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TOPIC: The swastika Symbolism, (non-racist topic)

The swastika Symbolism, (non-racist topic) 01 Apr 2014 16:07 #1

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Found this about the true meaning of it, thousands of years old,
Where the Nazis copied it, this and all their symbols.

What do you see besides a WWII symbol?

www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?t=481706


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The swatika Symbolism, (non-racist topic) 01 Apr 2014 17:17 #2

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It is not the symbols themselves that I find significant, but the way they are used. If you look across traditional eastern and for that matter western culture the symbols are not used as words, but are woven into the pattern of the whole image. If you think of a Buddhist or Hindu temple you don't tend to find a row of symbols or even single symbols sitting on their own. the symbols are used to resonate the whole structure. Traditional European art is just the same, it is not about a single intense form which dominates everything else. Think of Celtic art which is not about symbols at all but the weaving pattern itself or Gothic art which weaves symbols and representations into the general pattern.
The symbols might be the same shape now as the symbols that were traditionally used, but they are not woven into a pattern but stand alone and dominate.
That is the difference, that is why traditional symbols have taken on such a negative aspect, because they are not being used to enhance, but as a means of domination.

A thing to look at are white supremacist sites which will invariably talk about and hold in high esteem Viking and ancient German culture.
What do we see? Patterns of immense complexity with interwoven figures? No what you actually see are old symbols reduced down to a graphic intensity that hits you in the face and is meant to dominate, and crush every thing before it. Did the Ancient Germans, or Vikings ever produce an art like that? No, so we ask ourselves why if the ancestral roots are so important why have these people turned their backs on the styles of their ancestors?
The answer I have come to is that it is not their ancestry that is at all important to them, all there is, is a will to dominate, and they will use anything just fort that one tyrannical end, and they produce an art which is stiff, rigid and inhuman, just like they are themselves unable to see how people intermesh or the patterns which the ancients knew.
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The swatika Symbolism, (non-racist topic) 01 Apr 2014 17:25 #3

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No, I don't look in Supremacists sites.
We know what the Western world believes about it,

Here are swastikas of all cultures, Hitle's copy of it is a damnation , served no constructive purpose.


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The swatika Symbolism, (non-racist topic) 01 Apr 2014 17:33 #4

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Yes that is exactly what I am saying it is not just about the symbol it is about the setting. Put it in an inhuman stiff aggressive architecture, or on a graphically reduced field and that which resonates with life becomes very different.
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The swatika Symbolism, (non-racist topic) 01 Apr 2014 17:42 #5

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The swatika Symbolism, (non-racist topic) 01 Apr 2014 17:47 #6

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The swatika Symbolism, (non-racist topic) 01 Apr 2014 18:06 #7

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The swastika Symbolism, (non-racist topic) 01 Apr 2014 18:38 #8

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The swastika Symbolism, (non-racist topic) 01 Apr 2014 19:37 #9

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The swastika was used in Finland on some Kantele instuments as the soundboard hole... There's one of those in the national museum as far as I know. Also the Saami people have a symbol of four winds, which is made of four arrows which form a swastika in the center.... The symbol is so ancient and used by so many people.

And then nazis ruined it for everybody.
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The swastika Symbolism, (non-racist topic) 01 Apr 2014 19:59 #10

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Years ago when I went to India, I saw swastika in every wall, fInally knew Indians saw it as a holy symbol of Brahams Vishnu Shiva,
BRAHMA-God creator of all things; VISHNU-God preserver of Life; SHIVA-God of Death so we can be reborn. (INDIAN TRINITY)
some had no idea who Hitler was, after all they started using in a good way, centuries ago, having nothing to do with what the West understands


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The swastika Symbolism, (non-racist topic) 01 Apr 2014 20:12 #11

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Here you go, a swastika on a Kantele. The page didn't specify the age of this thing, but I've seen the same one in a book which said it's from 17th or 18th century if I remember correctly.
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The swastika Symbolism, (non-racist topic) 01 Apr 2014 20:17 #12

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Blue Swastika stands for infinite celestial virtues.
Red Swastika stands for infinite sacred virtues of the Heart of Buddha.
Yellow Swastika stands for infinite prosperity.
Green Swastika stands for infinite virtues of agriculture.

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The swastika Symbolism, (non-racist topic) 01 Apr 2014 21:35 #13

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It's not the only thing that mr Hitler hasmade unpopular.

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The swastika Symbolism, (non-racist topic) 01 Apr 2014 22:57 #14

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Here is another interesting article on this:


Nazi Swastika or
Ancient Symbol?
Time to Learn
the Difference

By Chirag Badlani

During a religious holiday of mine, my mother and I went to the store, Staples, to make color copies of a few Gods to give to our temple. On one of the pictures, there was a very religious Hindu symbol, resembling a Nazi swastika, yet the arms faced the opposite direction.



When we went on line to pay for the copies, the people behind us, not noticing the differentiation between the two signs, starting talking to each other, saying that my mother and I were Nazis. Quite appalled, my mother turned around and calmly explained to them that it was not a Nazi symbol, that the symbol first belonged to many different cultures before the Nazis adopted it. She explained the religious meaning and the people behind us said they were sorry and stated, "Oh, I never knew that."

I have realized that many people, not only in this country, but in the entire world, do not know about the meaning of the swastika and that it was not only the symbol of Nazi Germany.

The swastika is an equilateral cross with arms bent at right angles, all in the same direction, usually the right, or clockwise. The swastika is a symbol of prosperity and good fortune and is widely dispersed in both the ancient and modern world. It originally represented the revolving sun, fire, or life. The word swastika is derived from the Sanskrit swastika which means, "conducive to well- being". The swastika was widely utilized in ancient Mesopotamian coinage as well as appearing in early Christian and Byzantium art, where it was known as the gammadion cross. The swastika also appeared in South and Central America, widely used in Mayan art during that time period.

In North America, the swastika was a symbol used by the Navajos. The swastika still continues today to be an extensively used sign in Buddhism, Jainism, and Hinduism. In Buddhism, a swastika represents resignation. In Jainism, it delineates their seventh saint, and the four arms are also used to remind the worshiper of the four possible places of rebirth; the animal or plant world, in Hell, on Earth, or in the spirit world. To Hindus, the swastika with the arms bent to the left is called the sathio or sauvastika, which symbolizes night, magic, purity, and the destructive goddess Kali. In both Hinduism and Jainism, the swastika or sathio is used to mark the opening pages or their account books, thresholds, doors, and offerings.

The swastika was a symbol for the Aryan people, a name which, in Sanskrit means "noble". The Aryans were a group of people who settled in Iran and Northern India. They believed themselves to be a pure race, superior to the other surrounding cultures. When the Germans looked for a symbol, they looked for a symbol which represented the purity which they believed they contained. The Nazis regarded themselves as "Aryans" and tried to steal the accomplishments of these pre-historic people.

In Nazi Germany, the swastika with its arms turned clockwise became the national symbol. In 1910, a poet and nationalist Guido von List suggested that the swastika as a symbol for all anti-Semitic organizations. When the National Socialist Party was formed in 1919, it adopted the ancient symbol, the swastika, giving it the worst meaning possible, destroying the good symbolism which the swastika had held for thousands of years prior.

In 1935, the black swastika on a white circle with a crimson background became the national symbol of Germany. The major difference between the Nazi swastika and the ancient symbol of many different cultures, is that the Nazi swastika is at a slant, while the ancient swastika is rested flat.

Today, whenever the ancient symbol is used, it is automatically assumed by most people that it is a Nazi symbol and that the people who use it are Nazis. When the Nazis took the ancient symbol, they erased the good meaning of the swastika, the symbol of purity and of life. The racist people of today further degrade the meaning of the ancient symbol by spray painting the swastika on people houses, cars, and even schools.

In my eighth grade World of Difference class, we watched a video about a high school art student who painted the swastika and displayed it in his school's art gallery. We then had a debate on whether the painting should come down or not. Because most people are ignorant to the fact that the swastika was not only a Nazi symbol, symbolizing death and destruction, the class decided to take the painting down and in actuality, the boy was forced to take it down. This is a prime example of how the world delineates the swastika as a bad symbol, and how the Nazis destroyed the meaning of the symbol by adopting it as their own.

The swastika symbolizes so much more than what the Nazis planned. The swastika existed as a symbol of good fortune thousands of years before the Nazis even existed. The symbol is to many cultures an important one, representing their history and beliefs. The Nazis, by taking the swastika, annihilated the significance of the ancient symbol. Today, the swastika is to most people a symbol of evil, a symbol of demise, and a symbol of ruination. It is extremely depressing to find that although the swastika is a symbol of life, and symbol of joy, it has been made a symbol of evil, something the people of the ancient world never intended it to be.
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The swastika Symbolism, (non-racist topic) 01 Apr 2014 23:04 #15

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Silver Bars in a shop, in India.




Panaji, India





Hindu with Swastika guitar




Festival in India






Used to decorate books, as a good omen
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The swastika Symbolism, (non-racist topic) 02 Apr 2014 00:30 #16

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www.ancient-origins.net/myths-legends/symbol-swastika-and-its-12000-year-old-history-001312

See photos ^^^



6 FEBRUARY, 2014 - 11:45 JOHNBLACK
The symbol of the Swastika and its 12,000-year-old history

The swastika is a symbol used by of one of the most hated men on Earth, a symbol that represents the slaughter of millions of people and one of the most destructive wars on Earth. But Adolf Hitler was not the first to use this symbol. In fact, it was used as a powerful symbol thousands of years before him, across many cultures and continents.

For the Hindus and Buddhists in India and other Asian countries, the swastika was an important symbol for many thousands of years and, to this day, the symbol can still be seen in abundance - on temples, buses, taxis, and on the cover of books. It was also used in Ancient Greece and can be found in the remains of the ancient city of Troy, which existed 4,000 years ago. The ancient Druids and the Celts also used the symbol, reflected in many artefacts that have been discovered. It was used by Nordic tribes and even early Christians used the Swastika as one of their symbols, including the Teutonic Knights, a German medieval military order, which became a purely religious Catholic Order. But why is this symbol so important and why did Adolf Hitler decide to use it?

The word ‘swastika’ is a Sanskrit word (‘svasktika’) meaning ‘It is’, ‘Well Being’, ‘Good Existence, and ‘Good Luck’. However, it is also known by different names in different countries - like ‘Wan’ in China, ‘Manji’ in Japan, ‘Fylfot’ in England, ‘Hakenkreuz’ in Germany and ‘Tetraskelion’ or ‘Tetragammadion’ in Greece.

A Sanskrit scholar P. R. Sarkar in 1979 said that the deeper meaning of the word is ‘Permanent Victory’. He also said that as any symbol it can have positive and negative meaning depending on how it is drawn. So in Hinduism, the right-hand swastika is a symbol of the God Vishnu and the Sun, while the left-hand swastika is a symbol of Kali and Magic. The double meaning of symbols is common in ancient traditions, like for example the symbol of the pentagram (five pointed star), which is viewed as negative when pointing downwards, and positive when pointing upwards.

The earliest swastika ever found was uncovered in Mezine, Ukraine, carved on an ivory figurine, which dates an incredible 12,000 years, and one of the earliest cultures that are known to have used the Swastika was a Neolithic culture in Southern Europe, in the area that is now Serbia, Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, known as the Vinca Culture, which dates back around 8,000 years.

In Buddhism, the swastika is a symbol of good fortune, prosperity, abundance and eternity. It is directly related to Buddha and can be found carved on statues on the soles of his feet and on his heart. It is said that it contains Buddha’s mind.

On the walls of the Christian catacombs in Rome, the symbol of the Swastika appears next to the words “ZOTIKO ZOTIKO” which means “Life of Life”. It can also be found on the window openings of the mysterious Lalibela Rock churches of Ethiopia, and in various other churches around the world.


In Nordic Myths, Odin is represented passing through space as a whirling disk or swastika looking down through all worlds. In North America, the swastika was used by the Navajos. In Ancient Greece, Pythagoras used the Swastika under the name ‘Tetraktys’ and it was a symbol linking heaven and earth, with the right arm pointing to heaven and its left arm pointing to Earth.

It has been used by the Phoenicians as a symbol of the Sun and it was a sacred symbol used by the priestesses.

The swastika, the Phoenician sun symbol, on the Phoenician Craig-Narget stone in Scotland, and on the robe of a Phoenician high priestess. (Source)
How and why did so many diverse countries and cultures, across many eras, use the same symbol and apparently with the same meaning?
It is ironic, and unfortunate, that a symbol of life and eternity was used by the Nazis to exterminate, kill, enslave and destroy, creating in the minds of people a negative association with a symbol that was seen as sacred for thousands of years.

Featured Image: Ancient Roman Mosaics in Villa Romana La Olmeda (Wikipedia)

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BBC - The Story of the Swastika [HD] - YouTube


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In the week that Hindus celebrate the holy festival of Diwali, this documentary tells the story of ...
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The swastika Symbolism, (non-racist topic) 02 Apr 2014 04:34 #18

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Coca Cola Swastika 1925










In 1925 Coca Cola made a lucky watch fob in the shape of a swastika with the slogan, "Drink Coca Cola five cents in bottles." At that time, the Swastika was still a symbol of 'Good Luck'.

The watch fob is approximately 4cm x 4cm in size and is made of brass. Also see this article, "Why historians say Coke inveted Fanta to enliven Nazi soldiers," with photos at my daily nutrition, food, and health site at the Examiner.com. See the photo of the coca cola swastika watch fob at: the "USA- Coca Cola Swastika Lucky Watch Fob" site.


todayilearned.co.uk/2010/10/30/the-world-loved-swastika-before-the-war/








SOCIALIST SWASTIKA




Swastika in Russian Bolshevik Passport of the Red Army
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if anyone received a letter from Nepal with this Stamp, not knowing the true meaning of this symbol to Indians, would feel rejection surely.
We have been conditioned in the West to understand only WWII meaning. Stupid HItler.

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