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MMA ( Mixed Martial Arts) 09 Jun 2016 17:19 #61

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You mentioned upthread that you did some sparring, flare - do you train to compete as a sportsman, or do you train for health+self-defence reasons?

I've always like MA's... when I was young I started with Judo, then went on Taekwondo, then Kickboxing and until a few years ago Krav Maga where also MMA-lessons were given.

Krav Maga is very overrated btw... it's got some good things, but most of it wouldn't work if needed.
I liked the MMA-lessons a bit more :)
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MMA ( Mixed Martial Arts) 09 Jun 2016 17:20 #62

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Being a world class olympic judoka doesn't make her a world class mma fighter. What you said just proves that styles make fights.

Keep trying to make this a silly points scoring contest, you bell-end. It's impossible to even have a mma discussion on here without yiou being a snarky, know-it-all twat.

I never said it did, I was just pointing out that she wasn't overrated, she is a world class fighter, her boxing destruction of Betch correra was devastating!!! if anything Holm was totally underrated.

Not being snarkey at all, well apart from pointing out that you know fuck all about it and it shows, it's ok Druid will be along soon to help you along :)

Saying that my posts show what you say they do is substance-lacking snark and just your opinion, like. I know you really fancy yourself around these internet parts, but you don't impress me with your bluster in the slightest.

ps. Holm wasn't underrated by anybody familiar with her boxing abilities and who had recognised Rousey's wide-openness to a decent counter.
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MMA ( Mixed Martial Arts) 09 Jun 2016 17:27 #63

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Flare wrote:
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You mentioned upthread that you did some sparring, flare - do you train to compete as a sportsman, or do you train for health+self-defence reasons?

I've always like MA's... when I was young I started with Judo, then went on Taekwondo, then Kickboxing and until a few years ago Krav Maga where also MMA-lessons were given.

Krav Maga is very overrated btw... it's got some good things, but most of it wouldn't work if needed.
I liked the MMA-lessons a bit more :)

You need to be competent in a full contact martial art in the first place to get the full benefits from any KM techniques. While being taught to thumb somebody in the eye might just get a KM-only practitioner out of a sticky situation, it's not going to help them against a person who has trained in a striking art and isn't allowing you to get that close.
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MMA ( Mixed Martial Arts) 09 Jun 2016 17:32 #64

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Let's say one puts up Mike Tyson (hardest hitting, best boxer ever imo) vs Fedor Emelianenko... well, Fedor would just take him to the ground and it's game-over for Tyson. Same goes other way around, a wrestler won't know how to throw a punch or kick, so in the standup he would lose easily.

Prime Mike Tyson is so fast that when Fedor goes for the take down he would get knocked the fuck out via uppercut.


:D Like if Fedor is slow.

Have you seen the his fight I linked agains Cro Cop which I put on page 1? (Best MMA fight ever...)

Check out the reflexes Fedor has there... absolutely incredible.

I guess first he will slow Tyson down a bit with a couple of lowkicks, then he will take him down and it will be ground and pound from there on, or a footlock, choke or armbar. :chuckle:
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MMA ( Mixed Martial Arts) 09 Jun 2016 17:37 #65

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[Mark Hunt is a beast.

He is but he has lost a shit load of fights, if brock gets him down he is toast as he will gas very quickly, although if hunt connects it's lights out for Lesnar, interesting fight.

Brock is also a beast remember, the Carwin fight was brilliant.

I hope Brock wins.


Brock is easily by far the greatest athlete in UFC / MMA history but he's a wrestler not a trained fighter.

He won the UFC championship without any real MMA training just on his athleticism alone.

That was untill he met "The Reem" ;)

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MMA ( Mixed Martial Arts) 09 Jun 2016 17:42 #66

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Saying that my posts show what you say they do is substance-lacking snark and just your opinion, like. I know you really fancy yourself around these internet parts, but you don't impress me with your bluster in the slightest.

ps. Holm wasn't underrated by anybody familiar with her boxing abilities and who had recognised Rousey's wide-openness to a decent counter.

I fancy myself??? I am not the one going around putting thirty year old photos of myself online hahah

Holm was underrated by most, everybody thought she would succumb to the Arm bar, hence the massive underdog on the betting cards.

9/1 against in a two horse race and she is a 19 time world champ, I was having some of that :)
It was always going to happen!!
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MMA ( Mixed Martial Arts) 09 Jun 2016 17:43 #67

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That was untill he met "The Reem" ;)


If Brock is explosive with his wrestling he has a chance, if he stands off he is fooked, with a capital F

(If they ever fight again, which is possible if things go the right way)
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MMA ( Mixed Martial Arts) 09 Jun 2016 17:50 #68

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Would you have preferred I posted a more recent pic, perhaps one that didn't make me look so intimidating, rather than that one of me with my salmon(not pink - I'm a manly man!)-coloured shirt and harmless smirk?

Yes, I heard you won backing Holm the first time. Good on you. Better in anyone's pockets than the bookie's.

ps. I've got to the stage where I don't believe anybody's going to fight another fighter until they are both in the octagon together.

pps. It's Javier(or Javvy) to his make-up artists.
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MMA ( Mixed Martial Arts) 09 Jun 2016 17:52 #69

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ragnarok wrote:
Would you have preferred I posted a more recent pic, perhaps one that didn't make me look so intimidating, rather than that one of me with my salmon(not pink - I'm a manly man!)-coloured shirt and harmless smirk?

Yes, I heard you won backing Holm the first time. Good on you. Better in anyone's pockets than the bookie's.

I would prefer you put Xavier back, i loved that film......
It was always going to happen!!
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MMA ( Mixed Martial Arts) 09 Jun 2016 17:54 #70

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That was untill he met "The Reem" ;)

Brock didn't test positive for steroids and 'Reem" did and had to pay for it via lawsuit. ;)
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MMA ( Mixed Martial Arts) 09 Jun 2016 17:56 #71

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Yes, I heard you won backing Holm the first time. Good on you. Better in anyone's pockets than the bookie's.

Smart pick, how much money did you win?

Holm family and trainers bet on her also going into the Ronda fight and won alot of money.
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MMA ( Mixed Martial Arts) 09 Jun 2016 17:58 #72

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I believe Brock almost discredited the entire UFC. Had he come in with his inexperience and dominated fighters far more experienced than himself, it'd have proved that brawn and athleticism defeated technique and skill level.
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MMA ( Mixed Martial Arts) 09 Jun 2016 18:06 #73

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ragnarok wrote:
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You mentioned upthread that you did some sparring, flare - do you train to compete as a sportsman, or do you train for health+self-defence reasons?

I've always like MA's... when I was young I started with Judo, then went on Taekwondo, then Kickboxing and until a few years ago Krav Maga where also MMA-lessons were given.

Krav Maga is very overrated btw... it's got some good things, but most of it wouldn't work if needed.
I liked the MMA-lessons a bit more :)

You need to be competent in a full contact martial art in the first place to get the full benefits from any KM techniques. While being taught to thumb somebody in the eye might just get a KM-only practitioner out of a sticky situation, it's not going to help them against a person who has trained in a striking art and isn't allowing you to get that close.

Well, I think so too. A lot of techniques in Krav Maga seem easy to pull off, but are actually quite difficult in a real fight.
Kick to the groin is very difficult to hit when someone comes at you on full-aggression. So one learns to kick to the groin
before the fight starts. :D (when the situation is threatening of course) Altho there are some good techniques to free oneself,
like a fish-hook, bite, eye-gauge... these techniques wouldn't have to end a fight. But one could end up doing some
bad damage and end jail for it. On the other hand, when stuff gets dangerous, anything goes ofc.

Lot of techniques for disarming won't work IRL. As there's a lot of practice for knife-disarming for example... but when its sparring with
a knife (a fake one of course), one would get stabbed like there's no tomorrow. :larf:

Altho KM lends a lot of MMA and surely has it's good aspects, it's a bit overrated and MMA definately is the better option.
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MMA ( Mixed Martial Arts) 09 Jun 2016 18:07 #74

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Yes, I heard you won backing Holm the first time. Good on you. Better in anyone's pockets than the bookie's.

Smart pick, how much money did you win?

Holm family and trainers bet on her also going into the Ronda fight and won alot of money.

Not too much, around 280 quid :)

Most I won on a boxing match was 1800 quid, I bet on Froch to beat Groves in the eighth of their second fight.
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MMA ( Mixed Martial Arts) 09 Jun 2016 18:10 #75

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I believe Brock almost discredited the entire UFC. Had he come in with his inexperience and dominated fighters far more experienced than himself, it'd have proved that brawn and athleticism defeated technique and skill level.

Well he is one of the most rare examples of human genetics and athleticism in the history of this planet.

Which is why he was the biggest draw in UFC history until Conor came along with his Irish shit talking. :D

And Brock was an NCAA championship wrestler which is no easy feat.



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Not too much, around 280 quid :)

Smart man to pick Holm beating Ronda.

Alot of money in Vegas changed hands on that fight.

Rousey loss costs MGM sportsbook big

www.bloodyelbow.com/2015/11/16/9745184/ufc-193-ronda-rousey-vs-holly-holm-sports-betting-bookie-mgm-loss-six-figures-mma-news

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MMA ( Mixed Martial Arts) 09 Jun 2016 18:45 #77

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Check this fight intro :D



@ 01:00 Buakaw comes on, playing some glorious Thai intro song.
@ 03:10 Lights go out, Dutch hardstyle track starts
@ 03:58 Buakaw holds ring, watches Holzken and be like 'O yes!' :D
@ 04:20 Buakaw bangs head to the bass
@ 04:30 Smiles because he likes the badass intro, likes his opponent and he's all up for the fight :D

Fight starts and Buakaw teaches Nieky what Muay Thai is all about. :chuckle:
(Holzken is not that bad tho, but everyone loses from the legendary Thai in that weight class ofc)

Here's the second part:

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MMA ( Mixed Martial Arts) 09 Jun 2016 19:04 #78

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I believe Brock almost discredited the entire UFC. Had he come in with his inexperience and dominated fighters far more experienced than himself, it'd have proved that brawn and athleticism defeated technique and skill level.

Well he is one of the most rare examples of human genetics and athleticism in the history of this planet.

Which is why he was the biggest draw in UFC history until Conor came along with his Irish shit talking. :D

And Brock was an NCAA championship wrestler which is no easy feat.




I don't agree... Brock is just brute force. Not very much athletic about that.

He basically storms his opponent like a pitbull, takes down, ground and pound and it's over.

The real athletics are Jon Jones and Anderson Silva imo... these guys got some awesome styles.
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MMA ( Mixed Martial Arts) 09 Jun 2016 19:07 #79

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Jones is like the upgraded, extra-large size version of Anderson Silva. Supremely confident and extremely capable. The way he manhandled Shogun was a sight to behold.
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"Tony Jaa and the knee factory"

(For if someone wants to see what 'kneeing' is all about :larf: )



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