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Belgium Introduces Death Penalty Without Trial for Minors, Or Euthanasia 01 Dec 2013 23:05 #1

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This hasn't even been in the news..... finding this article posted 28 November 2013 was simply a chance link. My initial reaction to reading this was anguish at the thought of a small child being put to death for being physically or mentally ill. It is incomprehensible that this can be happening after the events of the last century. This is how it begins.
The culture of death, which is bound to lead to the self-destruction of any society that adopts it, is making great strides in Europe. The latest development is that the Belgian Senate has voted in favour of a new bill that extends the legalisation of “euthanasia” to minors. There is no lower age limit, nor is it a requirement for the victims of those so-called “mercy-killings” to have asked for such “mercy”.

Instead, the basis for killing these children is the choice they hypothetically would make if they only understood their condition. In reality, however, they will be killed either at the request of their parents, or may be even (for example if the parents are unavailable, or if they unable or unwilling to make such a request) at the initiative of a public administrative body. In other words, this is a death penalty without trial, without criminal charges, without a right to defence.

The measure affects all who suffer from “incurable sicknesses”, including persons who are mentally handicapped.

This is exactly how the Holocaust started in Nazi Germany.

With this new law, Belgium has returned to the lack of civilization that prevailed at the dark ages when the country was not yet Christianised. Will it ever be able to recover from this incredible civilizational downfall?

(read more): www.lifenews.com/2013/11/28/belgium-introduces-death-penalty-without-trial-for-minora-or-euthanasia/
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Belgium Introduces Death Penalty Without Trial for Minors, Or Euthanasia 01 Dec 2013 23:31 #2

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I don't even know where to start with this :(

What is going on ffs. It needs to stop.
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Belgium Introduces Death Penalty Without Trial for Minors, Or Euthanasia 01 Dec 2013 23:31 #3

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And here we see why the argument against euthanasia is to be listened to.

Doctors and the authorities that back them (and there are many) must never be allowed to sanction the killing of human beings because they will never, ever stop pushing the boundaries.

Now, children are likely to be "put down". Isn't that just DIRE. The whole of Europe should rise up in arms to prevent this.

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Belgium Introduces Death Penalty Without Trial for Minors, Or Euthanasia 01 Dec 2013 23:38 #4

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diamondgeezer wrote:
I don't even know where to start with this :(

What is going on ffs. It needs to stop.

I feel the same.

Although I feel that a terminally I'll person (adult) should have the right to die when they want to. This is a completely different thing.
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Belgium Introduces Death Penalty Without Trial for Minors, Or Euthanasia 01 Dec 2013 23:49 #5

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pheony wrote:
diamondgeezer wrote:
I don't even know where to start with this :(

What is going on ffs. It needs to stop.

I feel the same.

Although I feel that a terminally I'll person (adult) should have the right to die when they want to. This is a completely different thing.

It isn't a different thing though, phe. sorry to sound contentious but that's true. People who want to die for whatever reason already have the right to do so (suicide has long since been legal) and if they really want to, they can take that course of action before they know it will be too late for them to do so. Having done so, little is likely to be done to "save" them as doctors already allow large numbers of people to die - if they have to starve them or leave them die of thirst, they will.

But, once we start sanctioning the killing of a human by another (even though the reason might seem noble and kind) it will be smeared outward to cover more and more situations and sorts of people. Disabled, old, and children (as already witnessed) will be left terribly vulnerable.

It's a form of "ethnic cleansing" - anyone who doesn't fit a certain profile can be gotten rid of. And it too often starts by persuading normal people that someone who is in pain (and not being given the correct level of palliative care) or whose quality of life is being impacted negatively because providers will not put in place the carers and equipment that would allow them to enjoy ALL of their days, that this person SHOULD be put down for mercy's sake and that all good-hearted, compassionate folk should agree to this.

But those one-off cases that go now and then to the Royal Courts to argue for someone to kill them when they finally nod permission (and I would like to know who/which organisation is funding them through such an expensive process) do NOT represent the "disabled and dying". Most disabled and dying people fight for treatment, care and better pain relief. It's often only when they are left without that that they want to leave everyone and everything they love.

But the law should protect the most vulnerable. And, supposedly, it already does.

This is a terrible development and really this information should be posted on every forum we know of - including FaceBook and the ilk. Anywhere. It has to be let out of its secret corner.
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Belgium Introduces Death Penalty Without Trial for Minors, Or Euthanasia 01 Dec 2013 23:52 #6

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It's made me feel really sick, actually.

On the same day I learned the world had lost a most wonderful man who never turned his nose up at any child.... I also learn this. Dear god, what happened to us all?

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ETA: I don't think I can come back into this thread, it's made me feel so sickened.
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Belgium Introduces Death Penalty Without Trial for Minors, Or Euthanasia 02 Dec 2013 00:13 #7

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People who want to die for whatever reason already have the right to do so (suicide has long since been legal)

Not in the UK they don't cantata. If someone who is very ill and chooses/wants to die, in a dignified way, well they have to go abroad for it, to Switzerland.

I believe in choice, always.
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Belgium Introduces Death Penalty Without Trial for Minors, Or Euthanasia 02 Dec 2013 00:16 #8

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@ cantata.... I disagree with certain points in your post and agree with others. I will leave it at that. :)
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Belgium Introduces Death Penalty Without Trial for Minors, Or Euthanasia 02 Dec 2013 01:03 #9

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It is seeming and just that this news should shock and sicken, because this IShow the Holocaust started, with euthanasia for the mentally ill, the infirm, the outcasts of society that were deemed to be a burden to the state and citizenry. Shock and deep hiurt was my first reaction, but my mind went blank when reaching the end of the article, just blank because the thought of murdering innocent children who are unwell through no fault of their own, is too inhumane to conceive.
"the basis for killing these children is the choice they hypothetically would make if they only understood their condition"
I have never read such a blatant justification to dismiss the sovereignty of another human being.

Cantata, you probably will not come back to this thread, and I well understand why, but I wanted to say to you that I am sorry that this upset you so much and I will try and get this to other media sources so that it can get coverage in a much broader sense. It needs to be out in the open.
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Belgium Introduces Death Penalty Without Trial for Minors, Or Euthanasia 02 Dec 2013 01:26 #10

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I have found more information about this. This gives an indication that this proposed legislation, which has been voted upon but not yet passed, is not as altruistic as some bill sponsors are implying.

Belgium: Senate Panel Approves Measure Allowing Doctors to Euthanize Children

www.lifenews.com/2013/11/27/belgium-senate-panel-approves-measure-allowing-doctors-to-euthanize-children/

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“Currently the Belgian euthanasia law limits euthanasia to people who are at least 18 years old. This unprecedented bill would extend euthanasia to children with disabilities,” says Alex Schadenberg of the Euthanasia Prevention Coalition. “The Belgian Socialist government is adamant that the euthanasia law needs to extend to minors and people with dementia even though there is significant examples of how the current law is being abused and the bracket creep of acceptable reasons for euthanasia continues to grow. The current practice of euthanasia in Belgium appears to have become an easy way to cover-up medical errors.”
According to Schadenberg:
The number of euthanasia deaths in Belgium is skyrocketing with an increase of 25% in 2012. Recent studies indicate that up to 47% of all assisted deaths are not being reported, 32% of all assisted deaths are being done without request and nurses are killing their patients, even though the law restricts euthanasia to doctors.
Some Belgian experts are supporting the extension of euthanasia to children with disabilities because they say that it is being done already. The same medical experts suggest that the extension of euthanasia will result in an increase of 10 to 100 euthanasia deaths each year.
The Belgian euthanasia law appears out-of-control. The Belgian Euthanasia Control and Evaluation Commission appear to be in a conflict of interest. The Commission supported the euthanasia deaths of: Nathan Verhelst (44) who was born as Nancy, Ann G who had Anorexia Nervosa and was sexually exploited by her psychiatrist, Mark & Eddy Verbessem, and at least one depressed woman. These are only the cases that we know about.
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Belgium Introduces Death Penalty Without Trial for Minors, Or Euthanasia 02 Dec 2013 05:05 #11

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cantata i understand what your saying...
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Belgium Introduces Death Penalty Without Trial for Minors, Or Euthanasia 02 Dec 2013 07:54 #12

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And I thought eugenics was a thing of early twentieth century.... Somebody must really like the idea of society "clean" from mentally of physically ill people. Cull the kids, they don't get on the streets to pollute the view that way. Yea right!

And some fuckers ACTUALLY got this sort of law through?? I can't understand it. Have Belgian people reacted in any way? They should be rioting and demanding government to step down and stop this madness.

World id fucked up place.
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Belgium Introduces Death Penalty Without Trial for Minors, Or Euthanasia 02 Dec 2013 11:47 #13

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I'd just like to point out that there is a complete difference between what Belgium is planning do to children with disabilities....enforced euthanasia....and that of the right that a terminally ill adult should be able to have to decide when and how to end their life as they choose, and in the manner they choose, legally.

Brompton Cocktail.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brompton_cocktail

From urban dictionary....
Brompton Cocktail
Popular in england. Mixture of Cocaine, Heroine,and alcohol given to cancer patients on their death bed.It was given to them to bring them alive for the last time.So their family could see them in a state of euphoria and not in so much pain.

^ That still happens a lot thankfully. And more....terminally ill patients are commonly given overdoses of opiates to end the agony and misery for them. Because thankfully, there are doctors out there with some humanity.

Its a basic human right to be able to choose to die in a dignified manner in my opinion, and it should be completely legal (and free) to be able to do so, everywhere.
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Belgium Introduces Death Penalty Without Trial for Minors, Or Euthanasia 02 Dec 2013 18:35 #14

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