual protest against the existence of the independent London City State, which is held on the first Sunday after the 15th June http://remembrancersunday.org.uk/ .

Source: http://greenparty.org.uk/news/2013/04/29/green-party-calls-for-remembrancer-to-be-expelled-from-the-house-of-commons/
The Green Party has stepped up its campaign to end the undemocratic special privileges enjoyed by the City Of London, and through it Britain’s financial industries.

Green Party MP Caroline Lucas has written to the Speaker of the House of Commons, John Bercow, asking him to consider removing the City Remembrancer from the floor of the House of Commons, and to end the Remembrancer’s special privileges in viewing legislation as it is being drafted.

Green Party leader, Natalie Bennett, said: “The fact that the City Remembrancer is the only non-MP allowed on the floor of the House of Commons is an historical anachronism*. The presence of the City Remembrancer on the floor of the House of Commons, gives the Corporation of the City of London and, by association, the financial industries, what seems to amount to an undue and undemocratic level of access and representation. No other industry or body has such special access to Parliament.”

The House of Commons library has advised that the rules on access to the Chamber are not a matter of legislation, but under the control of the Speaker.

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The bank of England...
"The Bank of England, formally the Governor and Company of the Bank of England"

The "old lady of threadneedle street."

William Paterson founded it in 1694..."made his fortune with foreign trade (primarily with the West Indies) in the Merchant Taylors' Company"

King James Bible
"And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

Camels and Threadneedles
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novum wrote:
Frog wrote:
‘Greater London’ (32 boroughs)

'Greater London' (32) plus 'The city' (1) equals 33 individual thingys. :hahano:

In this moment when I read your comment:

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LORD MAYOR'S SHOW

I always admired the "Collar of SS" with Triskele, Portcullises and Tudor Rose
because of it's blatant symbolism




Painting by Hans Holbein, the Younger
The Lord Mayor's Collar of Esses may have once been used as the symbol of the office of Lord Chancellor by Sir Thomas More.

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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collar_of_Esses
de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amtskette#Lord_Mayor_of_London
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