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High Rise Flats In The U.K. 30 Mar 2013 16:19 #1

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Where I live, in one particular suburb of the town, there are two blocks of high rise flats - set on the highest part of the town and so noticeable from anywhere you stand in the town that they are visible. They can also be seen clearly from many of the small villages way out in the Warwickshire Countryside. So visible are they that, while walking my dog out on the wide open spaces of the Campion Hills and Golf Course, I saw them so many times that I decided to use them as the setting for a story.

Then I went up to see them, to check them out for accuracy. 2 blocks of 15 story-dumps! :( (One, apparently, being worse than the other and having a "bad name").

But why should this be? If they can be seen from almost the whole of Warwickshire, the views from inside those flats must be spectacular. I've known rich people to spend vast sums on a place just "for the views" alone. And if you were to uproot either block of flats and set them down in Manhattan or Paris, the views and potential for secure living they'd give would be greatly sought after.

So why is it that in England, high rise flats are so often left to be "dumps"?
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High Rise Flats In The U.K. 30 Mar 2013 18:23 #2

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There is a 'stigma' attached to high-rise blocks of flats in the UK, perhaps a unique one, of poverty & decay.

I think this is because back in the 1960's, there was a trend of banging these blocks up in inner-city 'slum clearance' areas, and the job was done in a cheap rushed & shoddy way.

Concrete Jungles and all that...
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High Rise Flats In The U.K. 30 Mar 2013 21:15 #3

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Hulme, Manchester UK....the infamous 'crescents'....





Thankfully these monstrosities have now gone....replaced in the 1990's with decent housing. Hulme is still a problematic inner city area for sure, but nowhere near as bad as it was.
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High Rise Flats In The U.K. 30 Mar 2013 21:30 #4

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Yes, I can see how those huge runs of multi-story rat traps are nothing more than an eye-sore, DG, and never could be anything else.

But the types of high rise flats I am talking about are those stand-alone 15 story buildings. We have four in this town, the pair that stand almost side by side I mentioned above; and two other blocks that are separated by a couple of streets.

One of these blocks are considered "very nice". There is a grass area all around. The lifts are in good condition. There is a good mix of people. There has been some (not a huge amount, but enough) tarting up of the outsides to make them presentable. That's all it took to raise that particular block up to completely socially acceptable.

But the pair of high rises up on the highest part of this town.... if I bought them, I bet I could easily turn them into hungered-after properties the rich and richer would be interested in! A floor kept for an in-building shop, maybe a hairdressers, a laundrette, maybe even an in-house pub or community area, a caretaker's residence, etc. Decorative wrought iron railings around the outside... you know the kind of thing.

It wouldn't actually take much to make them presentable at minimum, desirable at best. Would it? Or do I kid myself. Is it only in areas the likes of Manhattan, Seattle, Saudi Arabia, Sydney and so forth that "high living" is appreciated?

Perhaps in the British psyche "High Rise Flats" will never have the same kudos as "skyscraper".
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High Rise Flats In The U.K. 30 Mar 2013 21:39 #5

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Here they are:

www.bing.com/images/search?q=eden+court%2c+lillington%2c+leamington+spa&id=EC804794EF3C571B55F56C6D411E8C42D0B16C18&FORM=IQFRBA#view=detail&id=EC80479...6C18&selectedIndex=0

Peculiarly, the one with the "ledge" over-running the top of it is considered to be somehow worse than the other.
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High Rise Flats In The U.K. 30 Mar 2013 21:44 #6

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Yep I get exactly where you are coming from Cantata.

Stockport (just a couple of miles down the road from Manchester...but culturally eons apart lol) are doing just that, as shown here...



Greater Manchester is a very strange place to be tbh....perhaps one has to be 'in it' in order to know this eh... :hahano:
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High Rise Flats In The U.K. 30 Mar 2013 21:54 #7

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I used to know someone from Stockport... and he was... a bit odd, really. But I can't judge the entire placve by him alone. :D

Ref: those two blocks of flats in the photos I linked - not only are they on the highest part of the town, but they are literally the last buildings in the town (apart from the one story garage blocks behind). So, after them.... falling away for miles and miles around in three directions is the most beautiful green countryside. And on the fourth side of the blocks, is a fabulous townscape of Leamington itself.

What's not to like? Anywhere else but the U.K., they would be sought after des-res's, with the prices going up the higher the flat was situated.

I think a bit of a mind-shift in the British psyche and a bit of touching up the buildings and such properties could be among the most sought after wherever they stand.
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High Rise Flats In The U.K. 30 Mar 2013 22:08 #8

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cantata wrote:
I used to know someone from Stockport... and he was... a bit odd, really. But I can't judge the entire placve by him alone. :D

Actually, you probably can... :D

Let me explain. Stockport, despite being 'just down the road', is completely different than Manchester.

Manchester (for all its other faults) is a cosmopolitan place....multi-cultural, multi-racial, modern, tolerant. Stockport just isn't...they are like 40 years behind.

On Stockport's estates, you won't see many non-white faces...racism is out there & in your face in Stockport, openly. Its the same in many of Manchester's other 'satellite towns'...Wigan for example.

Apologies to any tolerant & enlightened Stopfordians & Wiganers out there who might be reading.....but you know its the truth... ;)
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High Rise Flats In The U.K. 30 Mar 2013 22:19 #9

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:D

It is funny how a place can be so near and yet so different.

Here, we have Warwick... a town that now physically joins onto Leamington, but.... yeah.... no decent Leamingtonian has any time for it. :downb:
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High Rise Flats In The U.K. 30 Mar 2013 22:51 #10

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:D I had some nightmares in your neck of the woods when I was trade plating...

Wellingborough...yes, lovely countryside....but not when you're stuck walking around in it when its pissing down with rain. When will they invent decent public transport around those parts? :aargh:

& Leicestershire ain't so clever either. If I ever have to see Bruntingthorpe airfield again, I'll probably not be responsible for my actions. Jeez...only 20 miles away from the city of Leicester, and you might as well be stranded in the highlands of feckin Scotland... :rofl:
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High Rise Flats In The U.K. 30 Mar 2013 23:02 #11

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:D I had some nightmares in your neck of the woods when I was trade plating...

Wellingborough...yes, lovely countryside....but not when you're stuck walking around in it when its pissing down with rain. When will they invent decent public transport around those parts? :aargh:

& Leicestershire ain't so clever either. If I ever have to see Bruntingthorpe airfield again, I'll probably not be responsible for my actions. Jeez...only 20 miles away from the city of Leicester, and you might as well be stranded in the highlands of feckin Scotland... :rofl:

We wouldn't know. :coffee: We Leamingtonians are so well placed centrally that we can step outside our door into (one of a million) taxi or bus, down to the train station, and go anywhere in the world from here. :coffee:

Wellingborough and Leicestershire.... diffrint counties, nuffin to do with us here in Warwickshire. :D
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High Rise Flats In The U.K. 30 Mar 2013 23:09 #12

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Don't yo try & blag the blagman girl....you is a northamptonshire lass at heart.... :chuckle:
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High Rise Flats In The U.K. 30 Mar 2013 23:23 #13

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Don't yo try & blag the blagman girl....you is a northamptonshire lass at heart.... :chuckle:

True. I yearn to be back in it again. :(

And the very thing I loved about it was that I could be so isolated in it. I didn't love that bit so much when I was left with a baby and horse to look after, hardly any money and a ropey car.... You're right, then it's not such fun. No buses at all, if you call out a taxi they have to come from the nearest town (where I was that's 8 miles) so they charge for the out-journey too; and running out of milk meant a 4.7 mile drive to the nearest "corner shop" in the nearest village.

By myself, that hardly mattered at all. But with a baby... nightmare!

When I moved into one of the larger villages, my neighbour was a Carer for the Council - and she used to have to visit an old woman in another village whose own children lived far off (abroad, I think) and who was too old and too ill to drive. The woman had been allocated one hour's support a month. The rest of the time, in her big stone cottage, she had no visitors at all. That kind of isolation is used as torture in some places. :(

And we used to have the Jesus Loves You cult, or whatever it was called (Jesus Army?) in one of the villages thereabouts. One winter's night, one of the young men decided he wanted to leave but the leaders of the cult wouldn't give him any money. So he tried to walk. There was local outrage when he was found dead in a field having frozen to death. The Jesus Army was forced out of Farnborough shortly after that. :villagers: :villagers: :villagers: :villagers: :villagers: :villagers:

Aye, Northants is a bleak place for some. But I wuvved it. :beat: Until I, too, fell on Hard Times. :cryb: And, of course, once I'd had the child and she began to grow - it had to be back to the town. Socialisation, mixing, meeting, more choice. Hence I'm here. Again.
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High Rise Flats In The U.K. 30 Mar 2013 23:39 #14

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City or rural middle-of-no-where rural....I honestly don't know which is more isolated.

Actually I do....spiritually....there is no-where more isolated than a city in 2013 :(
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High Rise Flats In The U.K. 30 Mar 2013 23:44 #15

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Yes. Maybe. But at least in the city you have the option of going out and meeting people - some of whom will be like minded and fill something of the void.

In the countryside.... well, you'd better like horses! :D which I do, so I'm alright Jack! :D
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High Rise Flats In The U.K. 30 Mar 2013 23:52 #16

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I'll tell you something, though DG - I've always written, since I was a young child. And quite often, having lived out in many a middle of nowhere, I'd be sitting there at times scraping my empty head for a story, or characters. It was really hard work.

So, sometimes, I used to just hop on the train to London. I didn't even need to go out into the city, just sit on Paddington or victoria stations and watch - and within minutes my head would be buzzing with ideas, characters, sub-plots.

I was once watching a programme about this woman writer (not my sort of writer - she wrote Victorian romance stuff - love among the working classes and that sort of stuff) but she was one of the top of her genre. She was interviewed sitting out on the small metal balcony of her high rise flat in Peckham. So, finally, the interviewer got around to that and asked her how come, with all the money she'd made, she was still living in a place like that.

And she nodded for the camera to pan down... to the multiple old terraced streets and roads all around, and said, "I only have to look down and I get all the ideas I need here. I wouldn't get that in the Forest of Dean". And she's right.

Cities are created for the convenience of people and their lifestyles really. It's how you chose to use them, I suppose, couple with how much a person can afford to use them.

Farming communities suffer HUGE depression rates, and high numbers of suicides. T'ain't all rosy, the countryside. And with youngsters in tow, it can be hell for them. All they want is to be together and go out and about all the time. Egg collecting and leaf pressing doesn't cut it after a while. :D
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High Rise Flats In The U.K. 31 Mar 2013 00:14 #17

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Yep I get that life in the city has its advantages, social life-wise particularly...its all there, on your doorstep. My sis just rang me, saying ''why aren't you down the pub, its motown night and everyone's here?''

Well, normally I would have been, its a bank holiday weekend after all, and don't get me wrong, I love a good night out. BUT...its all getting a bit old for me now...not the local pub scene as such (just couldn't be arsed tonight tbh) but club life in manchester city centre is old...been there, done it.

Seen the film 24hr party people? Well that was me, back in the day. Now, rural tranquillity appeals....
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24 hr party people, full movie (ignore the dodgy subtitles).



This resonates with me, cos I was there....the Hacienda, the drugs, Madchester....all of it.... :emb: :D
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High Rise Flats In The U.K. 31 Mar 2013 00:29 #19

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Yep I get that life in the city has its advantages, social life-wise particularly...its all there, on your doorstep. My sis just rang me, saying ''why aren't you down the pub, its motown night and everyone's here?''

Well, normally I would have been, its a bank holiday weekend after all, and don't get me wrong, I love a good night out. BUT...its all getting a bit old for me now...not the local pub scene as such (just couldn't be arsed tonight tbh) but club life in manchester city centre is old...been there, done it.

Seen the film 24hr party people? Well that was me, back in the day. Now, rural tranquillity appeals....

Hahaha... you've turned into an Old Git, that's what it is! Git down the pub wiv your sis and mates. :mad:

Meanwhile, I will turn my face from the architecture of Britain and sit down with my bag of salted peanuts and can of decanted Foster's :D and catch an old "horror" movie... very old :D



This is YOUR future, if you don't keep the habit of getting out and about :O (Stuck in watching old movies, not what happens in the movie!).
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High Rise Flats In The U.K. 31 Mar 2013 00:37 #20

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Motown night. :D

My sister, Bless Her, has been stuck in Melbourne for almost 30 years now - hating it, but her husband and daughter love it, so she's a bit trapped unless she leaves them, which she won't do of course.

BUT she is the biggest ever, ever Motown Fan in the world, so, from where she is sitting you are the lucky one.

I guess it's all swings and roundabouts really. Someone is always the lucky one to us, but we're always the lucky one to someone else, almost no matter where or how we live.
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"The most beautiful people we have known are those who have known defeat, known suffering, known struggle, known loss, and have found their way out of the depths... Beautiful people do not just happen". (Elisabeth Kubler-Ross).


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