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The Aether (By Special Request) 10 Apr 2015 19:48 #1

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Rising above the usual hubbub of the forum two intrepid posters have been duking it out on the science (so called) pages over the vexed question - Is there such a thing as a photon? If there is, I say we have never detected it, and if you want to know why, well for one thing I do not believe in massless particles, and for another thing I have read and re-read and completely understand and agree with the reasoning given by Andrew Ancel Gray in this discussion thread, first post is all you need....

www.scienceforums.com/topic/11645-7-reasons-to-abandon-quantum-mechanics-and-embrace-this-new-theory/

Now if we must abandon the photon, then we are left with a wave, and if light is a proper wave and not some magical waveparticle, then it must have a medium to travel in, just as sound needs air, in space no one can hear you scream etc, and that medium we will henceforth call the aether (to distinguish it from ether which is an organic solvent class).

Before Einstein the aether was a given, though the famous Michelson Morley experiment (aka MMX) had upset the 1900 applecart a bit when it tried to detect it, and found a result ten times smaller than expected. Later, since it suited the new breed of (mostly Jewish) physicists with their "relativity" notion, itself lifted (possibly stolen) from the equally fanciful notion of "length contraction" of Lorentz, it was decided that the MMX had produced a null result....

But had it?

To be continued....
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The Aether (By Special Request) 11 Apr 2015 12:08 #2

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There are four fundamental things we don't know about the aether and one or perhaps two that we do know.

The first thing we know is that electromagnetic radiation, regardless of frequency, travels through it. From what we can tell at the same constant rate too, sometimes rather inaccurately referred to as "the speed of light". This is analogous to sound, where all frequencies travel at the same speed through the air.

The speed of light is not constant, it seems matter slows it down, and now this IS dependent on frequency, hence the famous Pink Floyd album cover...



...featuring the (now hijacked by the LBGTXYZ crowd) colours of the rainbow. Blue is the most energetic light being highest frequency.

Newton, he was a pretty smart guy, and this was 300 years ago! (He also "discovered" gravity and invented calculus)



Yet if you think who is the most famous physicist now....

So

1) We know that electromagnetic radiation propagates thru the aether.

2) We appear to know that electromagnetic radiation propagates thru the aether in vacuo at the speed of light.

What we don't know (yet) is

1) The nature of the aether (is it particulate, continuous, crystalline, or what?)

2) How the aether interacts with atomic matter (if at all)

3) The scale of the smallest divisible unit of aether, if there is such a thing.

4) If there is life (or at least an organised intelligence) in the aether, as opposed to the material world

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The Aether (By Special Request) 11 Apr 2015 18:38 #3

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Ok one step at a time.

You cannot observe light directly unless

1) You are looking directly at the source, eg the Sun (not recommended)

2) You are looking at an object which reflects the light, or a part of it, or is excited into fluorescence. Light is invisible as it travels thru the aether, it only becomes apparent when it hits an object, or, as in the case of stars or the domestic light bulb, when you look directly back down the line of sight to the primary source. For example the Moon is reflecting sunlight, your retina is being excited by the reflected coming into your eye and the electrochemical signals generated by the retina provide the raw data from which the brain can create the image of the moon in your consciousness.

3) If you are seeing "coloured air" this must be a gaseous substance itself fluorescing, not a "cloud of light". Now whether this cloud is of matter, or something else, well..... It can also be an image implanted directly into the brain and not via the retina at all.... I found Scrumpy in large quantities had that effect on me :D
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The Aether (By Special Request) 11 Apr 2015 18:41 #4

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How to determine what is in this "aether soup" you ask...

Well, that's a long story, since we cannot see it directly with any of our Earthly instruments....

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The Aether (By Special Request) 11 Apr 2015 19:29 #5

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I had vinegar on my chips once
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The Aether (By Special Request) 11 Apr 2015 20:30 #6

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Depends if you think Seahouses is far out....
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The Aether (By Special Request) 11 Apr 2015 22:12 #7

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Actually violet is above blue, and ultraviolet is above violet. After uv we get into x rays, gamma rays ultragamma rays... and then... nothing. We cannot detect anything beyond what our detectors can measure, and our detectors are made from atoms....

But just because we cannot hear the dog whistle does not mean it is silent...
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The Aether (By Special Request) 26 Aug 2015 17:23 #8

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Tesla's Bifilar coil winding concept
opposing motions neutralizing the magnetic field force ....

:larf:

You know what Tesla used? Aether which drops gravity into a trashbin. There is no need of iron core inside Earth, sorry.



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The Aether (By Special Request) 28 Apr 2016 12:57 #9

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I see GAIA made a comment on a space travel thread I am not privy to posting on.

The comment was that replacing gravity with aether does not simplify the universe. Au contraire, it simplifies it a great deal, for it removes the impossible (action - at - distance with no connection) and the lie (warped space time) and replaces it with the easily understood concept of a medium. The medium may never be fully understood by those of us destined to wander in the realm of atoms molecules cells and Earth, since it appears it will be of too fine a structure for us to detect directly. All we can do is observe how things we CAN detect interact with it, eg light.

Gravity, given an aether, can be one of 2 things. Aether pressure, or an attractive mass-mass interaction along the medium. The attraction we do not know as yet what it could be, though looking at what is happening in QASARs and at the subatomic level might afford clues. Pressure on the other hand is easy to understand, but would introduce the problem of aether drag, meaning all motions are slowing down over time.

So there are problems with the aether hypothesis. But nothing as compared with the impossibility of the two main alternative theories, relativity and action at a distance (aka magic)
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The Aether (By Special Request) 13 May 2016 17:16 #10

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Here is one for rodin.

I postulate, that the aether has a property of information as a unit of creation, which is perhaps called consciousness.
Hence you see patterns in nature everywhere, through interaction with the field, which is where these little vortices come into play.
Cells are antennas, and DNS interacts with a certain wavelength.
Call it god. :chuckle:
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Who let you in? :D
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rodin wrote:
Who let you in? :D

I am just on quick visit here.
They let you out? :O :chuckle:
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'On the Edge of the Etheric' by Arthur Findlay.
Cracking free book here...
www.thegreatquestion.com/books/On_the_Edge_of_Etheric.pdf
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So this "idea" of yours

1) is it yours?

2) is it an idea, or something more....?
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rodin wrote:
So this "idea" of yours

1) is it yours?

2) is it an idea, or something more....?

1) Yes and no. It appears, some stuff comes up atm, from many people. As if somebody switches us on, and many research areas show synergy effects

2) it is more than idea, the wavelength is known, you will hate it, scalar waves, longitudinal waves, which have information modulated on top of it
its the true working of biology, organic molecules are all ring shaped --> antenna

It kills off Darwinism and other dead end street dogma.
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Amazingly enough, rodin does not even ask for the wavelength that interacts with DNA.
If you dislike the name scalar waves, call it tesla waves, same thing.
Its likely 3 types of longitudinal waves.

Answer, next visit eventually.
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Oracle wrote:
Here is one for rodin.

I postulate, that the aether has a property of information as a unit of creation, which is perhaps called consciousness.
Hence you see patterns in nature everywhere, through interaction with the field, which is where these little vortices come into play.
Cells are antennas, and DNA interacts with a certain wavelength.
Call it god. :chuckle:

Maybe they aint sun rays, but rather aether waves. :hahano: :ponda:

1365 = 1

1.1365 = 1,283,305,580,313,352
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All em rays are aether waves in the same way that the waves washing up on Bondi Beach are water waves...
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Oracle wrote:
Here is one for rodin.

I postulate, that the aether has a property of information as a unit of creation, which is perhaps called consciousness.
Hence you see patterns in nature everywhere, through interaction with the field, which is where these little vortices come into play.
Cells are antennas, and DNA interacts with a certain wavelength.
Call it god. :chuckle:

Maybe they aint sun rays, but rather aether waves. :hahano: :ponda:


You are perhaps getting it finally. :chuckle:

If the eye is the galactic core, the rays are the wave send out every ~5600 years.

Seriously, what I posted already has medical application to cure cancer.
Pretty good success, instead of poisoning the body and cutting out metastases, whereas the information of cancer, and dysfunctional cells is still in the body.
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