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TOPIC: The ''Black Sun'' Or Schwarze Sonne Its Real Meaning And True Origin?

The ''Black Sun'' Or Schwarze Sonne Its Real Meaning And True Origin? 17 Apr 2016 23:15 #1

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This is basically a quick overview how I see it. After the collapse of National Socialist Germany in 1945 the use of the Swastika was outlawed and forbidden in Germany, as well as in some other Nations. The Schwarze Sonne then became one of the underground Symbols of post-war National Socialist beliefs and resistance. One could call it the symbol of ''Esoteric National Socialism'', which developed after the Second World War.

The Black Sun itself in this sense has little or nothing to do with some mythical or mystical order under Adolf Hitler's or Himmler's leadership. Speculation and rumour also persists along the lines that the SS was modelled on some mythical secret knights of the round table, or Arthurian Order, who gathered around the black sun in dark castles.

However, there is esoteric and mystical elements in the meaning of the Black Sun, but it's not a Dark Occult symbol, neither does it represent Saturn.

The Schwarze Sonne is an ancient symbol, and does indeed still hold many mysteries and secrets, but its use as a symbol of ''esoteric Hiterlerism'' is no secret. There is no Dark Occult ''Black Sun Society.'' That's all nonsense made up of silly rumours and heresay to smear spiritual National Socialists. Some people who are not National-Socialists also hijack NS symbolism, and use it to their own purposes. Like small contemporary groups that combine neo-fascism and Satanism.

As far as I know the only use of the "Black Sun" in National Socialist Germany is on the floor of Wewelsburg castle, simply because it's an ancient Germanic motif, which can be assigned to various different meanings, but its origins have nothing to do with any Saturn Death Cults.

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The ''Black Sun'' Or Schwarze Sonne Its Real Meaning And True Origin? 18 Apr 2016 10:59 #2

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This subject is quite complex and the amount of disinfo spread by those who must hide the truth
by all means for completely logical reasons is enormous.

There are surely some valuable contributions yet to be found on the "black bun society" and the
excerpt thread, which can no longer be quoted but copied and pasted, nonetheless.

For a start I would like to say that the following depiction comes very close to my personal understanding
of the true meaning: Thank you very much , Zorro, for making the effort to create this excellent model!



Source: truth-zone.net/forum/public-vent-room/66700-excerpt-of-black-sun-society-the-cult-of-saturn.html?start=220#164633
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The ''Black Sun'' Or Schwarze Sonne Its Real Meaning And True Origin? 18 Apr 2016 11:23 #3

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For a start I would like to say that the following depiction comes very close to my personal understanding of the true meaning:

Call it trolling if you want to avoid a serious answer that'll challenge your German to English translation abilities, but what does that even mean? What is so meaningful about the spinning Oreo cookie you have posted a pic of? If there is any truth to any of this Black Sun theorising, what effect will that have on the rest of the world if it becomes accepted? If it is so important to you, you should have little problem explaining its significance.
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The ''Black Sun'' Or Schwarze Sonne Its Real Meaning And True Origin? 18 Apr 2016 16:10 #4

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" After the collapse of National Socialist Germany in 1945 the use of the Swastika was outlawed and forbidden in Germany, as well as in some other Nations. The Schwarze Sonne then became one of the underground Symbols of post-war National Socialist beliefs and resistance."

Seems fair enough.
Logos are useful and if you guys could not use the Swastika then something else with Nazi overtones seems to have fitted the bill.
Is that Black Sun logo still used much?
Not seen it about but then I don't watch as many Nazi vids as you guys obviously do.
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The ''Black Sun'' Or Schwarze Sonne Its Real Meaning And True Origin? 18 Apr 2016 18:09 #5

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The Victory of the Light is Life's Salvation!

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The ''Black Sun'' Or Schwarze Sonne Its Real Meaning And True Origin? 18 Apr 2016 18:24 #6

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The Victory of the Light is Life's Salvation!

I thought you Germans valued precision in language? Wtf does that even mean? What is this Light that has secured a victory at something or other? What is this Life you speak of, and what is its salvation?
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The ''Black Sun'' Or Schwarze Sonne Its Real Meaning And True Origin? 18 Apr 2016 21:08 #7

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ragnarok wrote:
I thought you Germans valued precision in language? Wtf does that even mean? What is this Light that has secured a victory at something or other? What is this Life you speak of, and what is its salvation?


You may find the saw more precise in German: "Der Sieg des Lichtes ist des Lebens Heil!"
as my command of English, let alone Hebrew, does not meet your expectations and concept of "clarity".


Recommendation: Orwellian Clarity Zone

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The ''Black Sun'' Or Schwarze Sonne Its Real Meaning And True Origin? 19 Apr 2016 10:21 #8

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ragnarok wrote:
The Victory of the Light is Life's Salvation!

I thought you Germans valued precision in language? Wtf does that even mean? What is this Light that has secured a victory at something or other? What is this Life you speak of, and what is its salvation?

Better English would have it as....
"The victory of light is the life of salvation."
Thus
"The life of salvation is the victory of light."
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The ''Black Sun'' Or Schwarze Sonne Its Real Meaning And True Origin? 19 Apr 2016 10:27 #9

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Still just a word salad from where I'm sat. Surely that can't be the only way to say whatever it is they were trying to say? How does salvation have a life? Is the light that has had a victory not the same light that comes from the sun, say, or is it a code word for some other property?
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The ''Black Sun'' Or Schwarze Sonne Its Real Meaning And True Origin? 19 Apr 2016 10:41 #10

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GMP wrote:
Better English would have it as....
"The victory of light is the life of salvation."
Thus
"The life of salvation is the victory of light."


No.

These are misinterpretations, although it may sound better in the ears of English speaking persons.


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The ''Black Sun'' Or Schwarze Sonne Its Real Meaning And True Origin? 19 Apr 2016 11:02 #11

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I do no longer discuss disinfo and misinterpretations with anti-Germans.

"The truth must be repeated over and over again,
because error is repeatedly preached among us, not
only by individuals, but by the masses. In periodicals
and cyclopaedias, in schools and universities; every-
where, in fact, error prevails, and is quite easy in the
feeling that it has a decided majority on its side."

~ J. W. v. Goethe

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The ''Black Sun'' Or Schwarze Sonne Its Real Meaning And True Origin? 19 Apr 2016 11:20 #12

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GMP wrote:
My links were for general information.
Anyone interested in Nazi Sexuality and Mythos will be able to access those useful texts either in the English edition or the German original.
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There has already been thrown enough filth on the Germans and I don't think Zorro will tolerate typical disinfo and hate propaganda on this thread.

I definitely wouldn't.

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The ''Black Sun'' Or Schwarze Sonne Its Real Meaning And True Origin? 19 Apr 2016 12:57 #13

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Peeps, I don't mind it when others go off on different tangents in my threads, that's fine. I just take issue with it when I feel it's being done to derail or divert away from the main topic, or to purposefully flame, and/or to bait other members. Which isn't cool in my book.

This thread is about the ''Black Sun'', and not about ''Sexuality and German Fascism'' etc.

Being I'm also the host of this thread I've decided to move all non-topical posts into an excerpts thread which you'll find in the vent room.
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The ''Black Sun'' Or Schwarze Sonne Its Real Meaning And True Origin? 19 Apr 2016 13:23 #14

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Zorro wrote:
Peeps, I don't mind it when others go off on different tangents in my threads, that's fine. I just take issue with it when I feel it's being done to derail or divert away from the main topic, or to purposefully flame, and/or to bait other members. Which isn't cool in my book.

This thread is about the ''Black Sun'', and not about ''Sexuality and German Fascism'' etc.

Being I'm also the host of this thread I've decided to move all non-topical posts into an excerpts thread which you'll find in the vent room.

Well colour me 'surprised'.
Could you post us a link to where you have moved my posts please Zorro?
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You'll find the excerpts or posts I've moved in the vent room, GMP.
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Zorro wrote:
You'll find the excerpts or posts I've moved in the vent room, GMP.

No problem Zorro and my apologies to you for going off topic on here.
I have started a separate thread for Sexuality and German Fascism.
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The ''Black Sun'' Or Schwarze Sonne Its Real Meaning And True Origin? 16 Oct 2016 10:19 #17

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Zorro wrote:
Folkish Study Group - ancestral heritage, solar wheel, sun cross, tree of life, etc.

truth-zone.net/forum/pfizipfei-forum-general-discussion/66117-the-demonisation-of-nordic-celtic-germanic-paganism.html?start=40#198639

This video is perfectly working!


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www.jamestwining.com/learn-more/the-black-sun/the-black-sun
www.aoc.gov/capitol-buildings/crypt
www.manitoba-eh.ca/legislative-virtual-tour.htm

Compare the Wewelsburg Crypt with the crypt found in the U.S. Capitol. Natural light (through lightwells) vs. artificial light, swastika on the ceiling & fireplace on the floor vs. symbolic star. Also note the arranged 40 columns of the Capitol crypt whereas the castle Crypt only features 12 plinths.

Compare the Hall of the Supreme Leaders with the Pool of the Black Star. Natural light vs. artificial light, black sun vs. star of Ishtar.

Hitler, Sept. 6, 1938 -
"And it is because of this that our assembly halls are not bathed in the mystical twilight of cult sites but rather are places of brightness and light of a beautiful and practical nature."

Honestly, one can't really formulate an occultic interpretation of the castle, besides it's exterior design.
truth-zone.net/forum/secret-societies-and-powerful-families/64074-hitler-nazis-and-the-occult.html#233570



I thought it's a pity that the massive trolling and derailing almost killed this thread
for the truth on this subject needs to be researched, especially because the exuberant
lies and the distortion by the usual suspects are trying to smother free speech, as soon
as someone dares to make use of this basic human right..


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The ''Black Sun'' Or Schwarze Sonne Its Real Meaning And True Origin? 20 Oct 2016 11:17 #18

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I consider this wikipedia article, in my opinion, as a good interpretation of its real meaning:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandala_(political_model)
Maṇḍala is a Sanskrit word that means "circle". The mandala is a model for describing the patterns of diffuse political power distributed among Mueang or Kedatuan (principalities) in early Southeast Asian history, when local power was more important. The concept of a mandala counteracts modern tendencies to look for unified political power, i.e., the power of large kingdoms and nation states of later history
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IMPERAT - Christvs Sonnenrad (sun wheel)



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The ''Black Sun'' Or Schwarze Sonne Its Real Meaning And True Origin? 15 Mar 2017 21:52 #20

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Zorro wrote:
... it's an ancient Germanic motif, which can be assigned to various different meanings, but its origins have nothing to do with any Saturn Death Cults.

Is that the nonsense that weakkid was always going on about?
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