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Poll: US Foreign Policy is the sole cause of Terrorism

Agree No votes 0%
Disagree 4 100%
Total number of voters: 4 ( Seaic, PFIZIPFEI, i-baster, Ultimate Seeker ™ )
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Agree or Disagree 08 Jun 2013 23:14 #1

If you don't agree completely please state your differences:
Bin Laden and most militant Islamists [are] motivated by . . . their hatred for a few, specific US policies and actions they believe are damaging-and threatening to destroy-the things they love. Theirs is a war against a specific target and for specific, limited purposes. While they will use whatever weapon comes to hand-including weapons of mass destruction-their goal is not to wipe out our secular democracy, but to deter us by military means from attacking the things they love. Bin Laden et al are not eternal warriors; there is no evidence that they are fighting for fighting's sake, or that they would be lost for things to do without a war to wage. . . . To understand the perspective of the [tens or hundreds of millions of] supporters of Bin Laden, we must accept that there are many Muslims in the world who believe that US foreign policy is irretrievably biased in favor of Israel, trigger happy in attacking the poor and ill-defended Muslim countries, Sudan, Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, and so forth; rapacious in controlling and consuming the Islamic world's energy resources; blasphemous in allowing Israel to occupy Jerusalem and US troops to be based in Saudi Arabia; and hypocritical and cruel in its denial of Palestinian rights, use of economic sanctions against the Muslim people of Iraq, and support for the Muslim world's absolutist kings and dictators.
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Agree or Disagree 08 Jun 2013 23:21 #2

Source: veteran CIA analyst Michael Scheuer, former head of the Agency's al Qaeda task force.
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Agree or Disagree 09 Jun 2013 00:34 #3

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Bin Laden and most militant Islamists [are] motivated by . . .

Are?

He's dead afaik, so past tense should be the order of the day really...
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Agree or Disagree 09 Jun 2013 00:36 #4

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I think U.S. foreign policy does certainly contribute to unrest globally which in turn produces terrorists, in other words angry poor motivated people willing to kill and die for their cause, but there are other causes in my view. Terrorism is itself a broad term. It is not one thing that causes it in my opinion.
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Agree or Disagree 09 Jun 2013 00:38 #5

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I don't know enough about it to vote with any certainty, I'm afraid. I do know that militant Islamists detest our Western way of life and feel it is imposed on them and must be gotten rid of. Perhaps they so specific in their targeting of USA individuals, societies and organisations because they feel that America, in particular, leads an assault on their ways of life in their own countries?

I don't know really, I have to admit. It's much more complex than any one statement can ever describe.
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if he undaunted be....". (Beowulf).

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Agree or Disagree 09 Jun 2013 13:26 #6

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cantata wrote:
It's much more complex than any one statement can ever describe.

This.
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Agree or Disagree 09 Jun 2013 13:43 #7

Interesting quote:
Randolph Bourne, criticizing the New Republic liberals of his era for supporting America's entry into World War I, wondered whether
realism is always a stern and intelligent grappling with realities. May it not sometimes be a mere surrender to the actual, an abdication of the ideal through a sheer fatigue from intellectual suspense? . . . With how many of the acceptors of war has it been mostly a dread of intellectual suspense? It is a mistake to suppose that intellectuality makes for suspended judgments. The intellect craves certitude. It takes effort to keep it supple and pliable. In a time of danger and disaster we jump desperately for some dogma to cling to. The time comes, if we try to hold out, when our nerves are sick with fatigue, and we seize in a great healing wave of release some doctrine that can be immediately translated into action.

This was used in a critique and fairwell, a fairly disingenuous and disrespectful fairwell i might add, to Christopher Hitchens who was decidely pro-war, even taking the rarest stance known among public intellectuals, open support for GW Bush, by this self proclaimed anti-war Leftist:
evatt.org.au/papers/farewell-hitch.html

I can see why Hitch would be pro-War now, after all he was anti-War in Vietnam and the purgings of Communism in the near and far East when he was younger, that was a different enemy to the current one, I think what Hitch saw in our current enemy, is an atrophied, withered and ossified religious political system which shares a common root with the worst aspects of the Western Ideology Hitchens (during his prior anti-anti-communist war stance) opposed so strongly in the past.

To summarise, America fought Socialism across the entire globe and at home, and blew the shit out of loads of people, what we are up against now is an altogether more fanatical enemy, not just an "enemy" that wants to feed and cloth it's own population and limit the influence of Western Imperialism, an enemy that will set everyone trying to achieve that aim back a few hundred years, ie the Religion of Islam or any Religious Ideology.
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Agree or Disagree 09 Jun 2013 13:53 #8

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Chuck Random wrote:
cantata wrote:
It's much more complex than any one statement can ever describe.

This.

:yup:

Though i think Afghanistan is in part about Opium. But we are told anything but that. Unless its eddie griffin telling us of course.

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Agree or Disagree 19 Jun 2013 19:47 #9

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