TOPIC: What Is The Message Of The Biblical Character Known Of As 'Jesus'?

Jesus Christ!

Human, son of God, messiah, prophet, avatar .......... it is of NO relevance whether you are able to prove he existed or not.

It's the message that counts.

Did you get it?


Edit: Guess this sounded quite harsh so I will add

truth-zone.net/forum/anthropology/63491-satan.html?start=160#104380

Slavery

Luke 12:46-47
The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers. And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.

Luke 17:7-9
But which of you, having a servant plowing or feeding cattle, will say unto him by and by, when he is come from the field, Go and sit down to meat? And will not rather say unto him, Make ready wherewith I may sup, and gird thyself, and serve me, till I have eaten and drunken; and afterward thou shalt eat and drink? Doth he thank that servant because he did the things that were commanded him? I trow not.

1 Corinthians 7:21-22
Art thou called being a servant? care not for it: but if thou mayest be made free, use it rather. For he that is called in the Lord, being a servant, is the Lord's freeman: likewise also he that is called, being free, is Christ's servant.

Ephesians 6:5
Servants, obey in all things your masters according to the flesh; not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but in singleness of heart, fearing God.

Colossians 3:22
Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ.

Colossians 4:1
Masters, give unto your servants that which is just and equal; knowing that ye also have a Master in heaven.

1 Timothy 6:1-5
Let as many servants as are under the yoke count their masters worthy of all honor, that the name of God and his doctrine be not blasphemed. And they that have believing masters, let them not despise them, because they are brethren; but rather do them service, because they are faithful and beloved, partakers of the benefit. These things teach and exhort. If any man teach otherwise ... he is proud, knowing nothing.... From such withdraw thyself.

Titus 2:9-10
Servants, obey in all things your masters according to the flesh; not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but in singleness of heart, fearing God.

1 Peter 2:18
Servants, be subject to your masters with all fear, not only to the good and gentle, but also to the froward.

Peaceful

Matthew 10:34
Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

Luke 12:51
Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division: For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three. The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

Luke 22:36
He that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

Revelation 19:11
And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

1 Timothy 2:11-13

11 Let a woman learn in silence with all submission.
12 And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve.

Tischendorf during his investigation in Petersburg enumerated 14,800 corrections only in the portion which was held in Petersburg (2/3 of the codex).[59] According to David C. Parker the full codex has about 23,000 corrections.[60]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codex_Sinaiticus

How will you be able to get the message
if you are unable to distinguish between
his word and that of the deceivers
who mixed it with theirs
to suit their own agenda!

PFIZIPFEI wrote:
How do we discern the two?

How will you be able to get the message
if you are unable to distinguish between
his word and that of the deceivers
who mixed it with theirs
to suit their own agenda!

THE GOLDEN RULE

The Golden Rule or the ethic of reciprocity is found in the scriptures of nearly every religion. It is often regarded as the most concise and general principle of ethics. It is a condensation in one principle of all longer lists of ordinances such as the Decalogue. See also texts on Loving Kindness, pp. 967-73.

You shall love your neighbor as yourself.

1. Judaism and Christianity. Bible, Leviticus 19.18

Whatever you wish that men would do to you, do so to them.

2. Christianity. Bible, Matthew 7.12

Not one of you is a believer until he loves for his brother what he loves for himself.

3. Islam. Forty Hadith of an-Nawawi 13

A man should wander about treating all creatures as he himself would be treated.

4. Jainism. Sutrakritanga 1.11.33

Try your best to treat others as you would wish to be treated yourself, and you will find that this is the shortest way to benevolence.

5. Confucianism. Mencius VII.A.4

One should not behave towards others in a way which is disagreeable to oneself. This is the essence of morality. All other activities are due to selfish desire.

6. Hinduism. Mahabharata, Anusasana Parva 113.8

Tsekung asked, "Is there one word that can serve as a principle of conduct for life?" Confucius replied, "It is the word shu--reciprocity: Do not do to others what you do not want them to do to you."

7. Confucianism. Analects 15.23

Leviticus 19.18: Quoted by Jesus in Matthew 22.36-40 (below). Mencius VII.A.4 and Analects 15.23: Cf. Analects 6.28.2, p. 975.

Comparing oneself to others in such terms as "Just as I am so are they, just as they are so am I," he should neither kill nor cause others to kill.

8. Buddhism. Sutta Nipata 705

One going to take a pointed stick to pinch a baby bird should first try it on himself to feel how it hurts.

9. African Traditional Religions. Yoruba Proverb (Nigeria)

One who you think should be hit is none else but you. One who you think should be governed is none else but you. One who you think should be tortured is none else but you. One who you think should be enslaved is none else but you. One who you think should be killed is none else but you. A sage is ingenuous and leads his life after comprehending the parity of the killed and the killer. Therefore, neither does he cause violence to others nor does he make others do so.

10. Jainism. Acarangasutra 5.101-2

The Ariyan disciple thus reflects, Here am I, fond of my life, not wanting to die, fond of pleasure and averse from pain. Suppose someone should rob me of my life... it would not be a thing pleasing and delightful to me. If I, in my turn, should rob of his life one fond of his life, not wanting to die, one fond of pleasure and averse from pain, it would not be a thing pleasing or delightful to him. For a state that is not pleasant or delightful to me must also be to him also; and a state that is not pleasing or delightful to me, how could I inflict that upon another?

As a result of such reflection he himself abstains from taking the life of creatures and he encourages others so to abstain, and speaks in praise of so abstaining.

11. Buddhism. Samyutta Nikaya v.353

A certain heathen came to Shammai and said to him, "Make me a proselyte, on condition that you teach me the whole Torah while I stand on one foot." Thereupon he repulsed him with the rod which was in his hand. When he went to Hillel, he said to him, "What is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor: that is the whole Torah; all the rest of it is commentary; go and learn."

12. Judaism. Talmud, Shabbat 31a

Sutta Nipata 705: Cf. Dhammapada 129-130, p. 478. Acarangasutra 5.101-2: Cf. Dhammapada 129-130, p. 478. Samyutta Nikaya v.353: The passage gives a similar reflection about abstaining from other types of immoral behavior: theft, adultery, etc. To identify oneself with others is also a corollary to the Mahayana insight that all reality is interdependent and mutually related; cf. Guide to a Bodhisattva's Way of Life 8.112-16, p. 181; Majjhima Nikaya i.415, p. 465.

"Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?" Jesus said to him, "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is the great and first commandment. And a second is like it, You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments depend all the law and the prophets."

13. Christianity. Bible, Matthew 22.36-40

Matthew 22.36-40: Cf. Deuteronomy 6.4-9, p. 55; Leviticus 19.18, p. 173; Luke 10.25-37, p. 971; Galatians 6.2, p. 974; Brihadaranyaka Upanishad 5.2.2, p. 972; Sun Myung Moon, 9-30-79, p. 150.

www.unification.net/ws/theme015.htm

You've quoted passages from the Bible without context and let them stand alone, inan attempt to deceive. ...

Seaic wrote:
G'day Seaic.

Context?

Do you mean that the bible is a group of mythological tales cobbled together to hide information from the masses by having them believe in the mythological characters in the bible narrative as if they were real and the tales about them are real, all the while not recognising the hidden information?

That context?

In the context that each passage is meant to be taken. It's useless to try and dissect things without understanding the context of the quote.

And they're not bad mythological tales are they? They're the building block of the greatest civilisation Earth has ever known

I AM ALL I AM wrote:
In the context that each passage is meant to be taken. It's useless to try and dissect things without understanding the context of the quote.

And they're not bad mythological tales are they? They're the building block of the greatest civilisation Earth has ever known

When the bible doesn't make sense call the passage a "parable" (fictitious religious story), or allegory (symbolic fictional characters and actions), metaphor (word or phrase used to suggest likeness or allegory), or the infamous "out of context" or "you are misinterpreting".

Those who are willing to claim such things to "defend scripture" seem to convey that they KNOW which parts of the bible are literally true and which are not -- but cannot identify a means to make that distinction on other than personal opinion basis.

For instance, can anyone show that the tale of "resurrection" is NOT a parable or other form of fiction? What about "virgin birth", "walking on water", "storms calming on command", etc -- are those "parables" (fiction)?
debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=375133#375133

wolfy wrote:

If you are able to realise
that there is GOOD and BAD
then it will be easy for you
to discern.

Seaic wrote:
I did hear somewhere that the tales caused quite a bit of trouble over the years.
Not sure where I heard that though.

PFIZIPFEI wrote:
G'day PFIZIPFEI.

"GOOD and BAD" are paired opposites, and when paired opposites define your beliefs, your beliefs will imprison you.

Such dualistic thinking shows an indoctrinated mindset.

On top of that, you still haven't presented what this apparent all inspiring message is supposed to be. Is that because you don't know it yourself?

@ I AM ALL I AM & Wolfy

You are denying duality in 3D.
You are mixing 3D with the multiverse.
Here you too are subjected to 3D rules.
Of course you can try to escape them by imagination,
but in most cases the bullets won't drop down
by the mere sign of your hand.


This is what the dark side wants you to believe:

We are all one.
Everybody is equal.
There is no good and bad,
no darkness and no light,
no God and no satan.
Duality is an illusion!

And you are falling for the deception,
which means you choose to ignore 3D reality.
And as long as you are doing this, your energies feed the dark side.
I can hear them laughing when I read your comments.